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REgals [Women of Era] |OT| Episode I: The Female Menace

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I enjoyed Big Little Lies too, although I'm a book person and some changed details bothered me. But the cast was great, and I always love when a woman-centered project does well in the ~mainstream~. I watched it with my parents and it was interesting to see what things my mom and I implicitly understood and my dad just didn't. If anyone is interested in the author but doesn't want to read the book for the TV show they just watched, What Alice Forgot is also really good.

Pet said:
I never played any and watched my husband play Persona 5, but it didn't really appeal to me yet. I'd love a game similar to Persona 5 if there was a female lead, I think (or if it felt balanced?)
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The portable version of Persona 3 on PSP or Vita has a female main character option. I enjoyed it a lot more than vanilla Persona 3, but 3 is also my least favorite of the modern Persona games so... yeah lol. I don't think that's a majority opinion, though.
 
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Thanks N_Cryo and kaytee for the suggestions of older P games. Will look into them!

Re: Big Little Lies on HBO.

Watched it, laughed, enjoyed, but still came away feeling like a generic upper middle class drama. Maybe Gossip Girl for the GG crowd that grew up.

(Disclaimer: I loved GG.)

I might give the book a shot if it's on sale.
 

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Pet said:
Thanks N_Cryo and kaytee for the suggestions of older P games. Will look into them!

Re: Big Little Lies on HBO.

Watched it, laughed, enjoyed, but still came away feeling like a generic upper middle class drama. Maybe Gossip Girl for the GG crowd that grew up.

(Disclaimer: I loved GG.)

I might give the book a shot if it's on sale.
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I don't see how you could find it generic! lol. I can't stand dramas like GG. Find them to be insufferable and lacking in depth.
 
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Potater said:
At the same time, I find a lot of what the characters go through to be relatable. Especially the domestic abuse stuff. So it sat better with me more than most shows that cover rich people.
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Yeah, definitely. The First World Problems were mainly felt with Madeline, but even she got more relatable as it went on.

Not sure if anyone cares, but Hot Topic's website has 50% off a ton of dress styles and outerwear and 30% off storewide today only. They have cute Disney stuff for my Disney World trips.
 
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Potater said:
I don't see how you could find it generic! lol. I can't stand dramas like GG. Find them to be insufferable and lacking in depth.
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Honestly, it's probably because I live so close to/in a place that's a lot like BLL's setting... so to me it's just very generic, normal upper middle class women having upper middle class women crises. The whole "outsider" Jane isn't new, and ionno.

I appreciate the series and I'm glad of what it is, but it still came off as generic.

(I watched GG when I was like... a 16/17 year old impressionable kid. I can't watch it now.)
 
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Pet said:
Thanks N_Cryo and kaytee for the suggestions of older P games. Will look into them!

Re: Big Little Lies on HBO.

Watched it, laughed, enjoyed, but still came away feeling like a generic upper middle class drama. Maybe Gossip Girl for the GG crowd that grew up.

(Disclaimer: I loved GG.)

I might give the book a shot if it's on sale.
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I usually hate rich people shows but I loved BLL. Couldn't tell you why, though. I did get the book and it's very different. I think my ebook is lendable if you want, Pet.
 
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Persona 5 is an absolute clusterfuck with how it handles social issues imo.

Persona 2 (both IS and EP) are soooo much better, it's hard to even believe it's in the same series. Unfortunately, the games are quite dated, but it might be worth a try. They ought to bring that writer back.
 
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GallianGeneral said:
Persona 5 is an absolute clusterfuck with how it handles social issues imo.

Persona 2 (both IS and EP) are soooo much better, it's hard to even believe it's in the same series. Unfortunately, the games are quite dated, but it might be worth a try. They ought to bring that writer back.
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Totally agree. 1 is also decent in that aspect, but not to level of 2. If you like old-school JRPGs, I'd strongly recommend playing 1 and 2 if you haven't already. 2 especially- 1 can kind of be a slog.
 
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Linkura said:
Yeah, definitely. The First World Problems were mainly felt with Madeline, but even she got more relatable as it went on.

Not sure if anyone cares, but Hot Topic's website has 50% off a ton of dress styles and outerwear and 30% off storewide today only. They have cute Disney stuff for my Disney World trips.
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I actually shop frequently at Hot Topic, a good portion of my wardrobe is from there. Saw a new Tangled themed sleepwear set and had to resist hard to not buy it as it's super cute but I spent far too much money this past weekend >_<
 
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Linkura said:
Totally agree. 1 is also decent in that aspect, but not to level of 2. If you like old-school JRPGs, I'd strongly recommend playing 1 and 2 if you haven't already. 2 especially- 1 can kind of be a slog.
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How is the revamped port of 1 that they made for the PSP? Not sure if you've played that or the original PSX version, but I've always been curious. If it was released for iOS I'd snatch it up in a second. Debating right now on whether or not I want to buy the original MegaTen for mobile as well...
 
