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mael

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Nov 3, 2017
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What positives can the left pull from this protest - what does it achieve?

You can always find the crazies on the other side trying to twist actions, but they generally aren't compelling anyone outside the base. You can dig and find ugly reactions to the women's march, but it was largely seen as a unifying measure and inspired *many* women to run and were just elected this week. You can find people who yelled about Antifa in Charlottesville, but the enduring image is left standing against white nationalists.

What is the message here, hell Tucker wasn't even home when they did it. They just scared his wife into calling the police.
Yes the left organized this, I was there during the special council of the Left in Minot last week, it was decided that Carlson would be harassed and it would further the Left's agenda in the public eye.

e: it was of course organized by Soros the master illuminati.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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"we know where you sleep" is a fucking veiled death threat dude. Don't feign ignorance that it isn't.
Anyone using death threats and intimidation is not legitimately exerting their rights to free speech or to protest.

I don't really give a fuck if you want to whataboutism away that Tucker Carlson is a fuck and says fuck things for a living to deflect that what they are doing is shitty.

"if "we think you are categorically a pedophile who only wants to use the woman's bathroom to rape our precious white wives and daughters" is not considered a call for violence against trans people, but instead a contribution to the marketplace of ideas... then how about we pretend that "we know where you sleep at night" is just a tautological declaration of the fact that they are self-evidently aware of where Tucker sleeps at night"

DO SOMETHING (nonviolent, please) so that Tucker stops putting me in very real danger first! these protests are happening because marginalized people are desperate and afraid
 

Vyrak

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Jan 12, 2018
663
What positives can the left pull from this protest - what does it achieve?

You can always find the crazies on the other side trying to twist actions, but they generally aren't compelling anyone outside the base. You can dig and find ugly reactions to the women's march, but it was largely seen as a unifying measure and inspired *many* women to run and were just elected this week. You can find people who yelled about Antifa in Charlottesville, but the enduring image is left standing against white nationalists.

What is the message here, hell Tucker wasn't even home when they did it. They just scared his wife into calling the police.

The message is fuck Tucker Carlson and those who support him, it is pretty clear.

No, I think it would be a lot worse if it had been.

What's worse than mass shootings and mail bombs?
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Fun part is that their actual doing nothing is less effective than literally any push backs including over the top violence.
Heck neonazis themselves claim that they stop doing neonazis shit when they are actually confronted.

For sure, and neo-nazis and alt-right fuckwads absolutely adore the finger-waggers who come out in droves against any amount of resistance from the left. It's part of their tactics to hamstring the left into inaction because any action is automatically reprehensible literally regardless of what it is, while the far-right's domestic terrorism is normalized.
 

Regulus Tera

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Oct 25, 2017
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All I'm gonna say is that people need to be smarter about how they protest if they don't want to give the fascists more ammunition with which to hit back.
 

beelulzebub

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Oct 25, 2017
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Except none of my opinions are problematic; asking people not to use nazi tactics of intimidation is not problematic at all. I don't care who does it, left or right.
You have chosen to call out the left for protesting. You have not called out the right for acts of violence, except in a meek act of defense when somebody in this thread called you out on it.

If you don't see that as problematic there is nothing to discuss.
 

mael

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Nov 3, 2017
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For sure, and neo-nazis and alt-right fuckwads absolutely adore the finger-waggers who come out in droves against any amount of resistance from the left. It's part of their tactics to hamstring the left into inaction because any action is automatically reprehensible literally regardless of what it is, while the far-right's domestic terrorism is normalized.

In a way it's fascinating to observe, it's so obvious I have no idea why anyone is falling for it though.

All I'm gonna say is that people need to be smarter about how they protest if they don't want to give the fascists more ammunition with which to hit back.
It's cute you think there needs to be ammo.
The right is literally using Qanon to spread BS to invent new ways to hate people.
 

HyGogg

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Oct 27, 2017
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No. That's your goal. Must be nice to have the privilege to do so.
If your goal is not the defeat of violence, hate, and extremist rhetoric, then you aren't much of an ally. I'm not saying that disobedience and even violence are never necessary in those goals, but let's not lose sight of the goal, which is fundamentally peace, order, safety, and tolerance.

