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ZealousD

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Anecdotal evidence. During M19 Standard, somebody was playing a rotation-proof Rakdos Burn deck at my LGS Standard Showdown against legit-tier decks (including myself playing Grixis Midrange /w Nicol Bolas/Scarab God/Gearhulk etc) and managed to win First Place.

Again, not saying the deck is top tier or anything, but it can win.
 

Bigkrev

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The one-shot chapter of the Magic the Gathering manga by YOKO has been translated and can be found if you look hard enough (hell, its been on the front page of the Magic subreddit for a few hours).
 

Angry Grimace

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It's like a documentary of Magic in the 90s.

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Angry Grimace

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The one-shot chapter of the Magic the Gathering manga by YOKO has been translated and can be found if you look hard enough (hell, its been on the front page of the Magic subreddit for a few hours).
I mean it's a lock to get licensed imo because I believe WOTC is in on it - it's using actual cards and expansions (e.g. the main character is all excited about Exodus releasing and how he traded away his Cursed Scroll and got hosed.)

I was a little skeptical about the setting being late 90s Magic but it makes sense in context because the characters aren't really able to look stuff up on the internet which takes away the drama of having them bust out secret tech.

Also, this is pretty peak 90s Magic:

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Angry Grimace

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Most of this author's works aren't super long (like 20-ish chapters) and I'm guessing the "destroy all humanity in May 1999" thing is when this ends (which makes sense since it would be weird for them to not be netdecking past around that point).
 

Angry Grimace

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Has to be peak 90s Magic 'cause I don't get it. People being surprised at a $10-$15 Reserved List card?
No, that's not it. It's because the players in this manga are middle-schoolers who literally don't know how much the cards cost. Part of the plot is that he finds an LGS for the first time and finds out you can buy singles rather than having to trade for them.

When I was a kid playing Magic there might be one or two guys in the school who had a copy of InQuest where you could find out the card prices, which were also essentially just arbitrary. Shivan Dragon was listed at $17 so of course I traded all my Underground Seas and Bayou for it. I wouldn't trade Taiga though. You need that to cast Shivan Dragon and Force of Nature.
 

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No, that's not it. It's because the players in this manga are middle-schoolers who literally don't know how much the cards cost. Part of the plot is that he finds an LGS for the first time and finds out you can buy singles rather than having to trade for them.

When I was a kid playing Magic there might be one or two guys in the school who had a copy of InQuest where you could find out the card prices, which were also essentially just arbitrary. Shivan Dragon was listed at $17 so of course I traded all my Underground Seas and Bayou for it. I wouldn't trade Taiga though. You need that to cast Shivan Dragon and Force of Nature.

I guess I had to be there. I remember trading Pokemon cards in middle school back in the day (original base set) even though I didn't even play the game at all. Even then I was fairly aware that certain cards were definitely worth way more than others. I still have this $80 number in my head for Charizard, not sure if that was for First Edition or not.
 

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Also, Cursed Scroll is a very unassuming card to be worth $15 in that era if you weren't playing in tourneys.

 

Angry Grimace

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I guess I had to be there. I remember trading Pokemon cards in middle school back in the day (original base set) even though I didn't even play the game at all. Even then I was fairly aware that certain cards were definitely worth way more than others. I still have this $80 number in my head for Charizard, not sure if that was for First Edition or not.
The cards were worth more or less, but that value was arbitrarily set by various magazines and you might be able to check out what that number was once a year or something; whenever InQuest or Scrye came out (which was infrequent and you had to travel somewhere to even buy that magazine).
 

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The Pro Tour is a marketing expense that probably is a large money loser for WOTC. It doesn't even do particularly great Twitch numbers, so I could very easily see why Hasbro would tell the Magic division to cut their marketing budget and they nickel-and-dime all sorts of things to get to that number.

In the end, I still think all of Gerry T's complaints boil down to the fact he wants to get paid a salary. He's taken on this role where that's not necessarily a viable complaint (it's legally dubious and largely impracticable), so he just complains about all sorts of nonsense things like his free water bottle or the random online survey about coverage (he literally wrote out paragraphs and paragraphs of answers complaining about the form of the question) because he knows the community base is always gonna side with the players.
 
