I'm white I can clearly understand where the OP is coming from, stop trying to "all lives matter" this discussion.
How isn't the issue of minority representation (black) a race loaded question?
You pointing to other emote/moves that aren't specific from US black culture doesn't in any fucking way a counter to what the OP is saying.
And about you're racist card it kinda is kinda racist to trivialize/defend how minority culture is appropriated by the majority with no recognition or compensation give to the minority group.
I don't know what your question is and I think you may be getting the wrong impression by my response.
My point above is it's hard to re-appropriate source material of a massively mainstream hit single where most people know the artist that made it.
The example of the football chant he used isn't the same thing as Fortnite and Dancing. Fortnite is mining more underground dances and cultures for content for their mainstream game. Epic are obscuring the link between source and content.
Many many many posters here have said they'd like to see recognition or a reference for the dance moves. Try again.And about you're racist card it kinda is kinda racist to trivialize/defend how minority culture is appropriated by the majority with no recognition or compensation give to the minority group.
Not according to the OP though:You realise you're comparing a massively famous and well known single to relatively unknown/underground dances?
@OP did you know that the stadium chant used in every soccer game is actually a Seven Nation Army song.
This is what culture is about. You take something familiar and make it something new.
People are out there connecting and having fun in a time when every hates each other. And you try to slap their wrists.
I'm not trivialising anything, is my point. This is an issue, regardless of the culture or the origin of the dance. The creators should get credit, no matter what race they are or where they're from. There's like 50 dances in Fortnite, with NONE of the creators getting credit, many of whom are white, asian, eastern european, black, hispanic. No compensation is being given to ANY group, which is why it's such bad faith to try and boil this down to a whites vs black issue like OP is trying to do.
The fact that you somehow took my posts as me defining the appropriation of a minority culture is actually baffling.
Edit: And just to add, I'd be in support of OP if he was just phrasing this as a "I'm sick of black cuture getting used and us not getting the credit" general argument, because that definitely happens and is an issue. But that's NOT what's happening her with Epic and Fortnite. There's no appropriation specific to black cuture, they're taking shit from tons of cultures and using it without giving credit. My issue here is OP calling anyone racist if they doesn't see this specific issue as an attack on black culture.
Sorry, this is a load of shit, I couldn't tell you where Flossing originates from - I first heard of it through Fortnite, and I still couldn't tell you where it originates from.Not according to the OP though:
"And before you say "FoRtNiTe MaDe tHeM PoPuLaR"....... No, these dances made it to Fortnite BECAUSE they were already popular. You got it backwards"
The comparison to SNA is pretty much exactly the same if we're looking at OP's argument. Although I would say that the those that hear SNA at a football game will look up the song and find out who the band is pretty easily. Whereas a lot of people will stop short of a "Fortnite Dance" and leave it as that, with the artist not getting noticed.
Although tbh I fall into this camp slightly, the "Running Man" will forever be known as a PlayStation Home dance as far as im concerned lol
I'm not telling you that at all. I was replying to someone who was suggesing that these dances being unknown strengthens the argument in the OP but the OP said that the dance was already popular - not me.Sorry, this is a load of shit, I couldn't tell you where Flossing originates from - I first heard of it through Fortnite, and I still couldn't tell you where it originates from.
I could hum the bassline of Seven Nation Army and start smacking a table and most people in a random sample would be able to tell me the name of the song and/or the artists.
It's not the same thing, how many people knew about the flossing dance before Fortnite? Are you telling me it's just a coincidence that flossing became popular at the same time Fortnite did?
So you agree that there is an issue but OP shouldn't raise it cause it isn't only a black v white issue?
Surely you can understand OP since this has historically happened a boatload of times.
Like I said this is another in a long line of times where specific black culture has made revenue for people who aren't part of that culture.
Well me and OP may disagree on the part about how popular the dance moves are but I I still agree wholesale with the message of his argument.I'm not telling you that at all. I was replying to someone who was suggesing that these dances being unknown strengthens the argument in the OP but the OP said that the dance was already popular - not me.
This is actually not true in my experience. A lot of younger people here in Europe know Seven Nation Army only from the football chants and so they either go 'Oh, it's that football chant' or 'Hehehe, it's 'All Germans are gay'" (the Dutch homophobic version of the chant, because we Dutch are assholes).I could hum the bassline of Seven Nation Army and start smacking a table and most people in a random sample would be able to tell me the name of the song and/or the artists.
I can say the same thing, I knew the origin of the floss (backpack kid in live Katy Perry show on tv last year) before fortnite, and most people did, it got pretty popular on the internet before fortnite.Sorry, this is a load of shit, I couldn't tell you where Flossing originates from - I first heard of it through Fortnite, and I still couldn't tell you where it originates from.
I could hum the bassline of Seven Nation Army and start smacking a table and most people in a random sample would be able to tell me the name of the song and/or the artists.
It's not the same thing, how many people knew about the flossing dance before Fortnite? Are you telling me it's just a coincidence that flossing became popular at the same time Fortnite did?
Watching the video in the OP I dunno why does would have an issue with a credit being thrown in somewhere.
Where did I say OP shouldn't raise the issue? You're reading my post and extracting stuff that isn't there, it's really weird.
So to see where you stand, if Epic removed all the dances that came from black culture, and continued to use the ones from hispanic creators, eastern European, Asian creators etc, still without compensation or credit, would you be fine with that?
