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Aokiji

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,265
Los Angeles
That's exactly what it is, fear mongering and concern trolling.
This is literally the best PlayStation have ever gone into the transition phase financially but somehow, according to this forum, the sky is falling over there in Japan & everything is on fire, because they haven't bought any studios or announced new games from studios that released or are releasing games in the two year window of 2017-2019
 

XVerdena

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,918
I really hope MS does well (because I'm a firm believer in solid competition) but assuming that MS will have brilliant new high quality IPs ready within the next 30 months is quite a stretch. They really have to start from scratch in that department.
Pretty sure next Xbox will launch with Halo infinite, and whatever Turn10 and Ninja Theory are working on. Rare should also have a new IP that has been in the work for a while now. Playground's Fable could also launch in 2021, and then there's the obsidian's 'The Outer Worlds' project which has been in development with 2k, not sure what will will happen with this but I can see ms making a deal to release it for the next xbox. I think the first 1-2 years of Scarlett will be loaded with games.
 

Lady Gaia

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,479
Seattle
I still see fall 2019 as more likely than spring 2020, and haven't heard much of anything that would change my feelings on the subject of fall 2019 vs. fall 2020, which is that either one is entirely possible. Sony not being present at E3 2019 says nothing but "we'd rather announce things in our own way and on our own timeline." It says precisely nothing about when that might be.

I'll believe 2019 is out of the question when GDC 2019 comes and goes with no significant rumors. Otherwise, I see no reason to discount a Pro-like timeline with the PS5 being as straightforward for developers to target and cross-generation titles making up the virtually all of third-party support for the first year.
 

Aokiji

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,265
Los Angeles
According to this thread, newly acquired studios are going to have next gen games ready in 2 years but current 1st party studios will not. Some amazing math there
 

Liabe Brave

Professionally Enhanced
Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,672
Are there 60fps games on X that run at 30fps on Pro?
I believe there are a couple games that have a 60fps mode on One X but not on Pro, yes. These do not also have much higher res, though; it's because the user can choose to prioritize fps instead. But the lack of comparable choice on Pro indicates only One X is easily capable of it. You're right that most games aren't like this, though.

Playground's Fable could also launch in 2021, and then there's the obsidian's 'The Outer Worlds' project which has been in development with 2k, not sure what will will happen with this but I can see ms making a deal to release it for the next xbox. I think the first 1-2 years of Scarlett will be loaded with games.
2K has already said they're still publishing the Obsidian game. It's not clear if that means multiplat remains on the table, or if Microsoft will pay to make it exclusive. It also seems that inXile's Wasteland 3 will be a multiplatform release. So I imagine Microsoft will want to hurry and finalize one of the small-scale titles by Ninja Theory, or the like. It'd be a weird look if the first release from any of their newly-acquired studios was also available on PS4.
 

Ruin

Banned
Oct 14, 2018
208
Wii U was dead when Nintendo announced the Switch. Sony will not cripple their final PS4 holiday season in order to announced a PS5 and launch it in the spring.

People buying PS4 in its 6th year are not the early adopter who will buy PS5 day 1. And if someone halted on the PS4 to buy a PS5 then good for him and good for Sony.
 

ConanEdogawa

Member
Oct 31, 2017
1,082
This has been my assumption all along, with the timetable being a repeat of 2013 from announcement to launch since it worked so well. This time I'll be waiting for the PS5 mid-gen refresh before jumping in.
 

gattotimo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,056
The only way I see Sony even announcing the PS5 during 2019 is with them focusing the announcement on full PS4 BC and a contextual PS4 price cut, effective immediately. They have TOO MANY big exclusives coming up 2019-20 for them to jeopardize their sales announcing the next big thing this early.
 

Bashteee

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,193
While I welcome BC in almost any shape or form, I have to admit that I used it rarely in the past. Maybe a bit on the Vita with some PSP and PS1 games. I still have a few DS games here I always wanted to play, but the resolution and controls on the 3DS always put me off.

BC is 100% in I would bet my left nut tbh

What are the odds for that left nut? Like, what would you put it against? 'Cause if you're willing to give me "left nut for nothing" odds, I'll, uh...

... you know what, no matter how this plays out you can keep it.

I'll take it. If I can find another one, I can do some genuine Krogan cosplay with my balls.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,297
But why burn a potential PS5 consumer?

You're not burning anyone. Not everyone is going to want the brand new shiny toy that just released if you can get the cheaper one with all the games even if PS5 has BC. The hardcore are going to be the first adopters. Then once Sony drops the games that really show off the PS5 and the price becomes manageable, more people will upgrade. You all are overthinking this.
 

