No it is not, and having this arrogant attitude in general creates more trouble than solutionsAmerica is the greatest country on Earth, but it's also a dystopian hellscape where you're being naive if you're not armed to the teeth.
No it is not, and having this arrogant attitude in general creates more trouble than solutionsAmerica is the greatest country on Earth, but it's also a dystopian hellscape where you're being naive if you're not armed to the teeth.
But owning a vehicle has utility beyond making you feel safe from a robbery you'll, statistically, never experience.Same thing with a vehicle but thats not really the point. Ideally though, gun ownership should require basic training and proficiency as getting a drivers license.
But owning a vehicle has utility beyond making you feel safe from a robbery you'll, statistically, never experience.
America is the greatest country on Earth, but it's also a dystopian hellscape where you're being naive if you're not armed to the teeth.
That's a bad analogy.Same thing with a vehicle but thats not really the point. Ideally though, gun ownership should require basic training and proficiency as getting a drivers license.
I should've been clearer. In this thread I'm talking about handguns. Which are generally used for self defense or fun.This isn't an accurate way of thinking. The purpose of a gun is to shot projectiles at very high velocities.
I own guns for both self defense and competition target shooting. Many other people have them for hunting as well.
This isn't an accurate way of thinking. The purpose of a gun is to shot projectiles at very high velocities.
I own guns for both self defense and competition target shooting. Many other people have them for hunting as well.
America is the greatest country indeed.
Needing to be armed to the teeth, lol thats just silly. Though if you live in a place like Detroit, well maybe it won't be such a bad idea.
Regardless, to stay on topic: We definitely need much more regulations. Guns aren't toys or casual products. We need to shift our culture to treat them very seriously.
This isn't an accurate way of thinking. The purpose of a gun is to shot projectiles at very high velocities.
I own guns for both self defense and competition target shooting. Many other people have them for hunting as well.
This broke me. I feel so bad for all these victims loved ones right now.
Bullshit. I've gone 32 years with out one. Chicago, Philly, Brooklyn/Queens. Somehow I survived just fine, while not feeling so fearful for my life that I felt the need to arm myself with a gun.America is the greatest country on Earth, but it's also a dystopian hellscape where you're being naive if you're not armed to the teeth.
This is the truth. Owning a gun is one of the best ways to increase the likelihood that you'll die (or be injured) because of a gun.
The people who don't want "only criminals" to be identifiably dangerous is because they seriously do think that a good guy with a gun is going to use up his dead eye meter saving the day. Weird how we've had over 300 shootings this year alone and that hasn't happened even once, even when trained law enforcement have been on scene.
I this it was said in jest
Same thing with a vehicle but thats not really the point. Ideally though, gun ownership should require basic training and proficiency as getting a drivers license.
I don't disagree with you, I think it's a low enough number statistically to be more or less irrelevant but there are shootings stopped by armed bystanders, the Sutherlands Springs church shooter was engaged by an armed civilian and was either fatally wounded by him or at the least forced to withdraw before being fatally wounded by police, not sure if they ever made the autopsy public and revealed who killed the shooter. So It does happen just not enough to be a serious suggestion in regards to the problem. On a slightly different tangent people use guns in self defense all the time, now I'm sure many of them weren't necessary, I don't know how you'd be able to prove that pulling a gun on an unarmed intruder or assailant was the only use of force that would have ended the situation but it's also equally silly to say that everyone who fended off someone with a firearm would have been able to do the same unarmed. Again, the math bears out that the more we reduce guns the safer everyone is so ultimately I'm in agreement with most of you all here I just don't think we should say an armed bystander or a person never uses their gun to save others or themselves.The people who don't want "only criminals" to be identifiably dangerous is because they seriously do think that a good guy with a gun is going to use up his dead eye meter saving the day. Weird how we've had over 300 shootings this year alone and that hasn't happened even once, even when trained law enforcement have been on scene.
Can't wait for America to continue to do nothing about this problem.
That is why I said continue in my post.Dude they've been doing nothing since Columbine, since Newtown. Now we just wait for the next mass shooting.
Soooo who's naive here then?
I have close family who moved to the US about 10 years ago who argue the same thing as you, and it blows my mind as a Canadian. They also tell me the horror stories that are everyday news and I see why American's feel this way.I'm not saying you need an arsenal or need to sleep with a pistol under your pillow. Stats don't matter to me. You get one life. Better to have it and never need it (hopefully I won't) than the other way around. You do you, but infringe on my rights.
So what does matter to you? The illusion of security? It's not real. Having a gun makes you more likely to be shot.
Bullshit. I've gone 32 years with out one. Chicago, Philly, Brooklyn/Queens. Somehow I survived just fine, while not feeling so fearful for my life that I felt the need to arm myself with a gun.
I've had moments in my life where I was so depressed that I thought about killing myself. I can't imagine how that might have gone if I had a gun in my possession.