The only people who want war are people of privilege or the people with absolutely nothing to lose.
 

Regulus Tera

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Oct 25, 2017
19,458
It's cute you think there needs to be ammo.
The right is literally using Qanon to spread BS to invent new ways to hate people.
If people wanna go into full on revolt against the right then that's cool with me but I hope they are aware of what that road looks like because it won't be pretty.
 

EdibleKnife

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Oct 29, 2017
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Tucker Carlson deserves worse than this; but what exactly do people expect to gain from harassing him? Do you actually think Tucker Carlson or anyone else will lessen their disgusting rhetoric over this?
I think the people who have to bear the brunt of the consequences of Carlson's rhetoric are entitled to a little catharsis. Is it effective? Does it change anything? Maybe or maybe not. But that doesn't need to be the purpose of every action. This isn't being done in place of voting or protests or activism so I won't condemn it. The trans and gay people of Stonewall rioted for simple catharsis due to the overwhelming amount of stress and frustration to build up due to being oppressed and demonized. They certainly do that as a considered tactic and yet it changed something.
 

saenima

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Oct 25, 2017
11,892
All I'm gonna say is that people need to be smarter about how they protest if they don't want to give the fascists more ammunition with which to hit back.

This inane argument sure hasn't gotten old after reading it for 500th time.

The mere existence of people who are not straight white christian men is all the fuel they need. You have the fucking government literally peddling conspiracy theories and doctored tapes to suppress freedom of the press.
 
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All I'm gonna say is that people need to be smarter about how they protest if they don't want to give the fascists more ammunition with which to hit back.

Historically fascists don't need ammunition to hit back. They can make anything up and their audience will believe it regardless of if it's grounded in facts or not. I mean just look at anything Tucker every broadcasts.

This is a response to someone shooting up a synagogue due to fascist conspiracy theories Tucker helped promote. What kind of response do you think would be appropriate that the American right wouldn't use as ammo?
 

phonicjoy

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Jun 19, 2018
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Historically fascists don't need ammunition to hit back. They can make anything up and their audience will believe it regardless of if it's grounded in facts or not. I mean just look at anything Tucker every broadcasts.

This is a response to someone shooting up a synagogue due to fascist conspiracy theories Tucker helped promote. What kind of response do you think would be appropriate that the American right wouldn't use as ammo?

So proof em right I guess huh?
 

Avengers23

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Oct 25, 2017
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All I'm gonna say is that people need to be smarter about how they protest if they don't want to give the fascists more ammunition with which to hit back.
The fascist regime literally doctored video footage and released it to support their attempt to suppress the free press because a reporter was asking questions of their dear leader.

Worry about giving them ammunition is irrelevant. They make shit up regardless.
 

mael

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Nov 3, 2017
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If people wanna go into full on revolt against the right then that's cool with me but I hope they are aware of what that road looks like because it won't be pretty.
The road is already paved with the tears of children put in cages.
It's already ugly and it's going to get uglier anyway.
Any second this is allowed to continue is more indictment of the American population.
 

mael

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And look how much sympathy that got them...
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RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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I dont think its the protesting that they are objecting to.
Then what is it, that Tucker should not have to live looking behind his back? News flash: when you advocate for horrific things, people take issue with that. He's been privileged enough to have his little bubble and be able to live a comfortable life while being a Nazi for a long time, too long. He has been free from consequences for his actions. He's been able to go have dinner, see a movie, maybe have a beer with his friends, all while being a Nazi. We do not strive to make their lives comfortable, because they want us dead. They are not working with reason, if you are a liberal or progressive, they want you dead. Make no mistake, they want you to not exist. If they could push a button to disappear you tomorrow, they would, but they can't so they do it through tearing apart the social fabric of society and stripping people of their humanity (NPC's) and basic rights until they get to a point where it happens. Donald Trump could order the National Guard to fire on American citizens and you know Tucker would defend it.
 

HyGogg

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Oct 27, 2017
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"Going too far" because people rang a doorbell and jiggled a handle. Moderates in America are truly something else.
It's more the menacing "we know where you live" threats that I think are crossing the line. I have no problem with calling the guy every name in the book. There's a line between making someone feel hated and making them feel fearful for their physical safety.
 