Redfox088

Banned
May 31, 2018
2,293
Pretty sure next Xbox will launch with Halo infinite, and whatever Turn10 and Ninja Theory are working on. Rare should also have a new IP that has been in the work for a while now. Playground's Fable could also launch in 2021, and then there's the obsidian's 'The Outer Worlds' project which has been in development with 2k, not sure what will will happen with this but I can see ms making a deal to release it for the next xbox. I think the first 1-2 years of Scarlett will be loaded with games.
you trippin. Ninja theory exclusive is launch window at best.
 

bane833

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
4,530
I still see fall 2019 as more likely than spring 2020, and haven't heard much of anything that would change my feelings on the subject of fall 2019 vs. fall 2020, which is that either one is entirely possible. Sony not being present at E3 2019 says nothing but "we'd rather announce things in our own way and on our own timeline." It says precisely nothing about when that might be.

I'll believe 2019 is out of the question when GDC 2019 comes and goes with no significant rumors. Otherwise, I see no reason to discount a Pro-like timeline with the PS5 being as straightforward for developers to target and cross-generation titles making up the virtually all of third-party support for the first year.
2019 is completely out of the question with Sony skipping e3. No ifs or buts. PS5 is not going to launch before late 2020.
 

Riderz1337

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,913
Sony needs a better management for first party next gen. First 2 years of PS4 was really dry, MS will be loaded next-gen.

Only great exclusive I remember 2014-2015 is Bloodborne and it was not made by Sony studios.

I'm saying for months Sony needs more studios at least 4-5 new studios. I hope the rumor about a new San Diego studio but they need more than 1 new studio to have a better influx of games.
Microsoft has acquired studios that just recently released games or have contracts in place for games that will be multiplatform.

How on earth do you believe they will be loaded next gen?

The initiative - brand new studio just formed. Their game is at least 3+ years out.

Compulsion games - just released their game few months ago. Don't expect anything for a few years.

Ninja Theory - Hellblade came out not too long ago. Most likely at least 2 yrs before they even think about releasing their next game. Hellblade took like 4 yrs for them to make and that wasn't a big game, but they do have Microsofts support now.

Undead Labs - just released State of Decay 2

Playground - just released FH4. They've been rumoured to be working on a fable game but they haven't even teased anything yet. Don't see them releasing it for at least another 2-3 yrs.

Obsidian - they have a contract with take two on a game. Honestly not sure what is going to happen with that. If they are still working on that game then it'd going to be years before you see anything exclusive to Xbox from them.

InXile - working on Wasteland 3 - don't expect anything exclusive from them for years.

I'm not seeing the loaded next gen launch for MS here with the new studio acquisitions.
 

II JumPeR I

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,770
Germany
The PS5 will probably have backwards compatibility, though.
I dont get why people believe that.
Sony so far hasnt shown any competent interest in having BC. They dropped the PS2 for PS4 initiative pretty fast, havent bothered with PS1 emulation and they just used a open source PS1 emulator for their PS1 mini lol
I believe Sony will lack BC and thats will be their big fuck up nextgen.
MS on the other hand has everything in place now with beautiful 360 and OG Xbox Emulation and for MS you can really say that you will be able to XboxOne games on the next Xbox too.
 

Merv

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,460
500$ PS5 in 2020 would indicates a good overview of specs, i expect a big (in terms of size) and a beast (in terms of power) of a console.

- 8 core 16 threads ryzen at 3.5 GHz
- fully navi based GPU around 14.2 to 15 teraflops
- 36gb gddr6 at 860gb/s - 4gb reserved for OS
- 1tb hdd + 256gb ssd

Not happening.

If they go 8 core again expect 2GHz Ryzen.

GPU will be custom, and not full Navi, 12TF.

Unless RAM prices drop 36GB of GDDR6 is at minimum $300, but more likely closer to $400. Actually maybe much more.

IF they want to speed up their storage it will be a hybrid HDD or an HDD with a seperate 16-32GB cache similar to Intel Optane. 2 seperate drives isn't happening.
 

