People are really going out of the way to downplay the harassment his wife would receive. It's kinda baffling to me.
Not everything is an agenda.
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Geoff, we need to have a serious talk about the "Content Creator" award.
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Not everything is an agenda.
Has any of that happened though?
Not doubting you just seems like a very specific example, particularly the deepfake part.
Yes it has happened numerous times to people on Twitch. The harassment is real.
Playing video games with women is doing wrong by his marriage?
Playing video games with women is suffering?
Playing video games with women is making sacrifices?
Playing video games with women is diminishing his own life?
This forum sometimes, good lord
Holy crap, do you just ignore literally everything he and plenty of other people have said?
Or are you just downplaying any concerns of harassment?
Let me guess, you don't believe that his wife would be sent harassing messages/pictures if any kind of "ship" happened, right?
People can make up whatever shit they want, regardless of who he plays video games with. He can either take responsibility for his fame and his platform and encourage good behavior, or he can hide behind stupid excuses about protecting his wife. But he's really just a young guy who screams like a child while being really good at video games, so I don't expect him to make mature, thoughtful decisions about the impact of his words and whether or not he should be worried about fabrications regarding who he is having sex with.
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It's not hard to find her, his wife is a Twitch streamer herself.
Wow, this is insanely judgemental. You're completely dismissing any kind of harassment his wife may receive if he changed his decision, or hell, any harassment she receives now.
After all, words are just words, right?
Why are we treating Ninja like he's sacrificing? At what point did he say people were harassing his wife due to having women on his streams? "Putting his family in danger" seems to have come out of nowhere when it seems he just doesn't want to deal with twitch chat drama and shipping memes
She is a streamer with 500,000 followers. They are both fully online, public figures. Whether or not her husband plays a game with another woman and that influence on the attention they get just adds to the background noise of being famous.
The only person who actually gives a shit about the supposed clickbait youtube videos making false claims about his marriage is Ninja himself. These quotes read like a man who is insecure about his relationship and afraid of ever having to do the horrible, life-ruining act of ignoring rumors and telling his audience to treat women with respect. But woe is Ninja, poor rich and famous man.
That actually isn't what I said and you know it. That is god-awfully pathetic to try to paint my statements in that negative light. The suffering, etc., that would come from the rumors and targetted harassment he reasonably believes would result from playing with women on his livestream. He is putting his marriage, wife, life, etc. before his professional life. I can respect that even if I don't like the outcome.
Envy is not a good look.
Yall have so much fun going to bat for someone who has resigned from all responsibility and told the assholes online that they're right and they've won.
If TGA staff would actually care for anything but viewer numbers and bringing over massive audiences, they'd at least put people into this category who bring something new or special to the table. Why no MatPat/game theory? He might annoy some, but he puts in work. Why not ENB or VaatiVidya for their actual passing of knowledge and work in the industry? Why not EZA? Hell, why not Sterling? Honest Game Trailers? Anyone puts in more work, prep and basic knowledge and helpfulness than some guy who just happens to hit the teens crowd per chance.
I watch streamers, but this whole award for fucking nothing but commenting on your own gameplay while selling merch to rake it in from kids sucks and is an audience misread on Diablo conference levels.
And geoffs repeating selection of notable assholes doesn't help.
I watch streamers, but this whole award for fucking nothing but commenting on your own gameplay while selling merch to rake it in from kids sucks and is an audience misread on Diablo conference levels.
And geoffs repeating selection of notable assholes doesn't help.
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It's not a joke.
I'm just wondering why that's not his stated reasoning in every article I've ever seen, rather than "it's just not worth the gossip".
His go-to complaint seems to be that people make a bunch of clickbaity YouTube videos.
Like, there are a couple options here:
1) Publicly state that you refuse to stream with women, making it known that it's a thing that inexplicably bugs you that people will then joke about and trolls will use to provoke you.
