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Giant Panda

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,689
This reads as scummy to me and scum being annoyed I was continuing to bring Fanto's reads into the chat.

Well, to me it looks like Absolutbro misunderstood how the chat worked timing-wise, so if he's scum and the chat power is scum, he'd have to purposely get that wrong. Also why would scum expect you to do anything but paraphrase all of Fanto's reads into the thread?

And just to be clear, you're speculating it's a chat that scum get to observe even if they're not one of the players targeted?
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,145
Oct 27, 2017
2,240
What do you think of nin and gir? nin gir What do you think of the other two
nin - is changing his opinions on the fly whatever way the wind blows. "Stu is defo scum" "Kill Stu" "Nah Stu is misguided town" for example. He doesn't back it up. Furthermore his EoD are putting him in a bad light. Unfortunately a nin constantly changing opinions and talking nonsense is the one that made BAR MAFIA such a delight at the end (insert sad gif cabot) I can't take anything from it. The claim at the start is still keeping him in my townish people list, but it's a shaky read.

gir - it's harder to recall really. Give me some time for a reread, I did like his Sophia vote yesterday though (barring Sophia is town, than it's adding up to nothing)
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,145
Well, to me it looks like Absolutbro misunderstood how the chat worked timing-wise, so if he's scum and the chat power is scum, he'd have to purposely get that wrong. Also why would scum expect you to do anything but paraphrase all of Fanto's reads into the thread?
No, he clarified he knew how the chat timing worked in another post. Cabot said I lost access in the chat. No viewing of the thread after the night phase. Theory is scum AB knows that, but he cant say it. So he alludes to it in his posts. Bringing up that its against the spirit of the game if im able to still view it. They would expect me to paraphrase Fanto's reads, but not as many posts as i did.

hmm, think I remember stu not liking it either.


And just to be clear, you're speculating it's a chat that scum get to observe even if they're not one of the players targeted?
Correct.

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Honestly, Fanto said he copied my reads list offsite and cabot didn't say we couldnt. I took that to mean we could copy other posts as well. I will be sure to ask in the future about if that is alright before doing it thought.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,240
Without a bigger dive into the game again, from what I have in my memory right now:

Town: Giant Panda
townish: EzekelRAGE, turmoil7
circumstancial townish: CoolestSpot, TheChuggernaut
townishy: Faddy, nin

null: DCPat, gir, malus
void: Z-Beat

scummishy: Alexem, Stuart444
scummy: absolutbro, melonrabbit, Sophia
 

absolutbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,628
You seem very defensive.


Yea, that's my point. So you think him being in the gossip chat lead to him being killed?

So his reads posted in the gossip chat was the problem?
Nope and nope. "You seem really defensive" <insert vomiting eyerol emoji here>
absolutbro Who are your top two scum?
Pretty sure I gave you a list that hasn't changed much.
No, he clarified he knew how the chat timing worked in another post. Cabot said I lost access in the chat. No viewing of the thread after the night phase. Theory is scum AB knows that, but he cant say it. So he alludes to it in his posts.
Or. Or. Just a thought. It's exactly what I said in my posts. I thought it was odd that you were posting

Ya know what I'm just going to call it what it is : I think you were making shit up because Cabot should have stopped you if you were posting stuff you shouldn't have access to.

There, feel free to twist it.
 

turmoil7

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,181
The thing about D2 is, scum knew we were onto a town Vs town(kalor/panda)

I think scum would feel pressured to secure a mislynch after we lynched scum on D1.

So, if gir and gorlak are town, that is not good in regards to Sophia's alignment. Same if Sophia is town with gir and gorlak, they would secure all the trains that day were town in case kalor and panda had claims to save them and people switched. The first vote for her was Bear(presumably town from scum's pov)

We don't have a lot of info on the side of the stu(Zeke, faddy), faddy(GP, stu) and Gorlak(zbeat) pushes
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,145
Nope and nope. "You seem really defensive" <insert vomiting eyerol emoji here>
So what do you mean that Fanto died to because of the gossip thing then?

Or. Or. Just a thought. It's exactly what I said in my posts. I thought it was odd that you were posting
I thought about it being you were just a townie and you being a stickler for the rules at first glance. But your reactions don't help that. No giving a shit about Fanto's reads?

Ya know what I'm just going to call it what it is : I think you were making shit up because Cabot should have stopped you if you were posting stuff you shouldn't have access to.
If you had alluded to this last day phase in the mechanics discussion, this would be more believable. I read this as a retroactive explanation from a frustrated scum.
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,145
Pretty sure D2 you responded to my question and had Kalor and Zeke as your top scum. How can this not have changed? You are lacking input here.
I did a quick search and these are what I ran across
Zeke I'm in a holding pattern on. We'll see what else comes of the chat claim, if others come forward, etc. We've already been over the mechanical aspect of it.