Aokiji

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,265
Los Angeles
I dont get why people believe that.
Sony so far hasnt shown any competent interest in having BC. They dropped the PS2 for PS4 initiative pretty fast, havent bothered with PS1 emulation and they just used a open source PS1 emulator for their PS1 mini lol
I believe Sony will lack BC and thats will be their big fuck up nextgen.
MS on the other hand has everything in place now with beautiful 360 and OG Xbox Emulation and for MS you can really say that you will be able to XboxOne games on the next Xbox too.
Lmfao
 

N.Domixis

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
9,208
I dont get why people believe that.
Sony so far hasnt shown any competent interest in having BC. They dropped the PS2 for PS4 initiative pretty fast, havent bothered with PS1 emulation and they just used a open source PS1 emulator for their PS1 mini lol
I believe Sony will lack BC and thats will be their big fuck up nextgen.
MS on the other hand has everything in place now with beautiful 360 and OG Xbox Emulation and for MS you can really say that you will be able to XboxOne games on the next Xbox too.
Thankfully Matt has already hinted that BC will be there. It's delusion for you to think Sony won't have it. If ms wasn't pushing it sure, Sony wouldn't care. But MS is using it constantly to put out games in 4K. So Sony will include it to remove that advantage they have. Also, Sony knows, I know, resetera knows, and you know that if Sony doesn't include it. It will be none stop potshot galore tweets at the PS5 reveal. They will be a laughing stock at their reveal. Sony's smart enough to know that launching a console with positive PR is important since they already know what happens when you dont. Look at Ps3 and Xbox 1.

If Sony doesn't have BC, MS will post some viral video about how to play old games and it will be a PR nightmare.

Besides, by including it, they lock up their entire fanbase from this gen because no one wants to leave behind their library behind.
 
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bunkitz

Brave Little Spark
Moderator
Oct 28, 2017
13,523
Day one digital and physical backwards compatibility, let's go! Seriously, Sony, I will support your next console whether it has that or not, but for your success and the enjoyment of all the other fans, I hope you don't fuck this up by not including that.

Also, I really hope the DualShock 5 is at least as awesome as its predecessor. The DualShock 4 is the best controller I've ever used by a mile. Aside from the battery, I guess, but I don't really mind that. It's good that I need to stand up every once in a while anyway. Plus, Rest Mode charging while downloading updates and games is convenient as heck. Oh, yeah, please have day one rest mode and game suspension. Really don't wanna have to wait long before awesome little features like that make it to the console.
 

Decarb

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,642
Unless this reddit person sits in Sony boardroom (which is not very likely lol) he can not possibly know at this point what will be the price of PS5.

He is in my friend's list and we played shitload of Destiny together. I dunno where he gets his info from but I can tell you for sure he's not in Sony's boardroom lol.
 

Peterc

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
370
I wonder, if Xbox one X monster machine cost about 499$ and even can't get 4k with 60fps for all their games.
Is ps5 will launch in 2020 with real 4k ofcourse what would that mean?

- Just PS4 but with real 4k gfx and 600$
- Or real next gen with next gen gfx and 4k 1200$

It doesn't seem realistic to me that they will release a console with a normal price +/- 300$ with next gen gfx and 4k, thats impossible
 

Bernd Lauert

Banned
May 27, 2018
1,812
I wonder, if Xbox one X monster machine cost about 499$ and even can't get 4k with 60fps for all their games.
Is ps5 will launch in 2020 with real 4k ofcourse what would that mean?

- Just PS4 but with real 4k gfx and 600$
- Or real next gen with next gen gfx and 4k 1200$

It doesn't seem realistic to me that they will release a console with a normal price +/- 300$ with next gen gfx and 4k, thats impossible

I hope it's gonna be super plus next gen with surreal next gen gfx and 8k for 2400$.
 

VallenValiant

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,598
I dont get why people believe that.
Sony so far hasnt shown any competent interest in having BC. They dropped the PS2 for PS4 initiative pretty fast, havent bothered with PS1 emulation and they just used a open source PS1 emulator for their PS1 mini lol
I believe Sony will lack BC and thats will be their big fuck up nextgen.
MS on the other hand has everything in place now with beautiful 360 and OG Xbox Emulation and for MS you can really say that you will be able to XboxOne games on the next Xbox too.
You don't seem to understand why BC is important. And no, it has nothing to do with PS1 emulation.

PS1 emulation would be nice, but Sony really has no reason to spend money on it because there is no money in it. However, there is a lot of money riding on PS4 BC on the PS5. Perhaps more than ever. It is all about two things; GaaS and PS+.
These are two things, because they are technically separate as they are not compatible with each other. One does not require the other.

GaaS tend to not require PS+ because they are free to play, but it is important that the continuity is maintained between generations in order to keep people invested in the digital goods they already purchased. People are less likely to quit a GaaS game if they feel they would "lose" all the money they already spent. Third parties are the main suppliers of GaaS and Sony want to keep the likes of Fortnite and Overwatch on their side.

