Giant Panda claiming is useless. Kylie targets you and you are either dead scum or confirmed townie. You'd only give scum more info to work with tonight.
Give your reads and thoughts on everyone instead. What do you make of the push against you, does anyone stand out in these last hours etc
BREAKING NEWS: A Scream can be heard from the Cabinet meeting...
"NOTHING HAS CHANGED. NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!!!!!!!!!"
"I AM THERESA MAY, I AM THE COMING OF BREXIT!"
Murmers of Theresa May aggressively pointing at another politician...
"YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE. PLEASE LEAVE."
"No. It's your turn to leave, Tezza."
In a flurry of 48 strongly worded letters, Theresa May exits the building.
Kalor has been eliminated!
United We Stand.
Stop talking us down.
Brexit Britain is a Global Britain.
Except you. You're not welcome. Or you. Yes, even you.
Welcome to Brexit Phase 2 Mafia!
You are Theresa May.
You're still here. Nobody knows why. You've defied critics, naysayers, anyone with common sense really. You're inept, boring, not very sympathetic and old.
You're still here though. Well done.
You are aligned with TOWN.
You are a Backfire Override. Once in the game, you can overturn the day's vote for a target of your choice with the command STRONG AND STABLE: <playername>. If your target is TOWN-aligned, then you will die instead. If the target is NOT TOWN-aligned then your target will die.
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Arlene Foster was found, impaled on her own sword.
She fought valiantly against a woman's right to choose and equality amongst society.
She leaves behind a non-functioning devolved government in Northern Ireland
Grizzly has been eliminated!
United We Stand.
Stop talking us down.
Brexit Britain is a Global Britain.
Except you. You're not welcome. Or you. Yes, even you.
Welcome to Brexit Phase 2 Mafia!
You are Arlene Foster.
Finally, the dismal election results have been able to put the DUP on the map. A party so competent that they've been unable to govern their own country for over a year, now is the time to show the people outside of Northern Ireland how serious you truly are. Give 'em hell.
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So far, I think there is at least 2 scum in the group of Stu/Alex/Sophia
Stuart
I am treating(or will try to) the whole frustration/Anger/Replacement Talk/Meltdown/Defeatist thing as NAI at best. I will still reference it because some of it I do read in a scummy way. No one should try to townread him for it. I saw a few posts saying "im townreading stu based on the meltdown". That's just lazy. Whether your scum or town, if someone pushes your buttons, you will react. On with my read.
I've already outlined my issues/scumread of stu. Some actions I feel are contradictory. Refers to outside games too much to defend his scumread actions this game, which is weak and lazy. Sometimes I also have a problem with the way he words things.Here(1123), faddy mentions Stu/ET and actually says he townreads Stu after it. Stu still chimes in just to mention he has done it multiple times as town.
His read/attack on me reads like desperate scum tactics. He doesnt try to argue the facts, he just attacks the person behind them. Throughout the day he posted several reasons for scum reading me. Him not liking my vote on Dubs is understandable. Not posting at EOD, I was dragged into chat with Fanto, Not changing my vote at all compared to other games (This is a lie btw, I usually never move my vote), me saying my vote may change. Those are lazy reasons with no true teeth behind them. Funny thing is he mentioned giving others the benefit of the doubt in regards D1(being busy etc), but I dont get it(eod activity)? On one side he is using my past play to scumread me but on the other refuses to use it to townread me. All this harping on me about the vote, but when questioned about his thoughts on my posting he refused to answer. Why? Because he knows that's "typical Town Zeke". Keep that same energy.
Stu on my Dubs Vote(Here) He clings desperately to my vote on dubs. The quotes he dig up sorta explain my reasoning for the vote and never changing the vote when I was able to post during the day.
1. I thought Dubs overreacted to Fant's theory. That combined with reading Gorlak's post as heavily defending Dubs(Which is why I voted dubs while quoting Gorlak). I wanted to vote dubs. I also didn't see Gor's vote, so no I wasnt trying to piggyback off of Gor's vote.
2. I didn't like how Dubs thought I was scummy, but didnt want to vote for me.
On Day 1, those are just as valid reasons as any to vote someone to me. Another "point" he makes against me is I didnt vote Grizz over Dubs. I viewed Grizz and Dubs on the same level of scummy. So him using that scumlist I made when I said Grizz and Dubs would be tied in that same list ,is weak. I also remembered Grizz said he would be busy, so whywould I try to vote him?
Stuart's Defense of Donna's Contractory posts about ET are other posts giving me scum vibes.
He wants the person who created the chat to come forward. - Scummy
His top Scum is Me/GP/Kalor - He's been playing an active role in getting all 3 lynched/scum read. 2 of those are confirmed Townies. He played a very active role in trying to save ET. That's a bad track record.
