Okay, so this is a thread about copyright and crediting creators rather than anything else.
Piggybacking an agenda shouldn't be part of the discussion and would have provided much better and honest results.
Okay, so this is a thread about copyright and crediting creators rather than anything else.
I need you to understand you're being childish and combative for no apparent reason.I need you to understand you are a TROLL.
Your asspull of an idea that JB took other moves to make the shoot is completely unfounded. Its Tales from my Ass.
Then you're in the thread mad that nobody takes you seriously. Posters are aware of your shit Benita, Id stick to Alts from now on and scrap this account.
This is a such a silly hypothetical. This hypothetical POC company would credit the source!
Isn't that how every change starts? Because someone just say so (and other people think the same and follow)?
Okay, so this is a thread about copyright and crediting creators rather than anything else.
Piggybacking an agenda shouldn't be part of the discussion and would have provided much better and honest results.
I need you to understand you're being childish and combative for no apparent reason.
Unfounded? How so? You haven't actually refuted anything I've said.
Sorry mate, that's your hypothetical I'm reading back to you. Your OP says "how many black people even work for epic". If your point wasn't "having lots of POC working for Epic would make this theft less egregious" then I'm sorry, you haven't made your points clear enough.
Still doesn't cover my original question of what does race have to do with theft.
I've pretty clearly laid out why I dont think this is as serious an issue as you do, and why it's a touch hypocritical to be mad at epic whilst ignoring blocboy for doing something similar.I want you to engage me when Ive offered nothing of substance : The Post
When OP can't refute perfectly well-made points: the post.I didn't read the OP nor watch the video : The Post
I want you to engage me when Ive offered nothing of substance : The Post
Im going to ignore the relationship of the US and Black Culture : The Post
I've pretty clearly laid out why I dont think this is as serious an issue as you do, and why it's a touch hypocritical to be mad at epic whilst ignoring blocboy for doing something similar.
You can disagree, but you cant claim I'm not saying anything.
Ughh, it is a dance.
I have never heard of MJ going out of his way to stop people from using all his iconic moves.
If MJ couldn't copyright/trademark his routines, ain't nobody can then.
Because everyone is calling it the Moonwalk and everything is crediting MJ. It'll be like if MJ did it and then Justin Bieber or Justin Timberlake came around did the exact same move, called it something else and got credited for it.
My bigger problem is that op just wants to shut down any rational discourse over this issue.This thread sounds more like OP wanting to find a larger controversy than there really is.
Unfortunately, pretty much. I find it very disappointing and disheartening that this thread has seemingly not been created in good faith.
Why do you feel the need to frame a discussion as a "battle"?If you don't think its serious, I don't see why you're battling me over this. Move on? What you need? Validation?
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Im going to ignore the relationship of the US and Black Culture : The Post
This shit is disgusting and battle royale is a blight on gaming. My nephews are obsessed with the stupid Fortnite and have no idea about any other games
My bigger problem is that op just wants to shut down any rational discourse over this issue.
Most posters seem to agree that a small credit to the artists would be fine. Trying to turn this into some race issue is just counterproductive at best.
Why do you feel the need to frame a discussion as a "battle"?
You decided to put your thoughts here in writing so why are you escalating shit sky high because people disagree with you?
Go write a blog and turn the comments off if you aren't interested in having a chat.
I'm English. And white. So why don't you help provide that context, since you obviously have it and I don't, to the discussion instead of posting stupid responses like this? I thought you wanted an actual discussion but your responses read like you aren't interested.
My bigger problem is that op just wants to shut down any rational discourse over this issue.
Most posters seem to agree that a small credit to the artists would be fine. Trying to turn this into some race issue is just counterproductive at best.
In 2018 peeps still don't recognize that it has been predominantly black cults that has helped the US with its soft power influence of the whole world.
Yet that the profits stemming from said culture never made its way into the community where it came from.
How don't people understand that this is an issue?
What are you talking about?"Discussion"
Was this a discussion? Or was all of this an attempt to say Im wrong and leave it at that.
