No, the correct move shouldve been to read CS as scum.
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BREXIT MAFIA PHASE 2 | Border-Line Insanity!
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"the correct move would be to do what I want you to do" is how I read this.
Because he does gambits and you're gambiting on that.
Then again if he isn't lying then either you're lying or scum is up to some shit.
either way, idc, this has taken up too much time already.
That's not what you said lol. I can't read your mind either.
*shrug*
Gambits within gambits withing gambits
Gambitception.
*Looks at spinning top*
Is this still a gambit?
Ok, this was my problem. I knew something made me feel weird.
Chugs has said I ruined some plan of his to out a scum note giver. For his plan to work, I would've needed to know how to answer this. This played a reason in why I thought he was just fishing for my power specifically.
At this point Zeke, I just wanted a straightforward answer that wasn't a shrug or dismissal. So if wanting clarification from a player that has been holding back most of the game makes me scummy so be it.
So in the end, no note and no movement and everyone is being ambiguous with their answers. Okay.
Did we learn anything?
So in the end, no note and no movement and everyone is being ambiguous with their answers. Okay.
Did we learn anything?
Good morning, I probably won't have as much time as usual, until around the evening.
Vote: melonrabbit
My scum-o-meter regarding her is off the charts. Everything about the reaction to Kalor same as to the note speaks suspicious to me.
Other than that I agree with Zeke regarding Stu/Soph/Alexem. At least one scum. Feeling worst about Sophia.
The clash between Faddy and Stu doesn't feel like town/twon to me as well. As of now I lean towards believing Faddy unlike yesterday where it was the other way around.
Your townread (and a few others) on Stu D1 swayed me away from him, that's why I asked what's suddenly so different.
I have to look who voted first, but I think it was Faddy when the day end was in a t/t lock. That's also a good look for him.
Turmoil reads like his logical town self from previous games.
Vote: melonrabbit
My scum-o-meter regarding her is off the charts. Everything about the reaction to Kalor same as to the note speaks suspicious to me.
Other than that I agree with Zeke regarding Stu/Soph/Alexem. At least one scum. Feeling worst about Sophia.
The clash between Faddy and Stu doesn't feel like town/twon to me as well. As of now I lean towards believing Faddy unlike yesterday where it was the other way around.
Your townread (and a few others) on Stu D1 swayed me away from him, that's why I asked what's suddenly so different.
I have to look who voted first, but I think it was Faddy when the day end was in a t/t lock. That's also a good look for him.
Turmoil reads like his logical town self from previous games.
Vote: gir
I have a weird feeling about gir right now. At the risk of making this seem like a OMGUS, he had a weird stance about me getting NK that I thought was kind of odd. I still don't understand why scum would waste time killing a sleepwalker at this stage of the game.
I have a weird feeling about gir right now. At the risk of making this seem like a OMGUS, he had a weird stance about me getting NK that I thought was kind of odd. I still don't understand why scum would waste time killing a sleepwalker at this stage of the game.
There was one post yesterday that said: "Giant Panda was just wrongly defending ET, I don't see anything suspicious" - someone had voiced this opinion and it read like TMI. Can't find it at the moment though :/
OP
OP
Coolest, breach the rules again and you'll be modkilled.
I will post when I have an update on a replacement for Sophia.
Other than that, carry on.
Love each other.
I will post when I have an update on a replacement for Sophia.
Other than that, carry on.
Love each other.
After the Grizzly flip I feel much better about CoolestSpot. I don't think scum would play two of their own against each other on Day 1 if there is the third option of an inactive Grizzly available.
Girs vote on ExtremeTactician puts him into a good light in my opinion, since he could as well have put it on CS instead and nobody would have minded.
Stuart questioning all ET votes doesn't put him in a good light.
I've got a very bad feeling about AbsoluteBro. His vote D1 with the reasoning that he feels CS is protected while protecting ET rubs me the wrong way. His reasoning on D2 is also quite flimsy harping on Zeke but then voting for Kalor.
Not sure what to make of Faddy. He doesn't seem as vocal as in the other games I've seen him in though he does explain it with Mafia fatigue.
Nin is a little suspect to me for his voting pattern. His claim on D1 reads to me like he tried to copy Faddys play from Conspiracy Mafia to gain town points. But he is one of the most active players while in Conspiracy he was mostly coasting as scum.
Girs vote on ExtremeTactician puts him into a good light in my opinion, since he could as well have put it on CS instead and nobody would have minded.
Stuart questioning all ET votes doesn't put him in a good light.