He rolled over and accepted Chug's claim. Didn't question anything about it. Couldnt think of any reason why scum would do it? It didnt take me long to think of a reason scum may attempt it. Maybe it was just a lazy play or he knew more than the rest of us did.
Stuart/Nin/Zeke/Donna
It seems that the "breaking point" for stu may be centered around his donna defensiveness?*shrug*
He says I tried to push Donna day1 on it, I didnt. He also jumps overboard about a read I made the first night based on that Day 1. I wrote what stuck out to me. Which was yea she said she was sick/forums messing up, she also mentioned she was playing another game and that she didnt feel like manually going back in the thread to do reads. The crazy part is, no one was even going hard on donna about her activity. It was mainly the CONTENT of her posts. So him going about it the way he did was unwarranted imo. My issue with Donna wasnt about activity, it was her reaction to me wanting her scumread on me and her post explaining her scumread on me. I hope she feels better and gets well.
Alexem
A lot of his posts read like filler. His reads list here, reads like just the general view already posted by most of the thread. He does manage to comment on posts like this. Which I read as busywork. Makes him seem more involved than he actually is. Also GP and Kalor turned out to be town.
Sophia
She explained the vote on D1. Meh, still feel scummy about it. My issue with Sophia is she doesnt seem to be commenting on anything "real". Day 1 she entertained my tunnel joke talk. Then after voting me her reasoning for doing so was kinda weak imo. Looking at day 2 she doesnt really give any reads. A few of her comments seem to be on non issue things or things that dont require her to pay attention much. Surface level things. Comments on the claims and things of that nature. Sometimes she has to be asked directly for input on specific things like reads or thoughts. Her Kalor read was another post that was basically a summary on how the thread saw Kalor. Some examples of her stoking the fires are posts 1930 and post sds .
Chug/Donna
So far I believe the claim. Well the way it unfolded anyway. I still don't agree with claiming. Still think it could be to cover scum movement, but the "flub" while claiming seems innocent. I will have to look at it again, will keep my eye on him.
Turmoil
I like a majority of his posts and he feels towny. There was a post or two that I didnt like though. One post listed Kalor and GP as his top scummiest. May need to look more into him.
CS
Scum lean. Idk put into the blarg species of posters. So havent been paying attention too much, since I can't read that playstyle. Did push hard for Kalor to use his power on GP.
Gir
Sort of nullish for me. I remember having a problem with a couple of his posts. The one where he makes note of how active he is compared to his low activity scum game. Then the post trying to setup a D3 lynch on Chugg if nothing happens to him during the night.
Faddy
Thinking about it, slight scum vibes. Some of his comments make it seem like he isnt really paying attn. Like he mentioned chugs claim involving items. Then there was the response to me explaining why I should post Fanto's reads. Although with chugs he did mention being a fruit vendor and it seems like he misread my post. He does bring up that burnout is playing a factor. Will need to look more closely.
Grizzly
I had him as a slight scum lean from day 1. Day 2 I felt better about the posting. Didn't like his post egging on the GP override.
Melonrabbit
She is here, but she isnt. She chooses such odd things to focus on when she does post. Seems elusive. Null for me.
AbsoluteBro
Busy. Also has some posts I like and dont like. Slight Scum read due to him trying to fish a pr claim out of GP.
Those are who I have so far, will go over gorlak, and others later.
Thoughts on Override Claim and the Reactions
I think scum may have tried to steer Kalor to use power on GP on purpose. Couldn't risk the Kalor being swayed from GP to another target. There was a point where I wanted to hear what GP would say, because I figured there was something GP could do that would clear him possibly.
CoolestSpot - Went into overdrive pushing for Kalor to use power on GP. Possibly Scum vs Scum D1?
You put us in a postion where we have to vote you for you to use your power, cause then you can be some use cause you're dying either way tonight by Scum in all likeyhood. You been coasting and this seems like a way of buying yourself time or saving Giant Panda, or in general playing some grander game. So why not we all vote you, you shoot for Giant Panda, and we can move on from there?
They were vote leader before Kalor, and I think most would agree they should be voted off the island since that was the natural progession.
Now getting feedback from someone who will either be cleared or not? I don't know why that matters, either they are are scum or not, when pulling the mask off a scobby doo villain you don't stop halfway through to say "Hey, do you want us to pull this off?"
With that said, doesnt necessarily mean it was guaranteed scum would try it, just wanted to point the above out. Above posts are scummy to me. People who were trying to sway Kalor away from GP, i view slightly better, depending on the timing of their post.
Sophia sticks out a lot here for me because it seems like she sits on the sidelines on stokes the fire.
