I'm not calling her racist.
Nope. The fact modern America is this messy is a fact. I'm not the one in denial here.
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Chipotle manager+staff tells these customers they have to pay first lol (Up: Tweets Change Story)
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I'm not calling her racist.
Nope. The fact modern America is this messy is a fact. I'm not the one in denial here.
Who is doing this? No one denies it's a thing that happens hence why people initially reacted the way they did, but continuing to defend the incident and use "the actual state of modern America" to justify asshole thieves is a bad look. You're just sidestepping addressing THIS incident because there are numerous other cases where it was as it appeared (racism). Why be so stubborn about admitting in this case it wasn't that?
No, sorry, but I'm not defending arsehole thieves as my earlier posts clearly prove.
Sure, if you just want to take one side's story at face value and apply no critical thinking to watching the video. Sure, it looks 100%. But even in the video the other side is claiming they have come there before and scammed there before. This is not after the video trying to explain her actions, this is her in the video explaining to them why she isn't serving them. Which if you work retail you would know that it is quite common to get thieves who keep coming back (especially after it worked the first time). And who will argue with you and try to make you appear the bad guy in any way they can (scammers tend to try to twist things around on you, this is a very common thing with scammers). It's not like she's giving an unbelievable excuse.
It's very much a he said she said case there. We have nothing else to go by other than what both sides are saying in the video if we just go by the video. And just cause they are black doesn't make them necessarily more honest than her. Nor just because there is a lot of racism out there means that she must automatically being racist. We really have no idea from the video who is telling the truth as we don't know either side, we have no other context of either side's actions to decide who is being honest there. There is nothing in that video that 100% backs anything.
Just because there are often wolves out there, doesn't mean one should cry "wolf" for lols. The punishment for doing so should be severe.
No, the video looks absolutely like the countless other racist incidents. Which is why, regardless of the history these kids have, the way she handled it was wrong.
Without the tweets, this looks like one in a never ending line of racist incidents.
Oh boy, it's messy but this situation became clear cut as soon as his earlier tweets came out. At this point CCTV footage could come out showing these scammers hustling at the same restaurant with the same manager and you'd still try to argue she could have just been a racist.
Alright, I'm going to hate myself for continuing to interact with you but, "why was it these individuals" she decided not to treat equally? By your logic, and this is an 100% racist scenario that we've seen before in America, why didnt she deny service to other people of color historically? What made this time different?
it's because they scammed the store before
I'm saying that the video looked 100% like another in an endless line of racist incidents.
And even if the kids have a history of this behaviour, modern America is systemically racist enough that it could be a coincidence.
The kid is a shit anyway for his past behaviour and homophobic language, and at the very least Chipolte needs to look into this again and not just sit on their decision, but anyone denying this situation is messy enough to have this conversation is, imo, in extreme denial about the current state of America.
Messy on initial emotional reaction perhaps, quite clean in retrospect and with context.
You being so defensive about believing the video comes off as Doth Protest Too Much
No, messy because of the current state of America and the endless stream of racist incidents.
And yet, again, with context, we find it is an incident which occurs outside that paradigm and was framed as within in it for exploitation.
Quite clean.
Not at all clean, no, and I believe the current state of America and frequency of racist incidents makes this obvious.
I'm turning off notifications for this thread now, as I've said my part and it's just going in circles. If anyone would like to raise any points we haven't covered then please feel free to PM me.
and at what point can we react to people we recognize as being dishonest in the way that she did without the shadow of racism looming over our heads?
Look, the manager could have been a little more professional true, but is it her fault or a lack of training. It's easy to sit back and point at what she did wrong when not in her shoes but unless you've been in a similar situation, I can't say anyone would "act" appropriately. She shouldn't have been fired in my opinion. Jessica Price got fired for "acting inappropriately" to a customer on twitter. Was she fired justly?
What about the fact that the manager was a woman? Would a man have been fired for acting the way she did? Would a white person have been fired for acting the way she did? Would she have acted the same to a group of white guys she recognized as being dishonest?
I don't know if I'm coming off ignorant or not, I'm just curious, as to your "messy America" when people can be people to each other and not have it be racially motivated.
*Andre turns to the camera*
"Why would the Chipotle manager do this?"
This is why you don't jump to conclusions until all the facts are in. You look like a fool when you assume. You should treat each person as an individual and not a representation of their whole race/culture. This goes for everyone.
Exactly. It is pretty clear in the video there is history with the manager having experienced these "customers". Zero indication it had to do with race.
Still, he probably couldn't afford to get sued. You only sue folks who have money to pay it.
The confirmation bias and victim mentality on display over the last couple pages is hilarious. Stop it.
So watching the video now for the first time knowing all the context I definitely think that the manager didn't handle the situation well. You have to explain in calm and clear terms why you aren't going to serve these guys or why there is an expectation they pay before hand. The staff is either getting in on it or they seem lost. She has to be the one to guide them through the process.
Knowing these dudes were known for trying to con free food put her in a really shitty spot though. Restaurant definitely hosed her, its wild they dont do a real investigation before they fire.
Those dudes fucking suck though. Fuck them.
Knowing these dudes were known for trying to con free food put her in a really shitty spot though. Restaurant definitely hosed her, its wild they dont do a real investigation before they fire.
Those dudes fucking suck though. Fuck them.
Yeah that isn't the same at all
People are cheering? Link?
Well thank you for solving the problem of race relations, people just need to stop looking for it and it goes away. PoC will be thrilled of this new development.
Except the entire history of racism in this country, except for that. Without that framework, yes, there is zero indication.
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There is something wrong when the types of responses prompted a company to wrongfully fire an employee. You need to equate how large groups of people have the individuals back.
Its wrong to keep having their back and cheering for the firing of a woman who did nothing wrong.
The responses weren't initially misguided, because we don't live in a society that is vacuous when it comes to a sociopolitical history of how black people are treated in service. Every now and again there are assholes like these boys. But you do not throw the baby out with the bathwater and wag your finger at black folks for leaning on the side that inherently has the burden of assumption.
Astro isn't cheering for the employee being fired. Just saying she might have still had racial bias regardless of being wrongfully terminated, which pretty much anyone growing up in a western society does.
For all the talk about how we need to be nuanced, I'm surprised people aren't able to parse two different statements.
I saw some other tweets by the same person using all kinds of homophobic and anti-semitic language, too.
Very confused as to how a person like that has so many defenders.
Deepthought and Astro on this page. Aone of the mods on page 6 and 7
Are you talking about Twitter, or here? Because nobody is defending him here.
So just saying they were right to fire her is cheering?
How is it anyone else's fault that Chipotle completely failed to perform any kind of investigation before immediately firing the employee?
'She might still be racist' shouldnt even be a discussion here.
It is a discussion now because people have used the asshole's tweets to effectively say "The blacks were at it again, and it finally blew up in their faces. Maybe they'll stay in their place next time."
Okay, that is your opinion, now how is an alternative opinion "cheering"? Is there a parade I was not informed of? Are there balloons?
The following post stated it pretty well.
Social media has influences.
She might still be a racist even though we have no evidence and she was justified in this one interaction. Better fire her incase she is a racist that got lucky.
Yeah, that claim was made by the thieves that have since been discredited. It no longer has any basis.
Hopefully. I doubt a barely above minimum wage fast food shift manager can afford a lawyer though.
If you think she should have been fired for refusing service to known thieves you're being a dick very deliberately.
the least people can do is say she should get her job back. People here still happy about her losing her job.