If the Democratic Party is smart they don't have him run on their ticket in 2020. Biden/Beto is the best combo to retake the WH.
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Bernie Sanders: White People Uncomfortable About Voting for Black Candidates Not Necessarily Racist
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that was 50 years ago. After that he moved a state that has more black people in jail than walking it's streets. What have he done lately?
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You;re now getting in actually offensive territory, you are abusing the Holocasut to defend a whilte men too afriad to alienate white voters so he decided to say it;s not racist to not vote for a black person because they're black.
If you think Bernie is a racist go with that and don't look back.
I don't agree but to each their own.
I pretty sure he's making fun of the people who make the same sort of excuses for Manchin and Donnelly for their socially conservative views and are given a pass for it by neolibs.
He won't get past the primaries if he tries. I don't care for wondering about hypotheticals, just pointing out that his stance on racial politics has hurt him more than it's helped and he's never won an election outside of an extremely white state.
Its more that they throw his problematic bullshit into a freezer and refuse to accept it for what it is. Just read the thread, its 8 pages of people trying to explain his bullshit away while the rest of us go "Nah".
But yeah, this isnt shocking coming from him at all.
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He is still white, you do realise there are many different white people in the world right? Not just American's. White people not matter where they are from are the majority in many 1st world countries. White people in these countries are treated far better than poc of colour like me. That isn't me saying Jewish people (and white people from other countries) don't get hate, but they don't have to deal with many of the things minorities do.
Bringing up the holocaust also aint a good look
Then report me.
Because I did no such thing.
I've already stated Bernie fucked up.
What I don't agree with is that he's a racist and I also don't agree with the reductive label that he's merely white given his Jewish ethnicity.
If stating that is bannable then I hope my pan is permanent. (Which of course it's not)
And unconscious racial bias is indeed a thing and worthy of discussion. Too bad that's not a conversation Bernie Sanders has even begun to try to have. In this interview or at any point. Stop speaking for this man and let him stand by his own words.
This so-called nuance Bernie is capable of only seems to come up when Bernie says something that pisses a lot of black people (and often women) off.
I mean, the best thing that can be said about Bernie in this instance is that he just isn't equipped to talk about race. But that's pretty damning on its own for the man with hopes of leading the Democratic party.
The Democrats aren't going to retake anything by doubling down on neo-liberalist candidates. The vast majority of people who have fallen for Trump's populism isn't just going to hop back on the same train they jumped off of 4 years before.
What do you think of a person who would otherwise like his policies but won't vote for him because he's black?
I agree with you 100%. He has done one positive thing and that's energize the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. The dude marched with MLK, he isn't a racist.
""I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily anti-Semitic who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an Jew""
Read that back and tell me if it sounds like a logical conclusion. Also, again, we had 8 years of a black president, anyone worried on whether black people can effectively govern is both racist and especially politically ignorant.
What the fuck are you even arguing?
Who said anti-Semitism didnt exist?
You guys will do anything to defend Saint Bernie. Even when he basically defends racist behavior.
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You literally argued we can''t call Bernie Sanders and old white man because the Holocaust.
Saying he marched with MLK is the same thing as Republicans talking about Lincoln freeing the slaves. Is he racist? Something you did 50 years ago, don't give you a pass over easily avoidable shit happening today. No, is he is dangerously ignorant on minority issues, hell yes. That alone should discount him from any real place in the democratic party
Nah it's racism you seem to be under the someone that racism just means white supermacists there's a large breadth and range to racism from racist thoughts to racist acts to racist ideology. A racist thought is a racist thought doesn't matter if it comes from what you otherwise consider a good person. Accept that simply having a racist thought isn't the be all and end all but if you can't accept the the thought itself was racist then you haven't even started the journey to grow from the experience.
You're preaching to the choir,
I'm white, non-Jewish and I acknowledge and loath systemic racism and consider it the single greatest blight on this nation.
However, Jews have been mercilessly persecuted as well and given that history of oppression, I have a very serious problem with sweeping them into the same category as other 'whites' because their history doesn't support that reductive categorization, especially when antisemitism is alive and well.
The same people Bernie is defending are the same ones railing against ((Soros)) and (Globalists) which makes his comments even crazier
Did you know that the first black politicians were republicans?
this!
It's racist, full stop. Fuck cuddling some dumb white people because they don't want to challenge themselves. It's the same as saying, "Someone who want date a person for another race isn't racist. That's just a preference." Yeah, one influenced by a racist society.
