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Motherboard: RDR2 Players Are Excited to Attack and Kill Feminists in the Game [update: re-instated]

Blackbird

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FairyEmpire said:
Of course. Imagine being so insecure about your identity that you need to go out of your way to torture feminist AIs inside of a game.
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Avis said:
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More of his videos BTW

Glad this shit got taken down, it was clogging my recommends for some godawful reason
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sibarraz said:
Thanks Youtube, imagine how fucked up society will be without this kind of content

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When people will realize they're putting so much effort into normalize hate speech and direct attacks towards a specific group of individuals?

The more i think about it, i guess society just accepted it. This so fucked up.
 
excelsiorlef

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aevanhoe said:
But you're generalising and acting like the solution here is to attack gaming itself - not the individuals/specific groups/organizations that act misogynistic or fail to act against misogyny.
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Meanwhile all you've done is ignore what I've been saying and attack me, calling me prejudiced, bitter, dangerous, a parallel to a racist or xenophobe, all because I say gaming has a misogyny problem

I said I don't feel welcome in gaming and you basically ask me what I'm doing here then, I say I don't feel welcome in gaming in a thread about yet another example of the rampant, tolerated and outright encouraged misogyny and anti-feminism in gaming, and you go um excuse me not all gaming, stop being prejudice.

You don't give two shits about what's going on around you, you just care that somewhere a "some" might have been missing from my post.

You want to pretend this isn't a prevalent issue so you hyper focus on those not being precise enough to your liking.

Like it kinda sucks that endorsed and enabled misogyny in gaming bothers you so little that you're more concerned with painting me as bitter, dangerous,and prejudice, and comparing my words to xenophobia because I say gaming has a misogyny problem
 
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spineduke

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aevanhoe said:
Because gaming itself is not the problem, misogyny is. Gaming companies have a responsibility to fight it. We all do. And companies need to be pushed to do better. But you're generalising and acting like the solution here is to attack gaming itself - not the individuals/specific groups/organizations that act misogynistic or fail to act against misogyny.
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It's prevalent - so I'm not sure what your point is to be specific when someone says the majority of gamers have a misogyny problem. The majority of companies do not push back on this, the majority of online forums and video hosting sites do not do enough. The majority has a problem.

also, highlighting this isn't a solution, its a call to be more aware of the depth and scale of this issue. Real solutions involve platforms like Youtube and Reddit actually actioning on their TOS.
 
excelsiorlef

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Batatina

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If I stop and think about the fact that these people exist in the world, I'm just crushed by a deep sadness. This is all kinds of depressing and shocking even.
 
Vela

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Batatina said:
If I stop and think about the fact that these people exist in the world, I'm just crushed by a deep sadness. This is all kinds of depressing and shocking even.
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Then be overwhelmed by sadness that "these people" are everywhere in the gaming community. You cannot find a gaming forum or social media space where this fascist ideology aren't present. Their vile bigotry and hatred have become so ingrained and endemic to gaming culture that we now stand at the precipice that Rosa Luxemburg already predicted in her Junius Pamphlet in 1916. By-standers & enablers like Youtube and the gaming press cannot be neutral or silent.
 
Batatina

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Vela said:
Then be overwhelmed by sadness that "these people" are everywhere in the gaming community. You cannot find a gaming forum or social media space where this fascist ideology aren't present. Their vile bigotry and hatred have become so ingrained and endemic to gaming culture that we now stand at the precipice that Rosa Luxemburg already predicted in her Junius Pamphlet in 1916. By-standers & enablers like Youtube and the gaming press cannot be neutral or silent.
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I am guilty of greatly filtering the parts of the internet I access, to the benefit of my anxiety. I do not frequent any space where "these people" can be found, and therefore am still surprised at their prevalence. Rest assured that I do vote, and whenever meaningful action can be done to stop thisI will participate.
 
GameShrink

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There are tons of videos on YT glorifying and celebrating feminists being demeaned and assaulted, at least no real women were hurt by Shirrako's idiocy.

Sad that he got his platform back though.
 
Trice

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The question is does it break Youtube's rules?

Seems not if they gave him the acc back, but then why ban him? I mean make up your mind Youtube
 
Trup1aya

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Man, I looking at these videos further I can't help but feel that this particular character interaction was designed to incite this kind of behavior from these kinds of people.

The initial instinct is to commend Rockstar for their attention to detail and authenticity for including suffragettes in the first place. But Immediately it becomes clear this is less an authentic take on feminism from that period and more like a caricature of a feminist drawn by a member of the alt-right.

I know it would be unwise to expect deeper commentary from Rockstar here, especially when the character wouldn't get much attention in a normal playthrough, but surely they could have given her better talking points than 'men are unfit'

When I saw that the player could initiate a dialog, I thought there was a chance at an interesting conversation: On one side a woman who wants laws to change for the betterment of all society - on the on otherside, man who sees it fit to live outside of the law. Instead, the convo seemed purposely designed to throw man-babies into a tantrum and perpetuate the idea that activism is an annoyance.
 