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Bigkrev

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The cards were worth more or less, but that value was arbitrarily set by various magazines and you might be able to check out what that number was once a year or something; whenever InQuest or Scrye came out (which was infrequent and you had to travel somewhere to even buy that magazine).
Yeah- Scrye wasn't a monthly mag (it was 5-6 issues a year) till the early 00s, and Duelist didn't have a price guide till very late in its life. Inquest was monthly but it had the weakest price guide- it didn't list every card ("unlisted rates worth x")
 

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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articl...gic-gaming-announcement-december-6-2018-11-09
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We do love announcing our announcements, but you should pay special attention to this one.

All fall, we've been offering small glimpses into the future of competitive Magic gaming, and we know you have questions. On December 6 at The Game Awards (and on this website), you will get answers.

So, we ask that you're just a little bit more patient with us. It will be worth the wait.

If it's at the Keighles, this probably is a big Arena thing
 

aidan

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Damn. Announcement at The Game Awards seems like a big deal. Official competitive play on a beta platform seems weird, though.
 

Bigkrev

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Damn. Announcement at The Game Awards seems like a big deal. Official competitive play on a beta platform seems weird, though.
I mean, Fortnite is still technically in Beta and is the biggest game in the world.

Especially with them making a goal of making the PT Smaller, actually getting drafts vs Humans in the game and doing all limited rounds at PTs on Arena is what my guess is
 
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Details from the DnD Ravnica book
Thought it might be nice to compile some of the info from the Guildmaster's Guide for those who are interested in Ravnica but not interested in D&D.

  • The current Ravnica year is is given as 10,076, placing the events of the original Ravnica block 76 years in the past. Ravnican years are 365 days long, with months being a scrambled version of the Gregorian calendar

  • Jace became Living Guildpact in 10,075

  • The book sort of implies that the Guildpact magic does not function when Jace is off-plane, but it's still not clear

  • Ravnican currency is called zibs and zinos, with 100 zibs making up 1 zino. 10 zibs will buy you a cup of coffee. The Azorius, Boros (???), and Orzhov all mint coins

  • The 10 districts are what originally made up Ravnica City. Other districts are different cities that eventually sprawled into the great city

  • The number of other districts is stated as "unknown", as are the borders of Ravnica (if there are any)
    • There is no large-scale agriculture. Small gardens and rot farms manage to provide all food
  • About half of Ravnica's population is guildless, and the proportion gets higher the farther you get away from the city's center and into "rural" areas. There are also discrepancies in race: nearly all elves belong to one of the guilds, but nearly all goblins are guildless

  • There is a 10-foot-tall statue of Agrus Kos in Precinct Two. It's become a meeting place for veterans, the mob, and Dimir spies

  • There is a Prism University that teaches magic and is--at least nominally--unaffiliated with any guild

  • Mizzium has weird properties: it has an extremely high melting point, but is also often found in a liquid form at room temperature

  • The Azorius have "precognitive mages", which are basically exactly Minority Report

  • Lavinia is freaked out by Jace's disappearance, but refuses to take on his duties as she doesn't believe that is lawful

  • For funsies, Isperia is listed as Lawful Neutral, Aurelia as Lawful Good, Lazav as Neutral Evil, Jarad as Neutral Evil, Borborygmos as Chaotic Neutral, Niv-Mizzet as Chaotic Neutral, the Obzedat as Neutral Evil, Rakdos as Chaotic Evil, Trostani as Neutral Good, and Zegana as Lawful Neutral

  • The Rakdos appear to have a satirical puppet show about Jace, so that's awesome

  • There's a good amount of new art, including what appears to be a 3-story-tall Selesnyan elemental fighting a similarly-sized Simic experiment like kaiju
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Imperfected

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You could do something weird with it, like "Rakdos Lampooner enters the battlefield as a copy of target creature an opponent controls, with the ability 'When this creature dies, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature with the same name.'"
 
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Rakdos Lampooner 2BR
Creature - Human Shaman
When CARDNAME enters the battlefield, create a token copy of target creature an opponent controls, except it's a 1/1 colorless artifact Puppet creature in addition to its other types and it has haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articl...gic-gaming-announcement-december-6-2018-11-09
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We do love announcing our announcements, but you should pay special attention to this one.