2) Just interact with women like a normal human being so it becomes a commonplace, uneventful experience.
Listening to any internet forum is a bad idea. Most people who get pissed about things on here, 4chan and Reddit are a vocal minority.
Imagine thinking your wife doesnt have the agency as a person to say whether or not she can handle some online child trying to send her hate mail and just categorically thinking its better to discriminate against all women to appease the sexist gamer gaters. The action in and of itself is incredibly sexist.
As long as those people happily welcome harassers into their fan base the onus is on them to take the blame.
all these men defending ninja for excluding women, my god
they'd never give it to someone who doesn't kowtow to corporate bullshittery
Yes and we all knew who won before..looks at 'both sides' boogie.
Don't really know or care about vast majority of streamers/yotubers anymore and never truly have really. Only a select few.
I think part of the problem is that they are very corporate friendly (unbelievably so considering some of them) which affects their credibility of their opinions of things to me and simply.. their views and actions a ton of the time where yeah I agree they shouldn't be getting recognition at an award show for really.
Someone said Jim sterling and he's probably one of the few deserving ones I can think of, but yeah surprise he's not corporate friendly and he thinks of this as the game advertisements (Which I agree with too, really don't take the rewards part of the show too seriously, it just feels like a hype show, which Im fine with for the trailers and announcements sure but that's all I'm there for), so not surprised he's not there and could affect Jim's credibility too for him showing..unless he just took the piss out of it and came as the cornflakes homunculus or something ha, but yeah think he deserves more recognition really. Easy to praise what everyone does, harder to criticise stuff.
I think part of the problem is that they are very corporate friendly (unbelievably so considering some of them) which affects their credibility of their opinions of things to me and simply.. their views and actions a ton of the time where yeah I agree they shouldn't be getting recognition at an award show for really.
Someone said Jim sterling and he's probably one of the few deserving ones I can think of, but yeah surprise he's not corporate friendly and he thinks of this as the game advertisements (Which I agree with too, really don't take the rewards part of the show too seriously, it just feels like a hype show, which Im fine with for the trailers and announcements sure but that's all I'm there for), so not surprised he's not there and could affect Jim's credibility too for him showing..unless he just took the piss out of it and came as the cornflakes homunculus or something ha, but yeah think he deserves more recognition really. Easy to praise what everyone does, harder to criticise stuff.
I agree, it's absurd that we are giving awards to streamers.
But hey at least Doc Disrespect gives some life advice on his show
I disagree. He is still creating content just in a different way. It is similar to a live tv broadcast vs taped tv broadcast.
You do realise that on TV there are A LOT of TV programs that have far less viewers than a lot of big streamers do? Its the same with Youtube channels. A video of someone like say, Linus Tech Tips, will upload a video and it will reach around 700k viewers in a few days. There are SO many TV content creators that would KILL for such a viewer audience. Ninja might not be the content for you, but he has the viewer base so he's doing something right.
As for the OP, i'm a grown man of 46 years old. If a child calls me a faggot that kid would get a telling off. I might not shout like Ninja does but i'd set him straight. I don't watch Ninja, and have no clue what he does or does not do, but in this case i give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Damn @ 0:30 sec.. never have seen this guy before but damn that shit made me laugh
I'm surprised and disappointed that more of the discrimination defence force hasn't been banned. What the fuck is wrong with you people? How is "don't discriminate against women" too difficult a concept for you fuckers to grasp? Why are you making excuses for a millionaire? How is this even a discussion?
we all know they're doing it for the viewers, but i think any award show needs to find a balance between catering to the pop-culture and credibility. And having this category with these kind of nominees pushes that balance in the wrong direction.
Me too. Or youtube channels that talk about games, be it game history, criticism or reviews. Why not Best Game Streamer award instead?
It's because they are blinded by their fan side. They love the guy, his success and his streams.
Of course, some will correct me saying that they don't watch the guy.
But if you don't watch the guy, why are you definding his discrimination?