SurrenderDorothy

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Trup1aya said:
Man, I looking at these videos further I can't help but feel that this particular character interaction was designed to incite this kind of behavior from these kinds of people.

The initial instinct is to commend Rockstar for their attention to detail and authenticity for including suffragettes in the first place. But Immediately it becomes clear this is less an authentic take on feminism from that period and more like a caricature of a feminist drawn by a member of the alt-right.

I know it would be unwise to expect deeper commentary from Rockstar here, especially when the character wouldn't get much attention in a normal playthrough, but surely they could have given her better talking points than 'men are unfit'

When I saw that the player could initiate a dialog, I thought there was a chance at an interesting conversation: On one side a woman who wants laws to change for the betterment of all society - on the on otherside, man who sees it fit to live outside of the law. Instead, the convo seemed purposely designed to throw man-babies into a tantrum and perpetuate the idea that activism is an annoyance.
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I doubt that it was specifically designed to incite this behaviour,. She's out there protesting as she should. Or..would've back then.
I thought it was accurate, though maybe I'm being a little ignorant. The suffragettes in the game don't end with that particular NPC, there's a whole mission about it. The reactions from the men in-game were accurate then as well.
Shit, the fact that you have pricks like Shirrako reacting this way, in spite of the game showing that thought process in a negative light proves it.
 
Swauny Jones

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SurrenderDorothy said:
I doubt that it was specifically designed to incite this behaviour,. She's out there protesting as she should. Or..would've back then.
I thought it was accurate, though maybe I'm being a little ignorant. The suffragettes in the game don't end with that particular NPC, there's a whole mission about it. The reactions from the men in-game were accurate then as well.
Shit, the fact that you have pricks like Shirrako reacting this way, in spite of the game showing that thought process in a negative light proves it.
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Agreed. I see it as such as well.
 
StarBot

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MotionBlue said:
This controversy is dumb, and the blatant sexism against men in this thread is awful.
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You can't be sexist towards guys

You can be assholes to us, you can be mean to us

But you can never be sexists towards us, due to how much privilege and hold we have

No disrespect, but this #NotAllMen stuff, it's helping anyone
 
Trup1aya

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SurrenderDorothy said:
I doubt that it was specifically designed to incite this behaviour,. She's out there protesting as she should. Or..would've back then.
I thought it was accurate, though maybe I'm being a little ignorant. The suffragettes in the game don't end with that particular NPC, there's a whole mission about it. The reactions from the men in-game were accurate then as well.
Shit, the fact that you have pricks like Shirrako reacting this way, in spite of the game showing that thought process in a negative light proves it.
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I disagree..

Some of her talking points

"once women get elected... There'll be no more stupidity"
"men are such judgmental pricks, you need women to straighten you out"

This is the type of dialog alt-righter fabricate when they are playing the victim card.

And of course your right, pricks are gonna be pricks. And any Rockstar game is going to attract its fair share of assholes. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have used this setting to present something more valuable.
 
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Trup1aya said:
Man, I looking at these videos further I can't help but feel that this particular character interaction was designed to incite this kind of behavior from these kinds of people.
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You literally are punished for attacking this npc. Note, there are specific npcs that the game is ok with you killing, specifically the KKK and even a racist on the street.
 
Jakartalado

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I recently saw Shirako posts after the mess he has caused.

His videos are only possible because the game allow him to play that way, and I'm not mad because of that. That's the counter part of giving freedom to anyone, they can be utterly stupid because he is free to do so.

My problem is the comments. Shirako's comments are far beyond racist and facist. On my country (Brazil) this is a federal crime (his allegations and speeches). The question is... to which rule YouTube obey?

Apparently.... only the rule of money and privileges.
 
BernardoOne

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This would be the perfect time for Kim Sterling to come out with a video shitting on YouTube for the unbanning.

But he won't.
 
1.21Gigawatts

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I cant wrap my head around how people are defending him...

If there was a charicature on a jewish person in the game and someone would upload half a dozen videos killing "the annoying jew" in the most gruesome ways imaginable, do you think people would see something wrong with that?
 
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vestan

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Trup1aya said:
Wanted level isn't a punishment. Players enjoy fighting, and wanted levels bring more of that.
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The game gives you negative honor for killing innocents while you gain none for killing KKK and literal eugenics advocates. In fact that law doesn't do shit if you decide to murder them wholesale right in front of them. They'll just move along. As it should be.

 
jett

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Trup1aya said:
Man, I looking at these videos further I can't help but feel that this particular character interaction was designed to incite this kind of behavior from these kinds of people.

The initial instinct is to commend Rockstar for their attention to detail and authenticity for including suffragettes in the first place. But Immediately it becomes clear this is less an authentic take on feminism from that period and more like a caricature of a feminist drawn by a member of the alt-right.