GP I leaned scummy early on. I always find it a little suspicious when I see posts like "I'm suspicious of A and B" without much reason and then one of them turns out to be scum. Those always feel like CYA posts where you have the ability to both bus ("I was suspicious of B in post ###") and try to build town points when you're off vote on a town lynch ("I didn't want to lynch A, see post ###"). There is absolutely the chance of an innocent post getting really unlucky, but early posts like that always feel like building block posts. That said, today GP has seemed more town to me, asking a few decent questions and calling out a few things. Nothing super great, but better than my scum gut feeling from last day phase.

Faddy is kind of a toss up. He's seemed super defensive about small things, but I find myself agreeing with his views on other players. I'd say burned out town more than anything.

Honestly, the player who a reread has done the worst for is nin. His early claim should have been an almost nonissue, but I do have to admit it worked somewhat to get discussion going. His tunneling isn't completely unusual, but tunneling a replacement player does seem to be. He's been really aggressive about meaningless things like early joke votes, was weirdly defensive of Gorlak early on, and had a bunch of fluff agreement type posts while coming down on others for fluff. Not saying he's scum, but it looks bad.

I mean, this is coming from me so take with a mountain of salt.
This didn't ping for me for some reason, only caught it by reading.

Kalor's EOD posts are a bit scummy to me. Calling out CoolestSpot for not preventing their own lynch and then voting for him to make it harder. (#1039) #1042 with the "wait didn't mean to vote" has been gone over enough, but I felt like #1039 was glossed over.
I'm still not 100% on CS, but town reading him more than I was yesterday.
Zeke comes out of the back and forth with Stuart looking way worse than Stuart does, imo. I'm honestly not really sure why Stuart had people gunning for him (or thought he did at any rate), although an ET lynch followed by a Stuart lynch would be mirror TMBG so hilariously I could see why it might make someone nervous. That said, Zeke coming forward with the chat stuff might work in his favour if more people come forward about night chats. Then again, every special chat I've been invited to was closed during the next day phase, so his being able to bring it all forward seems completely suspicious to me, especially since Fantomas died the same night he was invited to a chat. Super suspicious to me that Fantomas would get his by two separate unaligned powers in one night.

Towns are harder, since I don't really trust anyone so far. Funnily enough Grizz reads town to me, only because rereading his D1 play was like "yup, that's pretty much exactly how I felt about D1".
Chuggernaut coming forward about being a sleepwalker feels towny. Sure, it's an easy enough claim for scum to fake (since what tracker in their right mind would waste a night's read on a sleepwalker), but why come forward at all? Being worried about a town tracker (scum tracker seems much rarer to me) makes sense, even if the "what if I sleep walk into a murder scene!" bit is a bit of a stretch.
 

malus

Member
Oct 30, 2017
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About the "written note" business I'm not sure what to think. I have a feeling it's just another one of CS' gambits to get a claim from Zeke because we had a similar power in conspiracy and he has already recycled some parts of the recent games for his other gambits.
I'm inclined to believe the night chat claim from Zeke, since his paraphrasing of Fantomas' posts was quite elaborate. This isn't very alignment indicative since he could just as well do that as scum (even leaving out important detail or altering things) but it does give him some town credit in my book. What I'm not sure I believe is that it was a third party that initiated the chat and not Zeke himself.
Nope and nope. "You seem really defensive" <insert vomiting eyerol emoji here>

Pretty sure I gave you a list that hasn't changed much.

Or. Or. Just a thought. It's exactly what I said in my posts. I thought it was odd that you were posting

Ya know what I'm just going to call it what it is : I think you were making shit up because Cabot should have stopped you if you were posting stuff you shouldn't have access to.

There, feel free to twist it.
If I were in a chat and knew I only had access to it during that night, I would copy everything into a text document so I don't forget what was said. That's definitely not against the rules as long as it is not posted directly into the game thread.
Missed that one so here's the update:

This is the Role Claim List.
All Confirmed roles are listed first, split between Town and Scum.
Then among the people still alive, the list is split between who has claimed and who has not.
All claims are in chronological order to the best of my ability.
There is a link to the post with either their Role PM if they are dead, or their claim if they are still alive.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Confirmed Town Due To Death:
Fantomas - Ordinary - Died N1
Kalor - Backfire Override - Died D2

Confirmed Neutral Due To Death:
Grizzly - Mentor - Died N2

Confirmed Scum Due To Death:
ExtremeTactician - Goon - Died D1

Still Living And Claimed:
Nin - Ordinary - Claimed D1
CoolestSpot - Bomber Ordinary - Claimed D1, unclaimed D1, claimed again D1
Stuart444 - Ordinary - Claimed D2
TheChuggernaut (EmpressDonna) - Sleepwalker - Claimed D2

Miscellaneous Claims:
EzekelRAGE - Was invited to a night chat with Fantomas by a 3rd party - Claimed D2
CoolestSpot - Received Note that EzekelRAGE visited TheCuggernaut N2 - Claimed D3

No Claims:
turmoil7
Sophia
absolutbro
EzekelRAGE
Gorlak
Alexem
melonrabbit
Giant Panda
gir
malus (B-Dubs)
DCPat
Z-Beat
Faddy
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,071
I'll just note again that Faddy has been quiet as fuck compared to what people usually seen from Town Faddy.
 