I've got a very bad feeling about AbsoluteBro. His vote D1 with the reasoning that he feels CS is protected while protecting ET rubs me the wrong way. His reasoning on D2 is also quite flimsy harping on Zeke but then voting for Kalor.
Not sure what to make of Faddy. He doesn't seem as vocal as in the other games I've seen him in though he does explain it with Mafia fatigue.
Nin is a little suspect to me for his voting pattern. His claim on D1 reads to me like he tried to copy Faddys play from Conspiracy Mafia to gain town points. But he is one of the most active players while in Conspiracy he was mostly coasting as scum.
Seeing your 2nd post about me, you know now how I feel about Alexem. I certainly planned on going after Alexem today. I feel like D1 and D2 I've let myself steared a bit. So I wanted to have a vote down early this day phase.
Things feel not better for him since yesterday. Altought I'm flattered that I'm now suddenly in his townreads, I think he is the only one townreading me, people seem to null read me more. So Alexem townreading me as the only person is a bit suspicious.
VOTE: Alexem
I was too quick to buy into the idea of getting a green check that I didn't really consider the consequences. When Kalor claimed his role, my reaction was that not only would it give an answer on two players that I'd had misgivings about, but we'd either get a second scum kill or, at least, get a solid green check. So, I was all for Kalor targeting you at the time. It was pretty much after I'd posted that that I realised the risk of you getting targeted for the night kill. By that time, it had been pointed out, so I'd have only been parroting other's statement if I took back what I'd said. Not proud of how that turned out, but I'd rather be honest about it.
I have a slight town lean on DCPat after the second day. His stance on ET seems to have been fairly genuine to me, and although he went for Kalor on D2, I think that it was still with good intentions. I also find myself agreeing with him on Stuart, who my view of has dimmed as things have gone on. While I don't see much point in dwelling further on his attitude at the start of D2, there was a post towards that end of D1 that stuck in my mind:
This struck me as a possible attempt to give himself an out regardless of how ET flipped. From there, elements such as his pushing of Spot over ET in D1 and his stance on GP in D2 didn't sit well with me. Now there's his handling of the Chuggernaut matter that Zeke's raised on top of that. Also, this post from D2 gave me somewhat of a role-fishing vibe:
In all, my feeling about Stuart has really shifted as the game has gone on, and the arguments against him are adding up more and more to me.
VOTE: Stuart444
I've felt good about Gir day 1, but it seems like he vanished a bit a day 2. Nin and Gorlak seem town to me. Gorlak more than Nin tho. So if we want to believe that there is scum on the Grizzly train, I'd go for Gir. Ranking town to scum between the 3: Gorlak, Nin, Gir.
By the way here is the current claim list (thanks to Fantomas for the template):
This is the Role Claim List.
All Confirmed roles are listed first, split between Town and Scum.
Then among the people still alive, the list is split between who has claimed and who has not.
All claims are in chronological order to the best of my ability.
There is a link to the post with either their Role PM if they are dead, or their claim if they are still alive.
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Confirmed Town Due To Death:
Fantomas - Ordinary - Died N1
Kalor - Backfire Override - Died D2
Confirmed Neutral Due To Death:
Grizzly - Mentor - Died N2
Confirmed Scum Due To Death:
ExtremeTactician - Goon - Died D1
Still Living And Claimed:
Nin - Ordinary - Claimed D1https://www.resetera.com/posts/14987026/
CoolestSpot -Bomber Ordinary - Claimed D1, unclaimed D1, claimed again D1
TheChuggernaut (empressdonna) - Sleepwalker - Claimed D2https://www.resetera.com/posts/15172441/
Miscellaneous Claims:
EzekelRAGE - Was invited to a night chat with Fantomas by a 3rd party - Claimed D2
CoolestSpot - Received Note that EzekelRAGE visited TheCuggernaut N2 - Claimed D3
No Claims:
turmoil7
Sophia
Stuart444
absolutbro
EzekelRAGE
Gorlak
Alexem
melonrabbit
Giant Panda
gir
malus (B-Dubs)
DCPat
Z-Beat
Faddy
This is the Role Claim List.
All Confirmed roles are listed first, split between Town and Scum.
Then among the people still alive, the list is split between who has claimed and who has not.
All claims are in chronological order to the best of my ability.
There is a link to the post with either their Role PM if they are dead, or their claim if they are still alive.
