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Here is the thing I come back to.

Trumps best asset is the media. Media shows his rallies. Hangs on his every word.

Beto has that factor. Media LOVES him. Like they did Obama. They will show his gigantic rallies. Fawn over his movement.

And it would drive Trump fucking insane to see someone draw much bigger rallies than him.

As sad as it is, this can not be underestimated. Someone who can hold media attention is going to be very necessary.

I am not sure on Beto running for President, I'll need to think about it some more, but he is one of the people that I can see seizing and holding media attention.
 

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People have and will call Beto a "celebrity" like they did Obama but that's a strength. I mean we have a reality TV celebrity as President who had name ID and could get attention in 2016. Beto can steal the constant news coverage around Trump which denies Trump the power to always define the topic of debate.
 

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People have and will call Beto a "celebrity" like they did Obama but that's a strength. I mean we have a reality TV celebrity as President who had name ID and could get attention in 2016. Beto can steal the constant news coverage around Trump which denies Trump the power to always define the topic of debate.
That's Betos biggest strength and it can't be ignored. Trump has dictated the news cycle since the 16 primaries. Beto is the only politician since then who has that it factor who can be the magnet for media attention to have them hang on their every word.

He is the first politician of this last decade after Obama and Trump to seem to have that ability. If he can transition that nationally he will extremely difficult to stop.
 

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So they admit that Christie and Bondi as candidates was a sham designed to generate "good" press?
Well I mean I can't imagine him getting confirmed by the Senate and if loyalty is a prerequisite Bondi should be close to the top of the list

I mean the whole "likes and trusts" means Cheeto thinks Whitaker will limit the Mueller investigation, (almost) everything else be damned
 

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So if Nelson pulls this out, we're only really looking at a net loss of 1 Senate seat since 2016. That's pretty miraculous considering the map.
 

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Beto can definitely drown out Trump and FOX's megaphone - as much as Trump is good at messaging, literally every single trivial thing Beto did in this cycle got coverage and became national headlines and he's not playing by the old school book of politics.

I actually think he's the solution to the Dems' every potential problem for 2020 - he can unite the party, catering to both progressives and "centrist" Democrats, hold rallies in packed stadiums all around the country, go on a road trip all over the swing states and make Trump look like the gross, obese, low energy clown he actually is on a debate stage.

Every time I was on Facebook the last 2 weeks prior to the election beto was live. He knows how to directly leverage social media, which is ethical and more effective than trolls.
 

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Come on. If this guy can get confirmed after all the shit's that's been dug out on him in the last 24 hours, this Republic's truly lost.


There is only one ~-Moderate Darling-~ vote in the senate that should concern Republicans on confirmation and once January hits, they have 50 votes to confirm him without Murkowski.

He'll get confirmed.
 

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People have and will call Beto a "celebrity" like they did Obama but that's a strength. I mean we have a reality TV celebrity as President who had name ID and could get attention in 2016. Beto can steal the constant news coverage around Trump which denies Trump the power to always define the topic of debate.

That's Betos biggest strength and it can't be ignored. Trump has dictated the news cycle since the 16 primaries. Beto is the only politician since then who has that it factor who can be the magnet for media attention to have them hang on their every word.

He is the first politician of this last decade after Obama and Trump to seem to have that ability. If he can transition that nationally he will extremely difficult to stop.

Anyone who's done even a little reading or research into the history of U.S. Presidential debates and/or elections will tell you what a watershed moment the Nixon - Kennedy debates were because, allegedly, people who just heard them felt Nixon won while those who saw the thought Kennedy won.

Some of the biggest takeaways in political theory from that was image matters more than we might suspect and television is THE major player in campaigns.

Looking back at the some of the most popular and game-changing president's we've elected, Reagan the Cowboy Actor, Bubba the Smooth Saxophone Player, W the Down Home "I'd have a beer with him" doofus, Obama the Total Package, and Trump the literal TV star and lifelong conman who succeeds on selling people his image.

I'm willing to say that Policy. Does. Not. Matter. for the President. Sure you're not going to get elected without having a policy of some kind - but everyone runs on something! And every candidate is going to have some variation of "we're going to have a strong economy, and rebuild our country, and fix problems X, Y, and Z". The focus and priorities change, but those variables are minuscule vs "Do I get excited by this person?"

Republicans AND Democrats now "fall in love" because we're not electing a heads of state, we're electing fucking mascots for the country.
 

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As if, like Kavanaugh, this wasn't the plan from the very beginning.
Well at some point shit is going to hit the fan and this Fake Attorney General is big trouble for the DOJ and its ability to litigate, since any litigant can claim that he isn't a legitimate AG since he didn't go through the process of being confirmed by the Senate.

But the shitshow is getting so bad I don't think he'll stay around for long
 

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Bernie Sanders believes Trump could be a Civil Rights champion and that he's just pretending to be racist. Get him out of the paint, this article is even worse than the last one. There's no room in the Democratic nomination process for this rhetoric on racism.