CoolestSpot

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,325
This is now getting into "The boy who cried wolf" territory tbh.
You know what, I was given info last night but I don't know if I should even share it. One because everyone will think it's some gambit (I can't blame y'all), but also because I don't know if it means anything.

Before day start, I got a "written document" that said that EzekelRage visited TheChuggernaut last night.

Now if it's scum messing with me, or some power of a town targetted at me, I don't know. Maybe it's to make me look like the boy that cried wolf. But I feel like with how Zeke's playing this news would be helpful in trying to figure out what the hell Zeke's alignment is.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,071
The clash between Faddy and Stu doesn't feel like town/twon to me as well. As of now I lean towards believing Faddy unlike yesterday where it was the other way around.
Your townread (and a few others) on Stu D1 swayed me away from him, that's why I asked what's suddenly so different.
I have to look who voted first, but I think it was Faddy when the day end was in a t/t lock. That's also a good look for him.

1. I hope people remember this if I flip first and go after Faddy next then

2. do you mean who voted for the other first Faddy for me or me for Faddy? if so it was me.

Vote tool:

faddy
(2 votes)
giant panda - #1450
stuart444 - #1986

stuart444
(2 votes)
ezekelrage - #1127
faddy - #2035
 

gir

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,019
Gorlak I wanted to be bullish on the kalor lynch as D2 end neared

I also wanted to post my current ranking of who I would vote of people up for a lynch. I thought I would be asked that immediately after that post otherwise.

What do you think of nin and gir? nin gir What do you think of the other two
nin I slightly townlean on after scumleaning his early claiming antics on D1

Looking at their voting patterns, nothing sticks out too much.
Donna vote, I understand why he voted that way at the time and his reasoning for doing so
Grizzly vote, was also on it.
Giant Panda vote, voted to tie it with kalor at the time, turned out to be a town v town lynch, makes me townlean on them. if scum, would have been easier to vote to further the wagon on Kalor.
Coolestspot vote: this one is scummy, voted to make coolest one vote away from tying with ET, who in hindsight was scum.

Overall voting pattern wouldn't change my mind on the slight townlean on him
 

gir

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,019
By the way here is the current claim list (thanks to Fantomas for the template):

This is the Role Claim List.
All Confirmed roles are listed first, split between Town and Scum.
Then among the people still alive, the list is split between who has claimed and who has not.
All claims are in chronological order to the best of my ability.
There is a link to the post with either their Role PM if they are dead, or their claim if they are still alive.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Confirmed Town Due To Death:
Fantomas - Ordinary - Died N1
Kalor - Backfire Override - Died D2

Confirmed Neutral Due To Death:
Grizzly - Mentor - Died N2

Confirmed Scum Due To Death:
ExtremeTactician - Goon - Died D1

Still Living And Claimed:
Nin - Ordinary - Claimed D1
CoolestSpot - Bomber Ordinary - Claimed D1, unclaimed D1, claimed again D1
TheChuggernaut (empressdonna) - Sleepwalker - Claimed D2

Miscellaneous Claims:
EzekelRAGE - Was invited to a night chat with Fantomas by a 3rd party - Claimed D2
CoolestSpot - Received Note that EzekelRAGE visited TheCuggernaut N2 - Claimed D3

No Claims:
turmoil7
Sophia
Stuart444
absolutbro
EzekelRAGE
Gorlak
Alexem
melonrabbit
Giant Panda
gir
malus (B-Dubs)
DCPat
Z-Beat
Faddy
Isn't Giant panda confirmed town?
 

Giant Panda

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,689
I apologize if I disappear for most of the rest of the IRL day. Thanksgiving prep and festivities will be starting soon. I'll be around again on Friday.

Good morning, I probably won't have as much time as usual, until around the evening.

Vote: melonrabbit
My scum-o-meter regarding her is off the charts. Everything about the reaction to Kalor same as to the note speaks suspicious to me.

Other than that I agree with Zeke regarding Stu/Soph/Alexem. At least one scum. Feeling worst about Sophia.

The clash between Faddy and Stu doesn't feel like town/twon to me as well. As of now I lean towards believing Faddy unlike yesterday where it was the other way around.
Your townread (and a few others) on Stu D1 swayed me away from him, that's why I asked what's suddenly so different.
I have to look who voted first, but I think it was Faddy when the day end was in a t/t lock. That's also a good look for him.