When you introduce a gun it puts yourself and others in instant danger. Period. End of story.
No one needs a gun to protect themselves. Fuck off with this.
I can understand the hunting and sporting aspect, but owning a gun out of fear is some straight up corwardly horseshit.
EDIT: That was in response to the other post you were making fun of. Not towards you. It's just still pissing me the hell off lol
I'd love to leave, but I have nowhere to go.Serious question here, any of you Americans thinking of leaving the country?
No offense, but Americas situation looks absolutely fucked, and seems to just get worse.
Serious question here, any of you Americans thinking of leaving the country?
No offense, but Americas situation looks absolutely fucked, and seems to just get worse.
I suppose that is true.Try to keep in mind that nothing is ever as bad as international news makes it. You're getting the most sensational stories, and America is absolutely enormous. It's a really nice country to live in, with it's ups and downs, just like any other country.
I've lived in Japan for many years now, and while I prefer it to the states, they're still a really nice place to live.
I suppose that is true.
The 24/7 News cycle seems to have everyone on edge constantly.
That's stupid.
The Sutherland shooter killed himself. He was hit, not that it matters much to the 25 corpses he left behind. 26 if you count the unborn baby.I don't disagree with you, I think it's a low enough number statistically to be more or less irrelevant but there are shootings stopped by armed bystanders, the Sutherlands Springs church shooter was engaged by an armed civilian and was either fatally wounded by him or at the least forced to withdraw before being fatally wounded by police, not sure if they ever made the autopsy public and revealed who killed the shooter. So It does happen just not enough to be a serious suggestion in regards to the problem. On a slightly different tangent people use guns in self defense all the time, now I'm sure many of them weren't necessary, I don't know how you'd be able to prove that pulling a gun on an unarmed intruder or assailant was the only use of force that would have ended the situation but it's also equally silly to say that everyone who fended off someone with a firearm would have been able to do the same unarmed. Again, the math bears out that the more we reduce guns the safer everyone is so ultimately I'm in agreement with most of you all here I just don't think we should say an armed bystander or a person never uses their gun to save others or themselves.
According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.I'm not interested in being an outlier.
Of all the people who get murdered, raped, kidnapped, maimed etc what percentage of those crimes would have been avoided if only they didn't have or own gun? I really want to know the stat on that.
That's stupid.
Show me evidence that guns solve more problems that they cause.
No anecdotes... but actual stats.
Fucking shill...
I got rid of my guns because I didn't feel safe having them around roomates. It's naive to think the stats are in your favor when guns are around.
I'm not interested in being an outlier.
Of all the people who get murdered, raped, kidnapped, maimed etc what percentage of those crimes would have been avoided if only they didn't have or own gun? I really want to know the stat on that.
And my state is burning down again with a town wiped off the map.Because our country is just a giant clusterfuck right now. There are literally so many things happening this moment, a midterm election with Jim Crow-level voter suppression is still going during national protests against the President.
These victims are going to go tragically ignored by a ton of people.
Good guys with guns stop a crime less than 3% of the time. Youre living in a fantasy world and are the only one being naive.I'm certainly not in favor of banning guns. Restrictions sure, but not an outright ban. If you don't keep a gun in your house you are very naive.
Last year was the first year violent crime rose in over 20+ years. Again, your sense of reality is out of whack,I'm not interested in being an outlier.
Of all the people who get murdered, raped, kidnapped, maimed etc what percentage of those crimes would have been avoided if only they didn't have or own gun? I really want to know the stat on that.
Then you better never go on an airplane, amusement park, see a doctor, drive a car-hell go outisde. Sure most of those activities show us that you likely wont die but better to bs safe!I'm not saying you need an arsenal or need to sleep with a pistol under your pillow. Stats don't matter to me. You get one life. Better to have it and never need it (hopefully I won't) than the other way around. You do you, but infringe on my rights.
I'm not saying you need an arsenal or need to sleep with a pistol under your pillow. Stats don't matter to me. You get one life. Better to have it and never need it (hopefully I won't) than the other way around. You do you, but infringe on my rights.
Most break-ins happen during the day, if memory serves, when no one is actually home for this very reason.Say I'm a home invader bent on burglarizing you. I've busted into your home, not knowing you were there. You wake up, grab your gun, and we spot each other in the living room.
I see that you have a gun in your hands. I am in your house. You have every right to defend your property from me with deadly force. You probably will, because you have a gun in your hands.
I am going to try to shoot you. I probably wouldn't have before. But now I need to.
If you have reasonable fear that you are going to be randomly targeted for murder, rape, maiming, or kidnapping, then it's reasonable to keep a gun for self-defense. But the most likely scenario is going to be the one I just described. And in that situation, as awful and unfair as it may be, you are endangering yourself by carrying a gun.