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Confirmed Town Due To Death:
Fantomas - Ordinary - Died N1
Kalor - Backfire Override - Died D2
Confirmed Neutral Due To Death:
Grizzly - Mentor - Died N2
Confirmed Scum Due To Death:
ExtremeTactician - Goon - Died D1
Still Living And Claimed:
Nin - Ordinary - Claimed D1https://www.resetera.com/posts/14987026/
CoolestSpot -
TheChuggernaut (empressdonna) - Sleepwalker - Claimed D2https://www.resetera.com/posts/15172441/
Miscellaneous Claims:
EzekelRAGE - Was invited to a night chat with Fantomas by a 3rd party - Claimed D2
CoolestSpot - Received Note that EzekelRAGE visited TheCuggernaut N2 - Claimed D3
No Claims:
turmoil7
Sophia
Stuart444
absolutbro
EzekelRAGE
Gorlak
Alexem
melonrabbit
Giant Panda
gir
malus (B-Dubs)
DCPat
Z-Beat
Faddy
There we have it. Why did it have to be you, turmoil7? I stand by my town read, he feels a lot like his townie deducing self. The quote could just be a correct read. That said he has never been scum, so he might surprise me. Probably only worth looking at if Sophia flips scum, other than that I see no issue with turmoil.
Faddy what's your take on him?
With regards to the supposed 'written document' from overnight, while it's still a gambit until the supposed documentgiver is identified, I'd say that Zeke comes out of it looking better than Spot does on this occasion. As best as I can tell, his explanation in #2481 holds water so far, so until or unless we hear otherwise, I'm finding that the more credible argument at the moment. That said, I'd be disappointed to find out that Spot had played another gambit here - if that does turn out to be the case, it would make me look at him in D1 in a different light.
How have I been holding back most of the game?
You still haven't explained how me not posting anything for 20 minutes is me vanishing.
If anyone has been avoiding straightforward answers it's you. That whole first part of the post applies to you, not me.
I keep coming back to this. I think this is a really good point (even though I'd like to have a distracting CS out of the way). There is just a little wifom/paranoia in my head, that makes me doubt (like everything all the time). In the end getting rid of Grizzly must have outweighted the consequences. Scum seemingly aims for skilled town players that can be a danger and are (somewhat?) town read. I think I don't want to townread Coolest, but I have to given the circumstances... I'll put those doubts away.
EzekelRAGE
Any ulterior motivation for the shitposting EoD 2? What do you make of melonrabbit's input at the end there?
Re: note
I don't see any reasonable town sending a note to Coolest. It's either from scum, randomly sent or made up. Fishing for info from Zeke is highly suspect to me, that's why I'm especially worried about melonrabbit.
Any ulterior motivation for the shitposting EoD 2? What do you make of melonrabbit's input at the end there?
Re: note
I don't see any reasonable town sending a note to Coolest. It's either from scum, randomly sent or made up. Fishing for info from Zeke is highly suspect to me, that's why I'm especially worried about melonrabbit.
Shitposting - nope, just happy to be home and able to post gifs. I didn't like her push on kalor.
Note- her defensiveness about me saying I scumread her for asking if I moved looks bad.
What do you think of Stu being reluctant to let kalor chech him?
Morning all, will post a bit more throughout the day, but I see Sophia has requested a replacement. Will cool off voting on my main scumlean there until a replacement is in.
Surprised and not surprised by the Faddy flip and subsequent Giant Panda confirmation, weren't overly townie players but also weren't big townie voices. In kalor's case though, he was a PR so makes sense they laid low.
Not surprised by the grizzly flip, didn't scumread them at the end but wasn't leaning town on them.
Got to say atm, I'm not sure which way to go. Few leads but there all gut feelings rather than based on analysis. TBH might just go on gut
Surprised and not surprised by the Faddy flip and subsequent Giant Panda confirmation, weren't overly townie players but also weren't big townie voices. In kalor's case though, he was a PR so makes sense they laid low.
Not surprised by the grizzly flip, didn't scumread them at the end but wasn't leaning town on them.
Got to say atm, I'm not sure which way to go. Few leads but there all gut feelings rather than based on analysis. TBH might just go on gut
Think you meant Kalor, there - if Faddy flipped while no-one was looking, that would be a surprise!
Gorlak I wanted to be bullish on the kalor lynch as D2 end neared
I also wanted to post my current ranking of who I would vote of people up for a lynch. I thought I would be asked that immediately after that post otherwise.
What do you think of nin and gir? nin gir What do you think of the other two
I also wanted to post my current ranking of who I would vote of people up for a lynch. I thought I would be asked that immediately after that post otherwise.
What do you think of nin and gir? nin gir What do you think of the other two
melonrabbit
Can you answer how town is helped by knowing whether or not I moved to Chugs?
They really couldnt scumread me for it, chugs didn't die. So the movement, like being in the chat is NAI. Nothing is gained but outting a possible PR.