Turmoil reads like his logical town self from previous games.

I don't think you can say for certain that Faddy/Stu is town/town, but I feel confident that they aren't scum partners trying to bus each other. Their arguments have gotten too heated for that I think. Overall, I think I'm more likely to believe that Faddy is scum than Stu right now. And I agree that Melon/Sophia/Alexem all deserve a more thorough look.

So before I leave I will place my vote on Alexem. His vote on ET day 1 was after it became clear that ET wasn't going to be to mount a defense of himself, so that looks like a safe bus vote for scum Alexem. On day 2, he mostly followed other peoples' leads, had Kalor and I, as his top 2 scum reads, and left a VERY wishy-washy vote on me at the time.

Still drawing a lot of blanks myself - I think I'm happier to narrow my focus today. So far I'm getting a better feeling from Chuggernaut that Donna, although I'm not casting aside my D1 thoughts entirely. I also don't think that the claim was unjustified - it was early, certainly, but not an unreasonable thing to do following the suspicions.

At the moment, it's still Kalor and Panda that I'm getting the strongest gut feelings on, and to that end I'l park a vote.
VOTE: Giant Panda
I'll concede that this doesn't have a great deal of certainty behind it, so I'll follow how things go today and review my options later on as needs be.
I can see that as scum wanting to give themselves an out to change their vote if the tides started to change. Finally, as I noted previously Alexem (next to CS) seemed the most adamant that Kalor pull the trigger on the override as quickly as possible yesterday.

Vote: Alexem
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,145
Cause chugs seems towny as fuck

Why not your most townread person, iirc, Stuart?

Can you quote a post where you townread chugs? Because I don't really see you mention your thoughts on Chugs much.

Why not choose your 2nd most town read in nin?
You
Nin
Grizzy

Pretty much the only three my sideeye isnt focused on
Why not Grizz? I know he died, but if your point was to get me "exposed" why not go all the way?

My thing is, with my theory, a scum you makes sense choosing Chugs. Like I pointed out earlier, I subtlety claimed I would track Chugs last night. So why not take a guess that I did track him?
 

DCPat

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,170

Lol I actually forgot this question, because I went on to respond to Turmoil. So actually not the best opportunity. Sorry.

Upon yesterday I didn't really see the Faddy I know (which is town Faddy). People have mentioned this and Faddy was a bit annoyed by that. Last days I've recognized him a bit more. He created his little town core and went into it with you. Faddy does this. I like his vote on ET D1. It's a pretty strong vote either which he didn't move. I remember somebody (maybe it was even you?) saying that Faddy's vote and my vote on ET were the easiest vote so we shouldnt get to much, if any, towncred for it. I'm not going to judge for myself, but I think Faddy deserves some credit there.

You have your vote on Faddy. What do you think?
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,145
I don't think there wouldn't be a town competing wagon against ET...but CS is so adept to self damaging gambits regardless of alignment that kind of makes me want to get this noise out of my head

Fuck it, lets do what we should have done on day 1

VOTE:CoolestSpot
Man, I want to see so many flips.

Stu/Faddy - It could be town v town. I do agree it is unlikely both are scum
Alexem - For reasons I stated in my opening post. His opening post does read like scum chat giving him pointers
CS - anti town. Then the play on pushing Kalor/GP
Melon - Reasons stated earlier

Still on the fence about AB
Then i forgot about Sophia and her replacement.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,071
You have your vote on Faddy. What do you think?

This is not town Faddy. He's been way too quiet compared to the Faddy I would expect and if this is his first game as scum then that would explain it I think.

On top of that, he seemed like he let his guard down and was caught off guard when I suddenly started pushing on him. The minute I did and I voted him, he got nervous and defensive including what amounts to an OMGUS vote.

The stuff he had let slide or wasn't using against me suddenly he started using it because he got nervous and wanted to make me look scummy even though he could have done so much earlier and more naturally.

to sum up, I think he was caught off guard, got nervous and ended up letting his scummy side out. I'm fairly confident he is scum now.
 

CoolestSpot

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,325
Man, I want to see so many flips.

Stu/Faddy - It could be town v town. I do agree it is unlikely both are scum
Alexem - For reasons I stated in my opening post. His opening post does read like scum chat giving him pointers
CS - anti town. Then the play on pushing Kalor/GP
Melon - Reasons stated earlier

Still on the fence about AB
Then i forgot about Sophia and her replacement.

How is the push for Kalor/GP scummy? It was the most logical town move
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,145
Also if Alex is scum I think that leads to a more knowledgeable player being scum as well. That leads me to think Stu/Faddy/Gor/Melon as well.