PS+ is, separately, a steady money earner for Sony for barely any work. Sony has no interest in watching the subscriptions drop off as people get rid of their PS4s, and perhaps never re-subscribe again. Sony want to keep people subscribed, and the best way is to keep their digital games playable on the PS5. So just as with the GaaS, the continuity between generations create a false sense of wealth that would prevent players from ending their subs.

And one final point, is that BC of PS4 games is a way for Sony to partially transfer their domination to the next generation. it is a way for Sony to not having to be on an even playing field, to have an unfair head-start over Xbox. This is more important than anything, and easier to do that any silly notion of physically releasing PS5 earlier than Scarlet.
 

Marble

Banned
Nov 27, 2017
3,819
I believe there are a couple games that have a 60fps mode on One X but not on Pro, yes. These do not also have much higher res, though; it's because the user can choose to prioritize fps instead. But the lack of comparable choice on Pro indicates only One X is easily capable of it. You're right that most games aren't like this, though.

Very curious what games have a 60fps option on X and not on Pro.
 
Oct 28, 2017
8,071
2001
Here's hoping they bring back the Spider-Man font.
latest
 

GraveRobberX

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,056
Ever game that is remotely GaaS oriented and has a healthy base will be getting a PS5 upgrade ASAP

wouldn't be surprised Day 1 if most F2P get visual boosts and streamlined to be available to be had with account and save migration/progression like Fortnite, WarFrame

games like R6 Siege, For Honor, Anthem, The Division 2, can also be extended indefinitely
 

VallenValiant

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,598
Wonder if we'll see this pricing for ps5?
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Of course not. And the fact that ERA is demanding that Sony do so, is even more reason not to do it.

Sony can see the difference between the launch of PS3 and the launch of PS4, and decide which they want to emulate, And only ERA is crazy enough to think PS3's launch is in any way meant to be anything short of a lesson in what NOT to do.
 

big_z

Member
Nov 2, 2017
7,797
I was hoping for 2021 tbh.

You might get that wish. I've been telling the kids back in 2017 that a 2018/2019 launch wasn't happening. End of 2020 has been the proposed launch window for a while but it might get pushed depending on various factors.
People also need to temper their power expectations. Sony is looking to repeat the ps4. So expect something cost efficient at $399. Microsoft I've only heard they aren't fucking around.
 

Rikster

Unshakable Resolve - One Winged Slayer
Member
Jun 24, 2018
2,076
California
New systems ain't getting here till 2020-2021. Even though I'd love to have new ones come out next year.
 

Mr_Antimatter

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,571
Personally I'd love to see an eight core 2400g based console with additional gpu side improvements and 16 gigs of gddr. I'm not sure if that would be enough for 4K 60fps though.
 

bane833

Banned
Nov 3, 2017
4,530
I dont get why people believe that.
Sony so far hasnt shown any competent interest in having BC. They dropped the PS2 for PS4 initiative pretty fast, havent bothered with PS1 emulation and they just used a open source PS1 emulator for their PS1 mini lol
I believe Sony will lack BC and thats will be their big fuck up nextgen.
MS on the other hand has everything in place now with beautiful 360 and OG Xbox Emulation and for MS you can really say that you will be able to XboxOne games on the next Xbox too.
I love how people always compare completely irrelevant shit like PS1 emulation to full PS4 BC. The second will be a standard feature coming gen because everyone will want to lock their existing userbase into their ecosystem. Consumers will demand it because they want to keep their library and to seemlessly continue playing games where they invested a lot of time in.

It would be an absolutely massive disadvantage to not have it.
 
Oct 28, 2017
8,071
2001
Hmmm I might actually have to camp outside Best Buy again for it. I pre ordered PS4 on amazon but I miss the excitement of camping outside Best Buy for my ps3 in 2006.
 

Iztok

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,136
lol, a good amount of games this gen aren't even 1080p 60fps.

Don't be silly. it

Fornite should be able to do that though.

Fortnite is alrady 4k/60fps on X1X.

Also, baseline for next gen will most likely be 4k/30 with fidelity matching whatever performance gains the new machines provide.
 

Iztok

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,136
I dont get why people believe that.
Sony so far hasnt shown any competent interest in having BC. They dropped the PS2 for PS4 initiative pretty fast, havent bothered with PS1 emulation and they just used a open source PS1 emulator for their PS1 mini lol
I believe Sony will lack BC and thats will be their big fuck up nextgen.
MS on the other hand has everything in place now with beautiful 360 and OG Xbox Emulation and for MS you can really say that you will be able to XboxOne games on the next Xbox too.

They're 100% keeping the x86 architecture and OS/Store.
It makes perfect business sense to do so, it'd be impressively stupid if they decided against it.
The success of their mid-gen refresh only solidifes this.