"Give people credit"
BUT BUT THEN THEYLL HAVE TO PAY & LEGAL AND....
Not much to discuss after that.
Agreed.My bigger problem is that op just wants to shut down any rational discourse over this issue.
Most posters seem to agree that a small credit to the artists would be fine. Trying to turn this into some race issue is just counterproductive at best.
Yes, it involves black people. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable since you know, those blacks always make it about race and everything.
What are you talking about?
I didnt say anything about "PAY & LEGAL".
Or are you simply admitting that you dont think there is a single valid reply here other than "Yeah OP nailed it"?
Yes, Benita. This was all a ruse to generate shallow praise so I can hopefully be looked at as a Prominent ERA Member. You figured me out.
grrrr... Would have gotten away with it too if wasn't for you meddling kids.
Benita is not saying that; they are saying that you are bad at discourse. I would agree. If you want to have a discussion, OP, actually be prepared to actively discuss people's points rather than shutting them down. Maybe go look up Critical Thinking on Sparknotes.
Yes, Benita. This was all a ruse to generate shallow praise so I can hopefully be looked at as a Prominent ERA Member. You figured me out.
grrrr... Would have gotten away with it too if wasn't for you meddling kids.
@OP did you know that the stadium chant used in every soccer game is actually a Seven Nation Army song.
This is what culture is about. You take something familiar and make it something new.
People are out there connecting and having fun in a time when every hates each other. And you try to slap their wrists.
If you're so sure that you've responded to their points, at least point us toward your posts rather than coming across so condescending and just telling us that you've already responded in kind.Again, Ive given more than enough view and insight all throughout the thread.
Its ironic as fuck everyone wants to accuse me of shutting down discourse and that behavior took place on Page 1.
Irony so thick, Ill spread it on my toast this morning.
The problem is, when someone disagrees with you, your immediate reaction is to try and paint them as a racist. That's fucked up.
If you're so sure that you've responded to their points, at least point us toward your posts rather than coming across so condescending and just telling us that you've already responded in kind.
@OP did you know that the stadium chant used in every soccer game is actually a Seven Nation Army song.
This is what culture is about. You take something familiar and make it something new.
People are out there connecting and having fun in a time when every hates each other. And you try to slap their wrists.
Nah, its not that. Its mainly that y'all will be the same ones shitting bricks about Diablo being a mobile game but can't see any issue happening here.
Lol the fuck.Nah, its not that. Its mainly that y'all will be the same ones shitting bricks about Diablo being a mobile game but can't see any issue happening here.
I've made my points earlier in the thread, I'll happily link them to you if you want proof.Nah, its not that. Its mainly that y'all will be the same ones shitting bricks about Diablo being a mobile game but can't see any issue happening here.
Your only posts in the thread is you fucking complaining about me and the subject. But I gotta dig through and spoonfeed you?
Fuck off with this shit. Not that it actually matters but I've actually said I'm excited for the Diablo mobile game. You're making a shit ton of shitty assumptions that anyone who disagrees with you is a piece of shit.
And it IS that. If you want I'll happily go through the thread and quote the posts from you an others that are blantly playing the 'If you don't agree then you're racist' card.
I've said this like 3 times already, but your overall point of Epic not giving credit to creators is valid. But you're turning this issue into something completely different, implying it's a racist one and that anyone who disagress with you is a racist. You've done it to me a couple of times, even when I've explicit said I agree with your overall point. Piss right off if you're going to try and paint me as a racist, or some 'gamer' who rages about mobile games when you actually know fuck all about me. The ONLY issue I've had here is you continually trying to paint anyone who disagrees with you as a racist. It's pretty appalling.
In 2018 peeps still don't recognize that it has been predominantly black cults that has helped the US with its soft power influence of the whole world.
Yet that the profits stemming from said culture never made its way into the community where it came from.
How don't people understand that this is an issue?
You realise you're comparing a massively famous and well known single to relatively unknown/underground dances?