Bernie's quote:

Today, if he is a racist and a sexist, tomorrow he may be a great civil rights champion — if he thinks it gets him five more votes. He has no core values.
 

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looking forward to seeing a bunch of overweight white people at a highway McDonald's in Ohio wearing "proud wingnut" and "proud kook" t-shirts.



Bernie Sanders believes Trump could be a Civil Rights champion and that he's just pretending to be racist. Get him out of the paint, this article is even worse than the last one. There's no room in the Democratic nomination process for this rhetoric on racism.


Bernie's quote:


uh
 

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Bernie Sanders believes Trump could be a Civil Rights champion and that he's just pretending to be racist. Get him out of the paint, this article is even worse than the last one. There's no room in the Democratic nomination process for this rhetoric on racism.

Bernie's quote:

Lol he shouldn't even bother announcing for 2020.
 

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Bernie Sanders believes Trump could be a Civil Rights champion and that he's just pretending to be racist. Get him out of the paint, this article is even worse than the last one. There's no room in the Democratic nomination process for this rhetoric on racism.

Bernie's quote:


It sounds like he's saying the guy will do or say whatever he thinks will benefit him because he has no values rather than what that tweet is implying. I don't really fuck with Bernie, but this one is a reach.
 

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Bernie Sanders believes Trump could be a Civil Rights champion and that he's just pretending to be racist. Get him out of the paint, this article is even worse than the last one. There's no room in the Democratic nomination process for this rhetoric on racism.

Bernie's quote:

Eh, the last quote was definitely worse. The last one said that the most pervasive type of racism wasn't actually racism. This one is basically saying that Trump serves himself above all, which is probably true. That being said, it's still pretty stupid, since there is no situation in which Trump would ever have to pivot like that and, as we've seen, his natural inclination is to be racist.
 

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It sounds like he's saying the guy will do or say whatever he thinks will benefit him because he has no values rather than what that tweet is implying. I don't really fuck with Bernie, but this one is a reach.

Except, Trump has repeatedly shown his values over the decades.

How quickly we forget stuff like the "Central Park 5"
 

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It sounds like he's saying the guy will do or say whatever he thinks will benefit him because he has no values rather than what that tweet is implying. I don't really fuck with Bernie, but this one is a reach.
Literally, the one policy position Trump has is he's racist. It's literally ALL he has. Bernie is implying here that he's not really racist, he just plays one on TV. Again, it's not a reach, it's another example of how anytime race comes into the mix, Bernie shoves his foot not so much in his mouth but down his own throat.

Racism is literally the ONE thing Trump is consistent on.
 

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Bernie Sanders believes Trump could be a Civil Rights champion and that he's just pretending to be racist. Get him out of the paint, this article is even worse than the last one. There's no room in the Democratic nomination process for this rhetoric on racism.

Bernie's quote:

So Trump has just been acting for the last 50 years then?

Someone come get your man!
 

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Bernie Sanders believes Trump could be a Civil Rights champion and that he's just pretending to be racist. Get him out of the paint, this article is even worse than the last one. There's no room in the Democratic nomination process for this rhetoric on racism.

Bernie's quote:

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Bernie Sanders believes Trump could be a Civil Rights champion and that he's just pretending to be racist. Get him out of the paint, this article is even worse than the last one. There's no room in the Democratic nomination process for this rhetoric on racism.

Bernie's quote:


I get what he's say but oof that's is the worst anecdote he could go with. He still fumbles with race issues after so many missteps it's hard to keep calling them accidents
 

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Except, Trump has repeatedly shown his values over the decades.

How quickly we forget stuff like the "Central Park 5"

Who gives a shit? It's got nothing to do with the point he's making. I'm no Bernie Stan by any means, but there's nothing to get angry about when you read what he's saying. I've read it twice now and don't see the problem. He's basically calling the guy a snake.
 

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When someone shows you who they are, over many decades and countless occasions, believe them. This shit goes back to the 1970s and housing discrimination against African-Americans with Trump all the way up through yesterday. Sorry Bernie, I think this is a "core value" of his. And yes, I get the point Bernie is trying to make - it is just not a particularly good one.
 

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Well I think he'd have to run for president, and then finish second in the primary to somebody like Harris, and I think that would be enough to justify the nomination.

But considering what he did in Texas with his gotv and the insane money he brought in, never mind how close he brought the race in Texas, there is a good argument to be made just on that info alone that he'd make a good VP.
If he comes second, sure... VP if he wants it. But him failing to win the primary would be disqualifying for top of the ticket. Whoever wins the primaries should be top of the ticket.

You would be crippling the democrat ticket to screw over the person who wins the primaries, and you'd risk disenfranchising huge numbers of their supporters. Look at how many Bernie supporters were disenfranchised because they *think* he was robbed. Imagine if someone actually *was* robbed?
 
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