I'm just going to come out and say that I know full well that I've not played well so far. I've not had the time I'd need to follow things and post as frequently as I'd have liked to, my reads haven't been great (and in yesterday's case, completely off the mark) and in retrospect, even I can see how suspect the timing of my votes looks.
At this point, I've put my reads into three rough groups - some are stronger than others - based on the voting and observations.
Town side: DCPat, Faddy, Panda, Spot, Turmoil.
Middling: Chuggernaut, Ezekel, Gir, Malus, Melon, Sophia, Z-Beat
Scum side: Absolutbro, Gorlak, Nin, Stuart
I don't claim this to be perfect, but that's roughly how I feel coming out of D2.
I see no point in making excuses for my performance in this point and I can understand that by now there are fair reasons for me getting scum read. I will say that I'm town, for whatever that's worth, and I hope that I'll be to make more sense of things today. I'll catch up with as much as I can in the morning.
I'm just going to come out and say that I know full well that I've not played well so far. I've not had the time I'd need to follow things and post as frequently as I'd have liked to, my reads haven't been great (and in yesterday's case, completely off the mark) and in retrospect, even I can see how suspect the timing of my votes looks.
I think we have a strong town core in nin, coolest, giant panda. Adding myself, malus and chuggernaut feels pretty good.
Scum are probably in Stuart and Gorlak. And a couple of partners under the radar.
I think stuart felt very exposed yesterday when I started pushing back on him, which he probably didn't expect since I said he was town. I think it makes a lot of sense with the way he played that he is with Extreme Tactician and was frustrated that his partners did not save him. His move to try and pull coolest to his side and then deny it yesterday was also very scummy.
tbf, you do post defensively and you do refuse to see it as defensive. That's your playstyle. Consider it an attack on your playstyle than on your person.
Why would I feel exposed? Other than getting annoyed with people giving my sly digs for "being different" with zero explanation of what is different or why they think I am scummy, it is impossible to respond to.
tbf, you do post defensively and you do refuse to see it as defensive. That's your playstyle. Consider it an attack on your playstyle than on your person.
I don't believe Donna is scum. If she was, I think her D1 would have been different. She wouldn't even need to worry about the forums breaking as she could have asked in scum chat for ideas/links to posts.
This post rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand how this can be said. Whatever alignment Donna is she still wouldve been not able to post. Due to reasons she stated earlier. If Donna is scum, why wouldnt she still use the forum breaking as an excuse? It's a legit excuse no matter what alignment.
Why would I feel exposed? Other than getting annoyed with people giving my sly digs for "being different" with zero explanation of what is different or why they think I am scummy, it is impossible to respond to.
GP is the only confirmed but I think I have a good read on the others. Especially with Grizzly's flip it makes nin far less likely to be a neutral which I was wary of.
This post rubs me the wrong way. I don't understand how this can be said. Whatever alignment Donna is she still wouldve been not able to post. Due to reasons she stated earlier. If Donna is scum, why wouldnt she still use the forum breaking as an excuse? It's a legit excuse no matter what alignment.
I think Kalor going for GP was the only way we could make progress as down, even if in highsight it was the biggest blow up in our faces
Grizzly's role is interesting and while I don't care for losing such a role that's not directly town-aligned, Griz was a great player for town and offered insight and reads. Them being targetted for these reasons make sense to me, but upset the spot all the same.
I felt you have taken advantage of the fact I called you town. I don't think you have analysed the game well and I think your posts are pretty scummy. And really I can't see a world where we don't lynch you for how you tried to save ET on day 1.
Grizzly's role is interesting and while I don't care for losing such a role that's not directly town-aligned, Griz was a great player for town and offered insight and reads. Them being targetted for these reasons make sense to me, but upset the spot all the same.
I felt you have taken advantage of the fact I called you town. I don't think you have analysed the game well and I think your posts are pretty scummy. And really I can't see a world where we don't lynch you for how you tried to save ET on day 1.
honestly the only thing saving Stuart in my eyes anymore is how emotional he's been and taking offence to how players come at him with filmsy reasoning sometimes and halfhearted comments.
I love you man and can't turn on you for those reasons, but if your scum using your emotions to sway me one way just know I will find you
actucally that was a stupid ass post on second post. Stuart has done plently as town, and trying to save ET off the bat would be a dumb scum move, but besides that he did a lot of plays I can go quote if needed that made him town in my eyes.
I'm half awake right now but that was a slip of the mind.
actucally that was a stupid ass post on second post. Stuart has done plently as town, and trying to save ET off the bat would be a dumb scum move, but besides that he did a lot of plays I can go quote if needed that made him town in my eyes.
I'm half awake right now but that was a slip of the mind.