Scum otoh, gets to know whether I actually moved to chugs. Especially if they fell for the tracker seeds I planted.
You've also alluded to me having a pr before.
There is also the issue of you voting CS when you said you would vote ET, which is also mentioned in that vote. You explained it off here:
Can you answer how town is helped by knowing whether or not I moved to Chugs?
They really couldnt scumread me for it, chugs didn't die. So the movement, like being in the chat is NAI. Nothing is gained but outting a possible PR.
Scum otoh, gets to know whether I actually moved to chugs. Especially if they fell for the tracker seeds I planted.
You've also alluded to me having a pr before.
There is also the issue of you voting CS when you said you would vote ET, which is also mentioned in that vote. You explained it off here:
Which is weak and wishy washy.
Speaking of he chat.
Tinfoil Hat time
With Grizzly's flip, no other two ppl coming forward saying they were in a chat, I think it is more likely scum created the chat. I brought this up jokingly in the chat. Fanto responded but I can't remember what it was exactly. I know it involved him doubting scum was in control. I think I just went with the flow, continued posting. I did make a post about why each of us were chosen, think I brought up my play day1 and ppl implying I had a power.
After that Day 1, me and Fanto was a very odd pairing from a town perspective. Fanto I get since he was townread and has shown to be a strong player. Me though? Makes no sense.
From a Scum perspective its makes a lot of sense. Fanto was townread/leader etc. Scum would like a peek at his thoughts. Me? Makes sense with melon's posts implying I may have a pr. Maybe I slip up and reveal it. Especially with a player I said I townread, iirc.
With scum chat creator I'm thinking -
1. Feeling a lil bit worse about Faddy, a lil better about Stu. They had an interaction when stu brought up scum chat creator. Faddy used that as a knock against Stu and it seemed very desperate in my eyes at the time.
2. With AB's chat discussion at the end of the day yesterday, I think he moves into the scummy camp.
3. We should have a closer look at anyone who implied I would need a closer looking at if there are no more chats.
Scum team of Alexem, Faddy, Melon, AB?
Tinfoil Hat time
With Grizzly's flip, no other two ppl coming forward saying they were in a chat, I think it is more likely scum created the chat. I brought this up jokingly in the chat. Fanto responded but I can't remember what it was exactly. I know it involved him doubting scum was in control. I think I just went with the flow, continued posting. I did make a post about why each of us were chosen, think I brought up my play day1 and ppl implying I had a power.
After that Day 1, me and Fanto was a very odd pairing from a town perspective. Fanto I get since he was townread and has shown to be a strong player. Me though? Makes no sense.
From a Scum perspective its makes a lot of sense. Fanto was townread/leader etc. Scum would like a peek at his thoughts. Me? Makes sense with melon's posts implying I may have a pr. Maybe I slip up and reveal it. Especially with a player I said I townread, iirc.
With scum chat creator I'm thinking -
1. Feeling a lil bit worse about Faddy, a lil better about Stu. They had an interaction when stu brought up scum chat creator. Faddy used that as a knock against Stu and it seemed very desperate in my eyes at the time.
2. With AB's chat discussion at the end of the day yesterday, I think he moves into the scummy camp.
3. We should have a closer look at anyone who implied I would need a closer looking at if there are no more chats.
Scum team of Alexem, Faddy, Melon, AB?
That's a very good point - after the matter with Kalor and GP at EoD, the chat power had slipped my mind. I would have thought that had anyone been involved they might have said so by now. One thought that does occur, though, is that the chat maker might be a PR with limited shots or other such conditions on use (e.g. odd nights or two town participants only) - were that the case, it could be possible that nobody could have been granted a chat in N2.
This reads as scummy to me and scum being annoyed I was continuing to bring Fanto's reads into the chat.
True, could be 1 shot other odd night. I have a hard time believing a town chat creator throws me in there with a heavily townread player like Fanto. I doubt I was too townread by anyone Day 1.
Wait, the last day phase ended Tuesday, I didn't think we were back until after Thanksgiving.
I don't give a shit about Fanto's next to no information D1 reads.
Do you think Fanto's reads had something to do with him dying on the same night?
Grizzly could've also been killed for his choice of people to scumread - namely D1: ab, D2: sophia
yep it is. Think I can guess his other/real problem with it. Not important now though.
The quote you posted earlier? It doesn't tell me much. Neither alignment would happily agree to this deal.
Oh noes
It's really not. You're making a content mountain out of a mechanics molehill
Nope. I think it likely the gossip situation did. I've already said as much.