If not, then it's clearly not a black specific issue and OP has no right to say that anyone who disagrees with him is racist against black people. If yes, then I feel like you need to explain that.
And I'm saying that ignoring the black v white issue and representation of it is an issue.
That you wanna talk about other cultures is fine since I don't tend to tell minorities what they are allowed to argue against unlike you.
Why are you trying to derail and turn this into a black V white issue when it is not that.And I'm saying that ignoring the black v white issue and representation of it is an issue.
That you wanna talk about other cultures is fine since I don't tend to tell minorities what they are allowed to argue against unlike you.
How the hell does "black vs white" end up in a conversation about the dances in Fortnite? This is solely an issue of Epic not citing sources, not some weird racial issue.And I'm saying that ignoring the black v white issue and representation of it is an issue.
That you wanna talk about other cultures is fine since I don't tend to tell minorities what they are allowed to argue against unlike you.
I think that kid came up with the dance.
How the hell does "black vs white" end up in a conversation about the dances in Fortnite? This is solely an issue of Epic not citing sources, not some weird racial issue.
Why are you trying to derail and turn this into a black V white issue when it is not that.
How the hell does "black vs white" end up in a conversation about the dances in Fortnite? This is solely an issue of Epic not citing sources, not some weird racial issue.
OPs point was that Fortnite using dances from black people without credit is emblematic of systemic racism in the USA.
Make it stop
Sorry this bothers you so much OP, but surely you realize that most people, and especially kids, aren't really interested in knowing if some meme or cultural element isn't original, and in giving credit to the original creators.I should be able to 'shoot' in public without someone saying "HAHA, Its that dance from Fortnite!" Thats really fucking annoying to hear from white people.
Fucking lol!
OP talks about how black devs aren't represented and how stuff is taken from black culture and y'all be like "how is this a black v white issue".
Talking cultural appropriation and representation with whypipo is draining.
Fucking lol!
OP talks about how black devs aren't represented and how stuff is taken from black culture and y'all be like "how is this a black v white issue".
Talking cultural appropriation and representation with whypipo is draining.
exactly.. and when someone then mentions, that EPIC does this for all cultures and people in the game, that this is not something they do only to spite the black people, then the problem starts.
It is clearly a problem in the world today, black history/culture is "erased" by white people, to make it look like they created it.. BUT it does not look like EPIC is trying to do this with Fortnite, because they do this for all emotes/dances, they are not just not crediting Black creators.
This "All Dances need Credit" is just as banal, nonsensical, draining and reductive as "All Lives Matter" responses are....
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BLACK LIVES MATTER
No.. ALL LIVES MATTER
Okay.... So we're in agreement? Black Lives DO Matter because ALL Lives Do? Correct?
.... ALL LIVES MATTER!
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Black Culture needs to be credited in Fortnite
No... ALL Culture needs to be credited in Fortnite
Okay... So we're in agreement? Black Culture should be credited because ALL Culture should be credited? Correct?
.... ALL Culture needs to be credited in Fortnite
OK mate, keep trying to bait people out with your race war nonsense. We're talking about fucking dance emotes in video games.
For all you know, the suggestions for including said dances could have been put forward by POC on the dev team but I'm sure you'll tell me how Epic's hiring policies are discriminatory too.
How is it any more a white v black issue than say, a white v Hispanic one? Still talking specifically about Fortnite and the dances, because they took uncredited dances/emote from hispanic creators too.
Holy shit the OP explains pretty fucking clear that this is about black culture.
Your the one trying to make it into something else.
Holy shit.
What TF is the deal with white people trying to excuse cultural appropriation with pointing to other cultures being appropriated?
Listen, if someone who is Hispanic want to raise the issue of Latino culture being appropriated then I'm SURE AS FUCK not going to try and shot them down by pointing to other cultures that are appropriated.
The difference is, Black Lives Matters stands to protest the overall treatment of black people, who have undoubtedly not been treated as equals compared to white people. That's not what's happening here with Fortnite and their dances/emotes, creators from all races and cultures are being treated the same. There is no racial issue in this specific example that you brought up and created a thread about.
Seriously, you work in a school. How have you managed to get a job in a school when you clearly can't read.
Holy shit the OP explains pretty fucking clear that this is about black culture.
Your the one trying to make it into something else.
I have said it thousands of times over man.
Fortnite is treating everyone the same. Ive never said EPIC is some secret cabal attacking Black Culture.
The fact of the matter is that this type of behavior affects our Culture more due to historical practices committed in US History. This is fact. Our Culture will have a different relationship in regards to issue than others because the others being affected like this don't have the history of oppression like we do.
Ive stated this over and over.
I will not say this again.
Lol! Someone has run out of arguments!
Your just like the kids in school trying to excuse their bad behavior by pointing to others.
Its a continuation of the same cultural erasure that has happened throughout history, esp in regards to Hip-Hop.
I should be able to 'shoot' in public without someone saying "HAHA, Its that dance from Fortnite!" Thats really fucking annoying to hear from white people.
I haven't at all, you just don't read anything I actually post and instead try to argue against something else entirely.
It is stated in the OP:Lol, says the person who exclusively seems to think this is a "black v white" issue.
Honestly mate, take a day off.
...but if EPIC is primarily a white development company, that makes all this shit even more devious and suspect