A lot of male gamers still don't get what the problem is. Don't know why, maybe lack of experience playing with women themselves? Or not wanting Ninja to be better than his misogynist community?
i think people are more trying to defend his right to administrate his channel however he sees fit until he breaks some laws.
it's easy to just stay in front of a screen and post about what he should do, with what is basically his business venture, to be morally right...it's way harder to be the actual guy and having to shoulder any kind of consequences from those actions.
and it doesn't really matter if people think that there will be or not be consequences (if i understood the matter right is him not wanting women on his streams because he doesn't want the fans to spread rumors, right?)..all it matters is if he feels like there will be consequences or not, because it's ultimately his choice to make.
social progress is a great mission to persue, but it's admitteldly easier to persue when you don't have to do anything other than ask other people to do things a certain way.
All that needs to be said on the Ninja discrimination against women issue.
This is the last place Geoff needs to listen in things related to business or how he should or should not do the game awards. Game awards get bigger and better every year , he is doing one amazing job.
Ninja streams for hours a day , you have hundreds of hours of him talking on camera, its not a video with 1 minute that will prove this dude is the biggest piece of shit and he can stream with who the hell he wants to stream and no one have nothing to do with it. If he don ´ t want to see videos on youtube making stories about his personal life or videos saying he is cheating his wife with x y or z girl its his choice, he definitely knows his wife better than anyone on era, if he don`t want to bother her with shit like this he have every right.
Look atg pokimane another one that is being voted, there are a shit ton of videos talking about her personal life and love life like those shit pink magazines by crazy ass fans of her.
Ninja streams for hours a day , you have hundreds of hours of him talking on camera, its not a video with 1 minute that will prove this dude is the biggest piece of shit and he can stream with who the hell he wants to stream and no one have nothing to do with it. If he don ´ t want to see videos on youtube making stories about his personal life or videos saying he is cheating his wife with x y or z girl its his choice, he definitely knows his wife better than anyone on era, if he don`t want to bother her with shit like this he have every right.
Look atg pokimane another one that is being voted, there are a shit ton of videos talking about her personal life and love life like those shit pink magazines by crazy ass fans of her.
I think TGA doesn't promote Ninja but the other way around...he already is the face of the industry for millions of Kids.
He deserves the award
There are so many great and thoughtful YouTubers making videos about games and gaming
Super Bunnyhop, Errant Signal, Mark Brown, TheGamingBrit, Hyperbithero etc, and this award always seems to go to some shitbag with idiotic views and opinions
I know it doesn't really matter and it's just a dumb awards show (sorry Geoff) but it would be nice to have at least one winner who's not a bellend
So yeah, not Ninja please
Super Bunnyhop, Errant Signal, Mark Brown, TheGamingBrit, Hyperbithero etc, and this award always seems to go to some shitbag with idiotic views and opinions
I know it doesn't really matter and it's just a dumb awards show (sorry Geoff) but it would be nice to have at least one winner who's not a bellend
So yeah, not Ninja please
Yes... now we finally have a good, wholesome, sexist role model in the community.
I hope Pokimane wins. Unlike Ninja, she doesn't appear to be a rampant sexist.
Same really. Maybe have a seperate award for best streamer or something? I think just hearing someone... scream playing horror games or reacting to things in seemingly over the top ways isn't that creative to me.
Kinda hard to draw the line though, I'm sure there's lots of people who like it, and maybe they deserve some recognition, but think there's other... classes of content creators being ignored focusing on them really who I think are more deserving of recognition.
There are people out there that have been busting their asses for decades only to receive zero recognition.
Even if he wasn't an asshole, I fail to see the merit in propping up some guy who streams a grand total of one game.
Even if he wasn't an asshole, I fail to see the merit in propping up some guy who streams a grand total of one game.
What happens if someone makes a Ninja joke on Twitter?
Do his fans have to just accept it, or do they RISE UP?