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Aeana said:
I love that even though I'm not a mod or involved with the decision making here in any way, I'm still getting blamed by a couple of people for mods poking the figure thread. I didn't even know anything was going on here with them! The grudges some people hold, man.
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Stupid women ruining everyone's fun, am I right
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Oh, definitely. I got linked to a couple of Voat posts where they blame me for a whole bunch of bans I didn't even do. It's hilarious, really.
 
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Potater said:
I started watching Big Little Lies yesterday and it is excellent. I didn't think I could get that into a drama about rich people, but it's a smart show.

There are spoilers in the article, don't click if you plan to watch

http://www.vulture.com/2017/04/big-little-lies-is-a-commentary-on-gender-bias.html
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I watched the show too and I loved it. I found this article https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/03/big-little-trust-funds/521073/ (there are some spoilers), I think it gives an interesting point of view on the series. The writer at some point says there's something "gothic" about BLL, and I agree. Some camera shots can be wonderful and sort of frightening at the same time (I guess that's called sublime).
 
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futurememory said:
How is the revamped port of 1 that they made for the PSP? Not sure if you've played that or the original PSX version, but I've always been curious. If it was released for iOS I'd snatch it up in a second. Debating right now on whether or not I want to buy the original MegaTen for mobile as well...
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I've played through the PSP port, played some of the PS1 version but never finished. Certainly a big improvement over the original. I think it's pretty cheap now digitally and there's often sales.

SMT1 on mobile is great. But I'm not sure it's compatible with the newer OSes.
 

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insight said:
I watched the show too and I loved it. I found this article https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/03/big-little-trust-funds/521073/ (there are some spoilers), I think it gives an interesting point of view on the series. The writer at some point says there's something "gothic" about BLL, and I agree. Some camera shots can be wonderful and sort of frightening at the same time (I guess that's called sublime).
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That was fascinating, thank you. I really did enjoy the nuance and didn't even think about some of the other little subtleties that hinted at darkness.

Although this line stood out to me in the article, when describing Madeline's kitchen: "There is always a selection of fresh fruit on display in her rambling, eat-in kitchen." What does the fresh fruit have to do with how she's not technically an "under," lol.
 
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Kickmaster Kim said:
Finished She's Gotta Have It. Loved it. It's feminist and black as fuck.
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This is good to know. A preview autoplayed on Netflix and I was really interested after seeing it. We're currently watching Alias Grace and after that I think we'll both be ready for something different and it seems She's Gotta Have It is probably as different as you can get.
 
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GraphicViolets said:
If only we would be willing to use the one we got 700 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
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I'm not super fond of that one, personally. It's probably the way I've always been taught that "they" requires a plural antecedent, but singular they just sounds wrong to me.

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A?! We have too many.

http://uwm.edu/lgbtrc/support/gender-pronouns/
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But we don't really use any of them (yet?) regularly, except for singular they, I guess.
 
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I'm not super fond of that one, personally. It's probably the way I've always been taught that "they" requires a plural antecedent, but singular they just sounds wrong to me.


But we don't really use any of them (yet?) regularly, except for singular they, I guess.
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About they, it fits not all situations, that's why it's not really useful.

We dont use them because there are too many. With that many options people get confused.
 
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Rory said:
That wouldnt be suitable for all situtations but it is used at times?
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Its grammatically correct to use in any situation where you need a singular gender neutral pronoun
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I'm not super fond of that one, personally. It's probably the way I've always been taught that "they" requires a plural antecedent, but singular they just sounds wrong to me.
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I was taught in grade school that when you were unaware of the gender (such as if the person were a hypothetical) you'd use "they", "him/her", "one", or just choose one of the genders (usually he). They is by far the most common one I've ever seen used (especially since "him/her" really doesn't work outside of text)
 
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GraphicViolets said:
Its grammatically correct to use in any situation where you need a singular gender neutral pronoun

I was taught in grade school that when you were unaware of the gender (such as if the person were a hypothetical) you'd use "they", "him/her", "one", or just choose one of the genders (usually he). They is by far the most common one I've ever seen used (especially since "him/her" really doesn't work outside of text)
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It's not about grammar, but social terms.

They is implying a (social) distance (a hypothetical person, unknown person, you simply havent met that person yet etc.).

If you stand next to your bestfriend and another person asks to whom the bag belongs, it would be weird.
 
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It's not about grammar, but social terms.