I know it would be unwise to expect deeper commentary from Rockstar here, especially when the character wouldn't get much attention in a normal playthrough, but surely they could have given her better talking points than 'men are unfit'

When I saw that the player could initiate a dialog, I thought there was a chance at an interesting conversation: On one side a woman who wants laws to change for the betterment of all society - on the on otherside, man who sees it fit to live outside of the law. Instead, the convo seemed purposely designed to throw man-babies into a tantrum and perpetuate the idea that activism is an annoyance.
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There's a whole actual mission in the game where you support and protect a group of suffragettes. What goes on in the video is just the nature of the game, you can attack anyone. There's also an NPC proclaiming the greatness of eugenics in the same city, you can dispatch him in whatever way you desire. This sociopath making these clickbait videos isn't the fault of of either Rockstar or the game.

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Wanted level isn't a punishment. Players enjoy fighting, and wanted levels bring more of that.
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Being wanted isn't fun in RDR2.
 
DStubbs

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Meh fuck'em, guy should of stayed banned. Dude knew exactly what he was doing and used the game to promote violence. He didn't make some video just showing random and funny ways to die in RDR 2, this had an agenda attached and was never made to be funny. Will never understand why people get all bent out of shape about these idiots on YouTube anyway. Oh boo hoo he got banned. So what? There's hundreds of people who probably make videos of RDR 2 on YouTube why does this idiot matter? So like I said before... fuck'em.
 
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vestan

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Gotta love him uploading a video titled "Deporting Mexican" after getting unbanned.
 

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DStubbs said:
Meh fuck'em, guy should of stayed banned. Dude knew exactly what he was doing and used the game to promote violence. He didn't make some video just showing random and funny ways to die in RDR 2, this had an agenda attached and was never made to be funny. Will never understand why people get all bent out of shape about these idiots on YouTube anyway. Oh boo hoo he got banned. So what? There's hundreds of people who probably make videos of RDR 2 on YouTube why does this idiot matter? So like I said before... fuck'em.
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It's not like the majority of his content would be missed. Tons of people upload no commentary playthroughs, he just does it as soon as possible and with literal descriptions of the spoiler in the title and the infamous thumbnails...the trifecta of "why is this needed?" (not saying that about playthroughs, but the other two things clearly done in the most clickbaity way possible)

I'm sure plenty of people have access to the Dark Souls III music as well by now, so I'm not sure why some were concerned about that when he was briefly banned.

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Gotta love him uploading a video titled "Deporting Mexican" after getting unbanned.
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Doubling down I see...I should've figured as much after how much he gloated and said "I love you all" for helping him get reinstated.
 
Z-Brownie

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That reminds of my little nephew that started a gang at his school because his father let him play gtav ... he is 6yo.

Of course, he cannot play it anymore and he was grounded for that.
 
Staticneuron

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Vela said:
Then be overwhelmed by sadness that "these people" are everywhere in the gaming community. You cannot find a gaming forum or social media space where this fascist ideology aren't present. Their vile bigotry and hatred have become so ingrained and endemic to gaming culture that we now stand at the precipice that Rosa Luxemburg already predicted in her Junius Pamphlet in 1916. By-standers & enablers like Youtube and the gaming press cannot be neutral or silent.
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Why do this? It isn't the games part that comes first. It is the people. People play video games. And what you see in any fandom (this stuff shows up in sports, movies, comics, politics and more) is a reflection of how much it is there within a society. Trying to point to gaming alone in a response to what is happening in the world is the type of reasoning people attack the idea of "gamers" and totally miss the mark of why this poison exists.

And complaints about free speech should be ignored in specific context imo. A message of hate and divisiveness should always be shut down. I don't know why youtube allowed this guy to have his channel back.
 
Van Bur3n

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Everyone saying the removal of his channel was too severe, you're fucking idiots.

Unsurprisingly he is doing what anyone with a lick of common sense expected, making more videos targeting marginalized groups that are even worse.
 
FFNB

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Not surprised by this shit. People like this guy love to live out their shitty worldview in games. Him profiting off of the vid is gross too. I'm glad his channel was terminated.
 
Lulu

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Figboy said:
Not surprised by this shit. People like this guy love to live out their shitty worldview in games. Him profiting off of the vid is gross too. I'm glad his channel was terminated.
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It was reinstated. Thread title needs to be updated.
 
Issen

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StarBot said:
You can't be sexist towards guys

You can be assholes to us, you can be mean to us

But you can never be sexists towards us, due to how much privilege and hold we have

No disrespect, but this #NotAllMen stuff, it's helping anyone
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No disrespect, but this "You can't be sexist against guys" isn't helping anyone either. You can absolutely have prejudices against men or discriminate against men.

This doesn't mean that I think it's "more important to address this than sexism against women", or that it makes sexism against women okay, or even that anyone addressing sexism against women should also address sexism against men. It also certainly doesn't mean conversations about hatred against women should be hijacked with discussions about hatred against men.

What it does mean is that one shouldn't address sexism against women by dishing out hate against men. Call it sexism, generalizations, being an asshole or whatever you want but it's not okay and it should be called out.
 
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