EdibleKnife

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Oct 29, 2017
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What does this even mean?
It means using Dr. King as something you throw out to end a battle without actual consideration for his ideals and the context of the time. It means using him as a bludgeon without any substance. Dr. King was despised as an instigator of violence and his tactics were called "unhelpful" to say the least by white America. He literally ended up killed for his ideals and yet some of the very things he fought for still have not changed or come with an asterisk in modern day. He knew and sympathized with exactly why riots happened among his community despite trying to prevent them. He lived alongside Malcolm X and the advent of the Black Panthers who were a lot more radical and yet still effective. The Black Panthers literally had to buy and pose with guns to get gun rights laws to change. Nothing is as simple as "behave like Dr. King and equality will come".
 

saenima

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Oct 25, 2017
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It means using Dr. King as something you throw out to end a battle without actual consideration for his ideals and the context of the time. It means using him as a bludgeon without any substance. Dr. King was despised as an instigator of violence and his tactics were called "unhelpful" to say the least by white America. He literally ended up killed for his ideals and yet some of the very things he fought for still have not changed or come with an asterisk in modern day. He knew and sympathized with exactly why riots happened among his community despite trying to prevent them. He lived alongside Malcolm X and the Black Panthers who were a lot more radical and yet still effective. The Black Panthers literally had to buy and pose with guns to get gun rights laws to change. Nothing is as simple as "behave like Dr. King and equality will come".

Thank you for having the patience that i lack.
 

BocoDragon

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Oct 26, 2017
5,207
There sure are a lot of people on the left who think identically to the proud boys. Any street level confrontation with your hated ideological enemies is righteous, eh? I'd call it tribalism.

Thankfully I know IRL most people shake their heads at the excesses of both left and right.
 

Driggonny

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's more the menacing "we know where you live" threats that I think are crossing the line. I have no problem with calling the guy every name in the book. There's a line between making someone feel hated and making them feel fearful for their physical safety.
oh gosh I wonder what that feels like
 
Oct 25, 2017
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There sure are a lot of people on the left who think identically to the proud boys. Any street level confrontation with your hated ideological enemies is righteous, eh? I'd call it tribalism.

Thankfully I know IRL most people shake their heads at the excesses of both left and right.

there are white supremacists on the left? can you illustrate some of them for me, i want to make sure i don't support them
 

Mister X

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Dec 5, 2017
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And the divide between left and right keeps getting bigger. I woder how this will all end...
 

Dyno

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Oct 25, 2017
13,254
This guy deserves to be criticized and I don't object to the idea of protests against him as a person, but I think this specific incident has come very close to crossing a line that, in all honesty, shouldn't be crossed. Don't mess with the family and don't resort to any threats of violence.

Is breaking up families at the border not a part of that line? Or sticking kids in cages? These families don't count? I think this one family can take a little bit of protesting considering how Carlson is happily condoning all the torture their ilk are putting others through.
 

Vyrak

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Jan 12, 2018
663
There sure are a lot of people on the left who think identically to the proud boys. Any street level confrontation with your hated ideological enemies is righteous, eh? I'd call it tribalism.

It's righteous when one side is filled with Nazis and the other side isn't. Imagine being so dumb as to equate the ideologies of these groups.
 

mael

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Nov 3, 2017
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There sure are a lot of people on the left who think identically to the proud boys. Any street level confrontation with your hated ideological enemies is righteous, eh? I'd call it tribalism.

Thankfully I know IRL most people shake their heads at the excesses of both left and right.
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BocoDragon

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Oct 26, 2017
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there are white supremacists on the left? can you illustrate some of them for me, i want to make sure i don't support them
You call them white supremacists. They call you communists.

I see dummies clashing in the streets. Left and right are both ruining this country. A pox on both your houses.
 

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Then what is it, that Tucker should not have to live looking behind his back?

NOBODY should have to live 'looking behind their back', and you'll forgive me if I doubt your sincerity that you don't believe "we know where you sleep" is a veiled threat when you're literally saying you hope that someone lives in fear for their life.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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It's more the menacing "we know where you live" threats that I think are crossing the line. I have no problem with calling the guy every name in the book. There's a line between making someone feel hated and making them feel fearful for their physical safety.

