That is...not the takeaway I intended lol.
There is a needled to be threaded. Obama did it in '08. Sanders just drove the needle into his finger again because he's not cut out to deal with this topic on the national stage.
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Bernie Sanders: White People Uncomfortable About Voting for Black Candidates Not Necessarily Racist
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There is a needled to be threaded. Obama did it in '08. Sanders just drove the needle into his finger again because he's not cut out to deal with this topic on the national stage.
Honestly, you just need to say fuck them and who cares. If this is enough for them to justify their racist positions, they aren't acting in good faith anyway and you shouldn't waste time engaging with them.
We're talking about American Jews though, they are considered white.
I am aware of Jewish people taking on different skin tones over in Europe, Africa, and Israel however.
I find that incredibly damning for anyone dismissing this kind of issue as it kinda shows how little regards they have for anything outside of their lane.
It's currentAffairs and they have never let me down so I'll read it.
But it kind of make sense that it could be used against the left when the right literally just needs to just put a D next to a name to sneer in disgust.
They don't even care about ideology at this point, they're literally just a hate spewing machine.
e: the Harris profile is interesting to say the least.
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I'm a minority as well in this country so I understand your anger. I share in that anger but change has to be made somewhere because Democrats keep getting killed in local elections.
Why does Bernie say stuff like this? This isn't the first time he's said something objectively wrong about racism.
Some like to distinguish between ideological racism (a belief that one race is superior/inferior) from racial bias/prejudice, which is often unconscious, and which many people are unaware of even in themselves. Colloquially we call them both racism -- and I would argue that bias does far more real-world damage than the ideological sort -- but there are contexts where the distinction is helpful.
It's a confusing statement taken any other way, because he is literally calling people out for racial bias. If his point is to say that these people aren't voting on race, then the whole statement is nonsensical. If his point is that these people aren't ideologues, and they may be reachable, then he may have a point.
Look at this thread. Because he knows that his Bernie Bros will defend him to their dying breaths.
I like Bernie, and I think most of what he's saying in the original article is reasonable, but the phrasing in that excerpt is baffling to me. I can only read it as unnecessary soft-pedaling meant to keep from offending the wrong kind of white people. Elsewhere, he straight up calls out the racist attacks some candidates faced.
If he does want to run again, this kind of language is going to haunt him.
If he does want to run again, this kind of language is going to haunt him.
The solution is certainly NOT alienating the fucking back bone of your party and the engine for change in order to Molly coddle and absolve racist for their racist feelings.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/polit...send-first-african-american-democrat-congress
Ethnicity: 73.2% White; 5.9% Black; 3.1% Asian; 15.6% Hispanic; 0.1% Native American; 2.1% other
A lot of first for them to be getting killed
So you're saying instead of white people stop being racist, the POC should just suck it up and take it?
Sounds hard.
Unfortunately this is been the talkingpoint for a lot of so-called Progressive for the last few years
He literally saying the opposite.
That CurrentAffair article was a bit disingeneous.
Talking about Clinton's Crime Bill in the context of 2016 without talking about how Sanders voted for it and campaigned his reelection based on his vote while saying that somehow Sanders was the candidate of minorities when minorities pretty much preferred another candidate is really weird.
The backbone of the Democratic party is black women, so no. That's not what he's saying
Bernie Sanders is like the white "liberals" in Portland Oregon and Eugene Oregon. They are so ignorant and out of touch with racial issues it's unbelievable .When you confront them when say and do racist things they get defensive and deny they are racist just like he did now. This sort of blind liberalism can go fuck itself.
It's funny how he assumed that the backbone of the democratic party was white, right?
Poe's law and some thread here kind of colored some of our reading of certain posts...
I was subtle but I got it. That why I didn't take offence Fam :-)
This thread wont be complete until a certain poster comes in and tells us token black people to get off the democratic plantation.
This is such a racist bullhorn I have no idea what I can do about that argument but burst out laughing.
why are people talking about Hillary? she disappeared into the woods and isn't coming back
Bernie however is still dogging for 2020,
IMO, Bernie needs to sit it out an let young people run
Bernie however is still dogging for 2020,
IMO, Bernie needs to sit it out an let young people run
You're extrapolating out a step too many - this is just the posturing he normally uses to avoid pissing off the electorate in Vermont.
I agree with the vast majority of this, but I'm quite sure that quite a few people itt really do believe he's virulently racist and not merely tone-deaf in his messaging on race
I think everyone is over thinking the entire statement honestly. You all act like it's IMPOSSIBLE for someone to be uncomfortable while not hating. Not everyone who is scared of dogs thinks they're horrible.
No, and double no
No, and double no
At this point the good thing about the virulently racist is that he is aware of his bias at least.
Thats true, but also would make sense strategically in a presidential run. However after seeing Donnely and Mccaskils results I think your better of just firing up the base instead of reaching across.
racism doesn't start and finish at hanging black people on trees.
The most forgiving explanation is that he is hilariously out of touch with racism because he's never had to endure it personally.
"Uncomfortable while not hating"? Not liking dogs? Jesus christ the excuses people come up with to forgive themselves...
It's not edgy, you just have little idea what racism is. As evidenced by your other post.
Yeah. The point of his comment was that otherwise well meaning people can get swept up in hate campaigns, especially when all of the cable news channels are feeding into it, which I find to pretty uncontroversial. But people in this thread are acting like he said "racism isn't real. White candidates only."
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No we're mad because what he said was not voting for a black person cause they're black isn't necessarily racist.
I wonder whether if I looked through that recent Joe Donnelly thread I'd find people rationalising what he said about ending birthright as good political strategy who are now in this thread not giving the same benefit of the doubt.