At this point, OP is acting in bad faith, because almost no one is agreeing with him.
Again for the cheap seats.
So you trying to divorce this from race if laughable.
I don't know what your question is and I think you may be getting the wrong impression by my response.Another way of looking at it, maybe: IYO is it unreasonable for that rapper to be concerned that Fortnite appropriating his moves early on in an attempt to repackage it as Fortnite stuff could potentially be like if Soulja Boy's dance was used in the most popular game at the time and then made more famous by that game than via Soulja Boy, preventing him from becoming Soulja Boy (which isn't saying much tbh, dude isn't exactly K-Dot, but at least everyone knows him for the thing he made popular to begin with)?
Again, Ive given more than enough view and insight all throughout the thread.
Its ironic as fuck everyone wants to accuse me of shutting down discourse and that behavior took place on Page 1.
Irony so thick, Ill spread it on my toast this morning.
You all really don't realize that the big issue is that Fortnite and EPIC is profiting off of this?
Its like you guys go out your way to make this okay.
Thank you.
Thread is swimming in the privilege of not having to ever deal with this shit at all.
No-one. Its a "Fortnite Dance" now.
Cultural Erasure is when you're wiping the source connection to something.
Its what happened when Elvis was brought in to sell Black Music to white people because they were too damn racist to enjoy the music from Black Entertainers to begin with.
Another good example is White People thinking their entitled to say the N-Word because Hip-Hop is a global culture they partake in. Uhhh no, Hip-Hop is a reflection of our truths and a cultural lifestyle. Its incredibly honest and it was marketed that way to be transparent, but people don't get to claim ownership over the way we dress, talk, and interact simply because its global now.
Especially when we're demonized for partaking in our own stuff we create.
Obviously Im referring to dances that originate from Black Culture.
I really wish y'all would use your brains. You posters are the main ones crying about CONTEXT when its convenient, but quick to ignore shit when you want to make points.
Shit gets tiring.
JB BlocBoy invented the Shoot. Nobody did that shit before him.
2Milly invented the Milly Rock, again nobody before him.
Y'all really trying out here.
Its absolutely fair to mention that Fortnite gets targeted because its the most popular.
Then again, nobodies calling them "Overwatch Dances", or "Destiny Dances"
Again, I have no problems with people doing the dances, have fun. The shit is fun.
But when you're robbing the origin to replace it with Fortnite is where the Black Community looks at everyone funny.
Put it like this, If White Suburban Moms ACTUALLY saw who came up with these dances and where they're from, they'd tell their kids to stop doing it in a heartbeat.
I have a goddamn video citing the origin of the Shoot and y'all sitting here stuck in your own perspective.....
Both those dances are fairly fucking unique and you can find youtube videos of them doing them BEFORE they even blew up.
But y'all don't wanna believe me because you're fucking right. You always are.
We talking bout the Milly Rock and the Shoot and these clowns talking bout Michael Jackson.
So damn transparent
You can read the OP and see Im cool with kids having fun
or you can post and make shit up
DABS FURIOUSLY
Actually, No! I dont!
This isn't the dab! Its the "Smell my Pits"!
Its worth letting them know, no matter how much it annoys the fuck out of them
Lets try to not pretend that Black Culture is widely considered American culture.....
Yeah by definition it is, but we gonna ignore the vast amount of racist white majority who otherize us to the point of creating a "Black Culture" sub-category?
Its funny how y'all try to include us in the AMERICAN story whenever you want to attack us for taking on our own identity
An Identity we had to create because we weren't included in the first place.....
and Fortnite stole that from the Koreans
This specific issue is not a whites vs black issue, like OP is trying to make it out to be. It literally can't be a black specific issue when most of the dances and emotes involved in the discussion don't come from black culture. There is a discussion to be had here but it's not one about race. I've said like 5 times now that I'm totally on board with the creators getting credit.
This also has absolutely nothing to do with the post if mine that you quoted, which was about OP throwing out the 'well you're a racist' card to anyone who disagrees with him.