What?Yet we still cant get a black rep in smash.
Look I love Nintendo, but facts are facts.
Funnily enough yesterday I learned that all the fire emblem reps were white too.
Somebody come look at thisWoW was doing this ages ago, but now its Cultural Erasure™
Epic probably wouldn't want to credit a song where 50% of the lyrics are bitch anyway, young audience and all.
Yet we still cant get a black rep in smash.
Look I love Nintendo, but facts are facts.
Funnily enough yesterday I learned that all the fire emblem reps were white too.
The most eye opening thing in this thread for me is that the Fire Emblem characters are apparently not asian?
Sorry to tell you that Japanese people see the fire emblem characters as Japanese.Please read the last few pages in that thread and post in that one:
These people either work directly on Fortnite or at Epic
https://twitter.com/DwayneMartin86
https://twitter.com/arCtyC
https://twitter.com/AriPatrick
Yeah and those posters are wrong.Please read the last few pages in that thread and post in that one:
Imagine if Dance Central or Rock Band or GTA just took all of their content and never acknowledged the artists.
There is not a 'right' answer to this question.I need a good read on who "owns" culture, if anyone knows any good books on the subject. Like, would these dances exist both as part of a racial (black) culture and a national (U.S.) culture, giving performative "ownership" to a pretty wide swath?
Most cultures would like to see their dances in a game to spread their cultural awareness. Black culture in the US (because of how slavery and all of the other atrocities went) doesn't see this as embracing and spreading their culture though, they see it as whitey making money off of their creation.
However, naming/crediting their dance source will open Epic up to potential litigation.We've had this discussion countless times. If an artist wants to be paid for their dance, they can take it to court. It won't hold.
Seriously thank you for this
You're right, it wasn't worth it. I read your post already.
Please point to me where Cultural Erasure has been touted and ran into the ground?
It's easy to dimiss things when they don't affect you directly
At this point wouldnt it just be better for epic to hire a dance choreography to develop the dances in their game? Then they dont have to worry about backlash from taking from other cultures?
No one would use/buy them because they aren't popular dances, so no it wouldn't. Most cultures would like to see their dances in a game to spread their cultural awareness. Black culture in the US (because of how slavery and all of the other atrocities went) doesn't see this as embracing and spreading their culture though, they see it as whitey making money off of their creation.At this point wouldnt it just be better for epic to hire a dance choreography to develop the dances in their game? Then they dont have to worry about backlash from taking from other cultures?
Yet we still cant get a black rep in smash.
Look I love Nintendo, but facts are facts.
Funnily enough yesterday I learned that all the fire emblem reps were white too.
If Irish people aren't upset about the inclusion of the River Dance then why does OP need to bring it up? OP can't speak for the Irish.
Man, I'm glad you saw that. Shit was kinda nasty and hostile as well. Brody came with the quick edit tho. hahahahahahaha.
OP most are not going to understand because they aren't Black.
Culture is meant to be shared and the US is the only place I've ever been where people do not embrace this and see it as a negative thing.
Everything we do is ghetto until some white dude can make money from it.
At this point wouldnt it just be better for epic to hire a dance choreography to develop the dances in their game? Then they dont have to worry about backlash from taking from other cultures?
I definitely mentioned that in my other post:The sharing of culture is absolutely embraced in the US. Pretty much all of US culture came from somewhere else.
What you're missing here is the unique relationship the US shares with Black Americans. Its an abusive one.
No one would use/buy them because they aren't popular dances, so no it wouldn't. Most cultures would like to see their dances in a game to spread their cultural awareness. Black culture in the US (because of how slavery and all of the other atrocities went) doesn't see this as embracing and spreading their culture though, they see it as whitey making money off of their creation.
Dance Central and Rock Band's who gimmick is playing the whole song. If they didn't credit people (and pay them) they would be sued into oblivion. Way different than the quick meme dances in Fortnite. It would be different if Fortnite decided to implement the characters singing the full song with music while dancing. What Fortnite is doing right now is sampling and parodying, which US copyright law is very lenient with.
Everything we do is ghetto until some white dude can make money from it.
No one would use/buy them because they aren't popular dances, so no it wouldn't. Most cultures would like to see their dances in a game to spread their cultural awareness. Black culture in the US (because of how slavery and all of the other atrocities went) doesn't see this as embracing and spreading their culture though, they see it as whitey making money off of their creation.