They is implying a (social) distance (a hypothetical person, unknown person, you simply havent met that person yet etc.).

If you stand next to your bestfriend and another person asks to whom the bag belongs, it would be weird.
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Fair point that that's generally the situations we use they in as a singular but its not like its never used otherwise. Like I would say "its theirs" and point to someone when I do know their gender when you ask about the bag. it does come off as slightly less personal like you said but the only way is to use it more often that way to normalize it.
Though it would be even odder to specifically refer to someone by name and then follow up with "they" as the pronoun like "That's Brad's bag. They bought it yesterday". Which I guess shows off what you said even more.
I guess with that in mind its even more than just finding a word to use as making the concept ingrained in our society. Pronouns are a source of identity and we have some amount of expectation that people try to go with what you like (personally irl I answer to all pronouns rn but I get how other people feel) and it shows a sort of familiarity. So while they does fit the function its still is just part of the current framework and maybe instead of a word that implies something like "generic person" like they seems to maybe it should mean something more specific like "that person that we're talking about" (which is generally the point of pronouns yes but they is even broader than that)
 
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GraphicViolets said:
Fair point that that's generally the situations we use they in as a singular but its not like its never used otherwise. Like I would say "its theirs" and point to someone when I do know their gender when you ask about the bag. it does come off as slightly less personal like you said but the only way is to use it more often that way to normalize it.
Though it would be even odder to specifically refer to someone by name and then follow up with "they" as the pronoun like "That's Brad's bag. They bought it yesterday". Which I guess shows off what you said even more.
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When do we use they in the English language? Either as a neutral pronoun or second person plural.

They is used in context to refer to a group of people that do not include yourself, to distance yourself from them. So the word itself will always carry some distance because in other context that's what its purpose is. It works in formal context just fine, but for private day-to-day conversation... we are in need for one proper pronoun (not 10).

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I guess with that in mind its even more than just finding a word to use as making the concept ingrained in our society. Pronouns are a source of identity and we have some amount of expectation that people try to go with what you like (personally irl I answer to all pronouns rn but I get how other people feel) and it shows a sort of familiarity. So while they does fit the function its still is just part of the current framework and maybe instead of a word that implies something like "generic person" like they seems to maybe it should mean something more specific like "that person that we're talking about" (which is generally the point of pronouns yes but they is even broader than that)
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The current pronouns problems are, first of all nobody knows them because they are too many. Second they are thought of as special bees, indeed they are not, gender neutral pronouns aren't exclusive to people who dont identify as either, they are for everyone. Gender specific pronouns are the special bees to be honest.

This mindset has to change, I think when society sees a use in a gender neutral pronoun for the majority (for which it is useful in the end anyway) they will start using it. Till then most of them will be like "This has no use to me, I has been like this for a long time, it is at the moment like this and it will always stay like this. It worked the last 400 years without it will work another!" (It's scary how well I already know that mindset thanks to my colleagues).
 
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As an italian, I can say that the use of "they" is something that creates a little bit of confusion, at least for italians, when learning English. In Italian we have the possibility to omit the pronoun, just as in Spanish, so if you're not sure or if you are speaking in general you can just do that (even though if you're actually talking to someone sooner or later you're gonna have to establish a gender, with adjectives and verbs for example). If we reeeally have to use one, we usually say "he". That creates a problem, because when talking in general in English we have to use a pronoun, for example when writing papers, at the beginning for me it was actually kind of difficult to understand if I had to use he/she, just he or something else. Finally one day, when I used the wrong pronoun, a teacher told me that the right word to use was "they", but they told me personally, so I highly doubt anyone in my class got to know that. So, basically, if you are interested in actually learn English you'll find out sooner or later, but if you're just randomly learning it at school, there is a big possibility you never get to know that, since it's not something teachers tend to teach, but I think it's so important since at school you don't really talk about someone specific but more in general I guess.
 
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Some of my classes had basic guidelines for papers, and using they instead of he/she was on every one. It used to be common to use he/she or "he or she" but they are getting away from that.

It's also in our style guides at work. No more he/she in professional writing, at least in my corners.
 
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I'm cooking for a friend who just lost their SO. Not sure what to make; I won't see them until Monday.
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Doesn't matter what you make per se. As long as it doesn't violate dietary requirements for the individual.

But, make something that freezes well, freeze it in one-meal package sizes. And give it to them in some dish containers that they don't need to return to you. Whether ziploc bags or those cheap store tupperware things.

Maybe a recommendation of how long to microwave a package would be nice, but on the other hand, they might be able to figure that out.
 
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Guy just told me in a thread that heels are lewd now to try to undermine my argument about how previous games in a certain series didn't have as lewd female outfits.

Today has been mentally exhausting.
 
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