All fall, we've been offering small glimpses into the future of competitive Magic gaming, and we know you have questions. On December 6 at The Game Awards (and on this website), you will get answers.

So, we ask that you're just a little bit more patient with us. It will be worth the wait.

If it's at the Keighles, this probably is a big Arena thing
It does sound like an Arena thing but imagine the shit storm with all the discussion about pro support going on if they now allocate the big funds to arena and make that their big announcement.

Damn. Announcement at The Game Awards seems like a big deal. Official competitive play on a beta platform seems weird, though.
For all intends and purposes Arena is officially released. The label (open) beta has lost all it's meaning roughly 10 years ago.
 

Angry Grimace

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It does sound like an Arena thing but imagine the shit storm with all the discussion about pro support going on if they now allocate the big funds to arena and make that their big announcement.


For all intends and purposes Arena is officially released. The label (open) beta has lost all it's meaning roughly 10 years ago.
Even Alpha doesn't mean anything because some "early access" programs are labeled as alpha.
 

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League of Legends had its first World Championship while still in open beta, didn't it?

I think that was the moment all the sharks got jumped with regards to "beta" being just dumb marketing slang for online games. If they're willing to take your money in exchange for in-game purchases, it's not really a beta.
 

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Pro play on Arena doesn't seem like a good fit for an announcement with the general audience of The Game Awards. Only a small subsection of people who are already playing Arena would care.

I'd guess it will be the launch of more general features.
 

Bigkrev

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Pro play on Arena doesn't seem like a good fit for an announcement with the general audience of The Game Awards. Only a small subsection of people who are already playing Arena would care.

I'd guess it will be the launch of more general features.
Change "pro play" to "esports" and it perfectly fits the game awards, that has awards for best esports team, player, etc
 

Steve Winwood

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Having PTs this late in a format is awful. I get that they don't want to be firmly tied to set releases, but there's zero intrigue in watching a Guilds of Ravnica draft at this point.
 

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Pro play on Arena doesn't seem like a good fit for an announcement with the general audience of The Game Awards. Only a small subsection of people who are already playing Arena would care.

I'd guess it will be the launch of more general features.
They explicitly tied it to competitive play and why they've been so mum on details w/ the PTs next year.
 

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Having PTs this late in a format is awful. I get that they don't want to be firmly tied to set releases, but there's zero intrigue in watching a Guilds of Ravnica draft at this point.

You say that but there were around 20k people on stream during the draft rounds yesterday and today it has been around 28k all morning which is like 2x to 3x more than the limited rounds have gotten at previous PTs. There are 28k on right now which is what the finals usually get.
 

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You say that but there were around 20k people on stream during the draft rounds yesterday and today it has been around 28k all morning which is like 2x to 3x more than the limited rounds have gotten at previous PTs.

I'm not sure about those numbers, and I would be surprised if timing within the format was the primary driver of any difference. From what I can tell, the last limited PT was around 18- 20k for the limited rounds on day 2, and there's so much else that affects viewership (eg I'd expect the wide release of Magic Arena since PT Dominaria to have had a much larger impact).

Either way, I'm not speaking from the perspective of the median viewer, I'm speaking from my perspective. The draft format has been largely solved for weeks, and there are no deep archetypes. The seven thousandth Boros vs Izzet matchup isn't at all compelling to me. It completely loses the element of discovery and of assessment-under-uncertainty that makes PT drafts in new formats compelling.
 
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this draft format is nowhere even remotely close to being solved

the tradeoff between going 2-color or 3+ color is well-balanced unlike other formats where you're restricted by a mana base of basic lands. this results in lots of divergence between players in what they'll decide, even if they're on the same page about what signals they're receiving (which they're not because the packs still have good cards in them after the first few picks)
 

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this draft format is nowhere even remotely close to being solved

the tradeoff between going 2-color or 3+ color is well-balanced unlike other formats where you're restricted by a mana base of basic lands. this results in lots of divergence between players in what they'll decide, even if they're on the same page about what signals they're receiving (which they're not because the packs still have good cards in them after the first few picks)

Lots of people are staying away from green but I think the way you use green is to play 3-color more often. Green has a lot of fixing in this set so the combination of guildgates and fixing makes it very easy to play Abzan or Sultai (I think Naya is a little weak).
 
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