Is it though? Judging by a lot of replies in this thread we're not quite there.
Maybe so.
Is it though? Judging by a lot of replies in this thread we're not quite there.
I'm just going off of OP's trajectory, he seems to want to talk about all cultures, but also wants to make it about black folk specifically. Even i have a hard time following.
That's just stealing from others and calling it your own.They call Shoot, "Hype"
Milly Rock is called "Swipe It" or something
Ad Nauseam posters keep coming and recycling the same tired views and excuses. Its so easy to tell who hasn't read the thread.
I think that's obvious. The question is, is fortnite dances the right topic to address that.
"black music really has gotten fucked when it comes to white culture appropriating our designs" is a much better conversation topic whether some fortnite dance is giving credit to some individual artist.
So black people don't annoy him when they call it a Fortnite dance, only white people annoy him? Or black people always acknowledge the original dance? Are the whites deliberately robbing this man of the recognition he deserves or are just ignorant unlike the blacks? It's difficult to piece this all together.
Exactly. The condescending posts in this thread are annoying as hell.So you'd never associate line dancing or square dancing with country music, for example? Country music being a representation of a specific kind of culture residing in the United States.
Those are just the first two dances that come to mind; I'm sure I could go a bit further down that rabbit hole with some effort.
It's something you've never thought of because you've never had to think of it, which is kind of the point of the argument people are making, You don't think about it because everything is stripped down when it's given to you, which is where the erasure comes from. Not being familiar with the culture has little to do with it; the solution to that is for them to not rebrand everything so that when you see "Milly Rock" named in a video game, you can just go look it up and figure out where it comes from.
Right. Decades worth of this shit across multiple forms of entertainment has been happening to black people ever since we had the ability to record music.Honestly, I feel like this topic needs to be brought up with a history lesson. Saying "Fortnite took a bunch of dances from black artists" may draw a response of "well, who cares" by itself, but it looks a lot worse when you start from ragtime and then work your way through all of America's unique cultural phenomenons and see how many were taken.
I haven't had black people call it the "Fortnite Dance". I've heard this from white people exclusively.
My friends and I will dance, and when the move comes out, white people point and say "look! he's doing the Fortnite hahaha"
Reappropiating black culture for popular entertainment is as old as slavery.
This seems like an issue huger than Fortnite, to movies and all media, and OPs badly worded posts ain't helping his cause to drive in the point, at points also quite unsure what OP is dissatisfied with:
White people using "black dances" they came to know through Fortnite but not black people? White people profiting off them (OP unsure if Epic has POC employees)?
Black people not getting credited for their dances or everyone?
Nevertheless, I do agree this is something whole entertainment industry could do better on, pay homage or something.
How the fuck is anyone supposed to discuss this when any opposing viewpoint is dismissed as trolling or thread whining?
Sorry bruh but sometimes, you just get it twisted.
Your argument is incredibly specific to your personal situation, then.
You'd have to assume it's a dance all black people know or only black people can perform, for your example to have any validity.
If you're dancing a move that most people will recognise from Fortnite, then... what's the surprise here?
Ive seen your posts on other sensitive threads, you're a troll. Nobody is going to waste time engaging your OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS when you're only here to dismiss others and waste time.
Go ask some black posters if they've ran into the same issue. Its not as personal as you think.
Well my roommate and one of my best friends is black and is legit laughing at the thread and is convinced you're joking... so there's that
Are you for real?Well my roommate and one of my best friends is black and is legit laughing at the thread and is convinced you're joking... so there's that
Bullshit mate. You're having a whinge without even doing a bare minimum of research.Ive seen your posts on other sensitive threads, you're a troll. Nobody is going to waste time engaging your OPPOSING VIEWPOINTS when you're only here to dismiss others and waste time.
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There are many problems with racial issues in the world. This isn't one of them. Epic is ripping off everyone and is not directed at one particular race or culture like a genre of music is. Dancing, in general, has been a part of all cultures. The problem I see most having is you've forced this into something specific that it isn't. Not that there are not larger issues, overall.They want our Rhythm but not our Blues....
I got that from a girl on Twitter lol, I could front like EPIC but it takes no effort from me to admit where I find things.
Bullshit mate. You're having a whinge without even doing a bare minimum of research.
"White people making money off black culture.... do epic even have black devs..... oh they do.... thanks, but..."
Whilst completely ignoring the facts that:
1. Fortnite features dances from many cultures
2. Most, if not all of those dances borrow, or "appropriate bits an pieces of other cultures themselves.
Stop assuming that anyone who doesnt swallow what you're pushing whole is trying to troll.
Are there many Fortnite dances in the game that are "stolen" from black culture..?
You're the one talking out of your arse.Bullshit mate. You're having a whinge without even doing a bare minimum of research.
"White people making money off black culture.... do epic even have black devs..... oh they do.... thanks, but..."
Whilst completely ignoring the facts that:
1. Fortnite features dances from many cultures
2. Most, if not all of those dances borrow, or "appropriate bits an pieces of other cultures themselves.
Stop assuming that anyone who doesnt swallow what you're pushing whole is trying to troll.
lol, are you really doing the "one of my black friends" things right now?Well my roommate and one of my best friends is black and is legit laughing at the thread and is convinced you're joking... so there's that
Contextually, yes, simply for the fact that jacking without paying homage to the source material is a staple, especially when it comes to borrowing from the contributions made by black people. It just wouldn't be as big of an issue because there'd be less people being influenced by altered perspectives.Would this even be an issue if Fortnite wasnt as popular as it is?