"We know where you live" as in, actions have consequences and this little shit can't just get on TV, spew neo-Nazi shit all day to the masses, then slink away to complete anonymity as if there's complete disconnect between what he does in front of cameras and what he does behind them. There's no reason to believe literal bodily harm was going to come to Carlson because...well...it didn't. They're right outside the home. If they wanted to do something violent they would've done something violent and this conversation would've been different.

Contrast this to ACTUAL physical or attempted physical violence from the far right. See: Charlottesville protests, mass shooting at the synagogue, pipe bombs mailed. There's just no comparison to draw between the two.
 

Capra

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Oct 25, 2017
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There sure are a lot of people on the left who think identically to the proud boys. Any street level confrontation with your hated ideological enemies is righteous, eh? I'd call it tribalism.

Thankfully I know IRL most people shake their heads at the excesses of both left and right.

Our "ideological enemies" literally want to fucking kill minorities out of sheer hatred but sure, keep looking down from that high horse of yours
 

RSena7

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Oct 26, 2017
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It means using Dr. King as something you throw out to end a battle without actual consideration for his ideals and the context of the time. It means using him as a bludgeon without any substance. Dr. King was despised as an instigator of violence and his tactics were called "unhelpful" to say the least by white America. He literally ended up killed for his ideals and yet some of the very things he fought for still have not changed or come with an asterisk in modern day. He knew and sympathized with exactly why riots happened among his community despite trying to prevent them. He lived alongside Malcolm X and the Black Panthers who were a lot more radical and yet still effective. The Black Panthers literally had to buy and pose with guns to get gun rights laws to change. Nothing is as simple as "behave like Dr. King and equality will come".
This site misses me with this nonsense.

King's ideals were inarguably based on peaceful protest and objective principles of morality. And his strategies were more effective than any other American civil rights leader at the time. Just because he was criticized doesn't mean he wasn't effective. Just because he was killed doesn't mean he failed.

All of "this" needs to looked at from the lense that the United States is founded on a white supremacist ideal and it will reign for the foreseeable future. If you're going to effectively fight against that you have to be perfect. Protests like the one against Carlson are not equivalent to the Freedom Riders or the Selma marchers. Try again.
 

Xaszatm

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Oct 25, 2017
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This site misses me with this nonsense.

King's ideals were inarguably based on peaceful protest and objective principles of morality. And his strategies were more effective than any other American civil rights leader at the time. Just because he was criticized doesn't mean he wasn't effective. Just because he was killed doesn't mean he failed.

All of "this" needs to looked at from the lense that the United States is founded on a white supremacist ideal and it will reign for the foreseeable future. If you're going to effectively fight against that you have to be perfect. Protests like the one against Carlson are not equivalent to the Freedom Riders or the Selma marchers. Try again.

How about BLM? Or the Kneeling at the flag? Or any of those protests which are decried as being "too much"?

Hell? How about the MLK protests themselves which were claimed to be going too far?
 

BrokenBox

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm a huge liberal and I don't think this is the right way to go about things. Elected official or pundit in public? Sure. Not this, though.

EDIT: And to further clarify my position, Carlson is terrible.
 

saenima

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Oct 25, 2017
11,892
You call them white supremacists. They call you communists.

I see dummies clashing in the streets. Left and right are both ruining this country. A pox on both your houses.

Yeah the left is ruining everything with their equal rights bullshit. Motherfucking equality right? Everything was just fine and dandy* before the left came and started fighting for social justice. Fuck minorities amirite?

*for straight white people with the right religion.
 

RedMercury

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Dec 24, 2017
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NOBODY should have to live 'looking behind their back', and you'll forgive me if I doubt your sincerity that you don't believe "we know where you sleep" is a veiled threat when you're literally saying you hope that someone lives in fear for their life.
So your opinion is Nazis should be comfortable. That is a horrible opinion. Or, cards on the table, do you just think Tucker isn't a Nazi, is that it?

And it doesn't have to be fear of physical violence, It's being inconvenienced and deplatformed in all areas of life to effect deplatforming him from where he is causing harm. If he has to wade through a crowd of people to get his mail, if he can't go have a nice dinner, if he can't go see a movie, these are all ways to fight him that are not violent.
 
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