PSA: There are levels to racism! When some people hear the word they think of someone going to a klan rally or using slurs, but that's the extreme.
PSA: There are levels to racism! When some people hear the word they think of someone going to a klan rally or using slurs, but that's the extreme.
So because antisemitism exists you think Jewish people don't reap the same benefits of being visibly white in a country build around white supremacy?
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Trans people can be white and persecuted, gay people can be white and persecuted, etc.... They don't stop being white, if Sanders was a gay Christian Lefty and said this shit he'd still be an old white man
Actually I didn't.
I responded to the notion that being Jewish and being white are analogous which is false and I cited the historical context of the Holocaust as very clear proof of that.
Jews have never been treated the same as 'Christian' whites and there's plenty of evidence to back that up.
I personally think it's grossly dismissive to ignore his ethnicity but do as you like.
Different segments of whites can be persecuted. It's crazy that some people are trying to dismiss the Jewish people's experience with racism a couple of weeks after the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre. They're literally being hunted down in their place of worship like blacks in the Charleston church shooting.
Except from anti-Semites, who will jump through hoops to point out how they aren't white even if a) the Jewish individual they are targeting is Ashkenazi, and b) looks nearly identical to the anti-Semite.
Pretty much every white supremacist group - from the KKK to the Nazis - has the Jews either near or at the top of their shit list, seeing them as an existential threat precisely because they can pass as 'white' and 'dilute the gene pool'.
Tetra was wrong to bring up Bernie's Jewishness, it's not a reason to downplay antisemitism and the continual bogeyman it serves to reactionary ghouls along with black and brown people.
Not all Jewish people are white. I think hispanics are probably the closer analogy, some can blend in, others cannot.
I think they are currently in a more advantageous place than people of color (who have been fucked severely and consistently) but I also think it's unfair to pretend that Jewish = white with nary a difference because historically, that is entirely untrue.
People already said it in this thread, but it needs to be restated.
Just because you were part of the Civil Rights Movement, doesn't mean you're always in the right when it comes to issues about race. Sure Bernie marched years ago, but this isn't the first ignorant statement regarding black people over the years. We shouldn't try to excuse this man's actions when it could lead to dangerous ramifications in terms of voter support.
One of the key problems that has plagued the democratic party is the lack of any real support for our country's black population. Black people vote democrat because the other option is literally out to kill you. That being said, the democratic party hasn't done anything much other than be apathetic to the problems of black citizens. It's insulting to see people dismiss any attempts at black people trying to penetrate the political world in order to fight for a change in the party that betters their people.
Just because you were part of the Civil Rights Movement, doesn't mean you're always in the right when it comes to issues about race. Sure Bernie marched years ago, but this isn't the first ignorant statement regarding black people over the years. We shouldn't try to excuse this man's actions when it could lead to dangerous ramifications in terms of voter support.
One of the key problems that has plagued the democratic party is the lack of any real support for our country's black population. Black people vote democrat because the other option is literally out to kill you. That being said, the democratic party hasn't done anything much other than be apathetic to the problems of black citizens. It's insulting to see people dismiss any attempts at black people trying to penetrate the political world in order to fight for a change in the party that betters their people.
Well you see, real racism died with the civil rights, so marching with King automatically absolves you of any modern racism because it's just sjws crying.
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You are 100% using anti-antisemitism as a sword here because we're calling him a white man, in a thread where he expressed a very very white man sentiment.
The only thing distasteful here is your rhetoric.
As a white Jew, we can avoid what black and brown people cannot. Doesn't mean antisemitism isn't a threat but Jews don't face the same direct day to day risks as other minority groups.
What you're saying here ignores a long and painful history of how the oppressed have sometimes willingly aided the oppressors in their oppression of other groups. But that's a completely different conversation that's, honestly, for a completely different thread.
Suffice to say, being Jewish (or a member of any other oppressed minority) does not on its own make you more sympathetic or insightful to the plight of black people if you choose not to acknowledge the similarities.
And it certainly doesn't grant Bernie a pass on judgement for the tidal wave of dumb that spewed from his mouth in this interview.
Traditionally and historically, Jews have not been treated as or considered 'white.'
It's nonsensical but then so too is racism, sexism, etc.
Where in the article is the quote in the thread title? I can't find it.
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you've had your head buried in the sand if you think this fuck up is his only one
I'm not following how Sanders being Jewish and the historical mistreatment of Jews makes his statement any more ... acceptable?