I need a good read on who "owns" culture, if anyone knows any good books on the subject. Like, would these dances exist both as part of a racial (black) culture and a national (U.S.) culture, giving performative "ownership" to a pretty wide swath?
Sorry to tell you that Japanese people see the fire emblem characters as Japanese.
Rightfully so but thats yet another extent of how "white" everything is in games. If yall understand that.
It does. It fucking does man..There not being blacks in Smash has nothing to do with 'the industry is mostly white' when most of the big name publishers are from Japan, which is definition 'non-white'.
And they're only called 'white' here. In Japan, not stated otherwise, the Japanese view all characters as 'Japanese'. There was actually a paper on this.
No one would use/buy them because they aren't popular dances, so no it wouldn't. Most cultures would like to see their dances in a game to spread their cultural awareness. Black culture in the US (because of how slavery and all of the other atrocities went) doesn't see this as embracing and spreading their culture though, they see it as whitey making money off of their creation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Xd2xLAjDM this video isn't, like, scientific research or anything, but i found it interesting nonetheless.Rightfully so but thats yet another extent of how "white" everything is in games. If yall understand that.
Just think about it a lil more deeply. White America shits on Black people at every turn and unnecessarily make our lives more difficult. They have been plundering our minds, work product, and bodies from 1619 to 1965 for FREE. It's a little off putting for people to continually use and borrow from us without basic acknowledgment, while still shitting on us in nearly every meaningful avenue in life. Black people's only worth are sports, entertainment, and to get cool things from for most of White America. If you demand more than that as a human being, you are met with animus.Culture is meant to be shared and the US is the only place I've ever been where people do not embrace this and see it as a negative thing.
The fact that so many of you are not seeing the argument about THE LACK OF CREDIT is frustrating. Collective dismissal of Black America's cultural plight of being used & dismissed is so commonplace now. SMH. I thought Era was supposed to be better than this. Guess it's just another forum for anonymous voices to spread lack of understanding.
You are conflating two things here though. People claiming anime characters are all white are wrong. People saying that Smash lacking black characters isn't due to the 'whiteness' of the industry are also right, because the problem there isn't whiteness, it is Japanese-ness. Japanese people are just as capable of racism against black people as white people are, hell you are more likely to see blackface in a mainstream Japanese television program than you are an American one.Rightfully so but thats yet another extent of how "white" everything is in games. If yall understand that.
It does. It fucking does man..
Any reasoning you give me will be discrediting the popularity of black nintendo characters in order to justify the roster choices. Like seriously, I understand that but I cannot agree with it. There are 70 plus characters and not a single one is. You probably dont understand my point of view on this and I really dont expect you too but let me just say its disappointing regardless how much I love it. Thank god for black inklings and villagers but alternate colors do not stand in place for single characters.
A soundtrack made with popular songs and an emote made with a popular dance serve the same purpose - to either immerse the player, or give them more enjoyment of the interactive product. My point was that no one thinks twice about paying artists for transporting their creative work into a bonus feature of interactive entertainment, but with dance (which is also creative work) suddenly it's "I'm just going to trace this youtube video and animate it, boom, $5 dance emote pack".
Financial penalty should not be the only thing keeping you from giving credit where it's due for your billion dollar software.
Jet Li recently revealed that he was uncomfortable joining the original Matrix film, because he didn't want Warner Bros to own his motion captured martial arts moves forever, to resurrect like a zombie's corpse whenever they saw fit. Gaming companies have to have the official license of FIFA, NBA, NFL, etc, to motion capture players that are in the official players association, which is why Lebron's jumper actually looks like Lebron and not some generic hand animated jump shooting motion. The choreographers in Dance Central get credited for their routines on top of the artists getting their due.
In this case, the artists aren't even asking for money or other compensation. Just "don't change the name of my shit".
I made mention of this in a later post. I need to edit that one to reflect it because it seems everyone stops there.Just think about it a lil more deeply. White America shits on Black people at every turn and unnecessarily make our lives more difficult. They have been plundering our minds, work product, and bodies from 1619 to 1965 for FREE. It's a little off putting for people to continually use and borrow from us without basic acknowledgment, while stillvshitting on us in nearly every avenue in life. Black people's only worth are sports, entertainment, and to get cool things from for most of White America.
They have a whole website dedicated to black culture in and outside of sports. They can't just take the positive accolades and then say "eh we just cover sports" when they slip up.
At this point wouldnt it just be better for epic to hire a dance choreography to develop the dances in their game? Then they dont have to worry about backlash from taking from other cultures?