Anyway its good cultural exchange and brings people together.
Naw it's a two way street. I'm sure JB, 2 milly, etc have gained clicks and exposure from the game.Tbh if the rappers care that much they should copyright it like Soulja Boy. Id like them to at least put "inspired by..." in the dance description, but Epic aren't just going to give away money if they dont have to.
Hip hop is the most popular genre of music in America. And is mostly consumed by white youth. 2 of the 3 major American sports are predominantly black. Our slang. Our fashion. It's at the forefront of pop culture. It is what it is tho. I ain't mad at it.
"Black is in fashion."
The exploitation of black culture is the crux of the issue. Blacks continue to be exploited by corporate America. Who does the exploiting is irrelevant.So the thread starts to be about theft of dance moves, which is being interpreted as intellectual property...why does race come into this? And why would it be any less shady if the "theft" was being done by a company with a bunch of POC in it?
Trust. I know better.Thats how it is for sure, but we still get penalized for participating. Don't let confuse Black being in fashion as genuine acceptance.
Naw it's a two way street. I'm sure JB, 2 milly, etc have gained clicks and exposure from the game.
So the thread starts to be about theft of dance moves, which is being interpreted as intellectual property...why does race come into this? And why would it be any less shady if the "theft" was being done by a company with a bunch of POC in it?
But how? They don't credit the source! What am I searching for?
The Hype Dance?!
If the dude who does the shoot can do so using moves from other cultures/dances without crediting them, why is it so imperative that Epic credit him?You're the one talking out of your arse.
Specifically the fact you're angling point number 2 like it's a point in your favour?
lol, are you really doing the "one of my black friends" things right now?
Well since I'm black, i cancel him out and then one of the other black people in this thread gets to override any sort of validation there.
Contextually, yes, simply for the fact that jacking without paying homage to the source material is a staple, especially when it comes to borrowing from the contributions made by black people. It just wouldn't be as big of an issue because there'd be less people being influenced by altered perspectives.
I don't think a lot of white people, which I am, truly understand the concept of cultural appropriation or cultural erasure. That's not to say that everyone who disagrees with the OP is white, but I've just never noticed white people get upset about cultural appropriation or erasure. I don't know if it's truly possible to understand it unless you're a minority.
That's actually a bad example. If the black persons you ask aren't privy to the dance/song then it misses the entire point.Lol yeah I am! Op said to ask other black people so I did, and that was the response I got. Sorry it contradicts what you believe
If the dude who does the shoot can do so using moves from other cultures/dances without crediting them, why is it so imperative that Epic credit him?
That's actually a bad example. If the black persons you ask aren't privy to the dance/song then it misses the entire point.
There are black posters in this thread who have been told "tell us how you really feel about black culture" and worse when they said you've been hyperbolic and more or less talking out your arse. There are other minorities who take a very different view to you in this thread, as someone with close family ties to NZ I love this post which has gone largely unnoticed and can echo the sentiment;Go ask some black posters if they've ran into the same issue. Its not as personal as you think.
The dances used in games are from all over the place, from shuffling, memes and kpop to the dances from anime opening songs. One example from Guild Wars 2 (LoL also has a separate instance of this) was the war like bull-people using the Haka, a war dance originating from my countries Māori culture, and afaik it presence is usually seen as a positive thing to have more representation of a culture that Pakeha had tried to erase in the past, but that could also become problematic depending on the depiction. They wanted to have a space-haka in James Camerons Avatar, and the reaction was mostly that it was cringe.
What I want to know is why Soulja Boy thinks his wack gimmick dance moves would be featured in 2018 with or without him copyrighting them.
It's hard to explain. If he isn't a fan of the dances then you might as well ask any random guy. Ask a black person is a weak experiment as being black and participating in black culture aren't the same thing.
If the dude who does the shoot can do so using moves from other cultures/dances without crediting them, why is it so imperative that Epic credit him?
Ain't no talking to this man bI need you to understand you are a TROLL.
Your asspull of an idea that JB took other moves to make the shoot is completely unfounded. Its Tales from my Ass.
Then you're in the thread mad that nobody takes you seriously. Posters are aware of your shit Benita, Id stick to Alts from now on and scrap this account.
There are black posters in this thread who have been told "tell us how you really feel about black culture" and worse when they said you've been hyperbolic and more or less talking out your arse. There are other minorities who take a very different view to you in this thread, as someone with close family ties to NZ I love this post which has gone largely unnoticed and can echo the sentiment;
New Zealand isn't perfect but overall its a shining example of two vastly different cultures meeting and turning into their own. All I'm getting from OP is segregation, hostility and hatred when both the artist and the game originate from American culture, what is the end game? Its mine and you can't have it? The logical extension is that the reverse is also acceptable. Overstand this;
https://youtu.be/bv_GEGT0RMw
It's hard to explain. If he isn't a fan of the dances then you might as well ask any random guy. Ask a black person is a weak experiment as being black and participating in black culture aren't the same thing.
It's the whole basis for "this is America" they know. It's just not their problem to solve.In 2018 peeps still don't recognize that it has been predominantly black cults that has helped the US with its soft power influence of the whole world.
Yet that the profits stemming from said culture never made its way into the community where it came from.
How don't people understand that this is an issue?