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Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thank you Gorlak, you do make some good points. I'm still going to push for Faddy though (and hope people look back at everything if I end up NK'd for it) but you do make some good points and I'll entertain those lynches should I be around to do so.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I will go back rereading. My top scum still are: Sophia, melon, AB.

Absolutbro outright refused to contribute anything today. After having two townies revealed, he has got nothing new. He's sliding by hardcore. Grizzly aimed for him D1 and ended up dead. He's got two bad votes with minimal reasoning to it.

Melon was shitposting at the end of yesterday and that's a huge tell in my opinion. Between GP and Kalor, no scum was in danger, so she skated by and pressured Kalor, when we had hours to go and think about what to do. There was a sense of urge yesterday, once Kalor claimed, that must have been created by scum. The shitposting is part of why I don't write off Coolest - Zeke - Melon combination. But to look into that melon has to be scum, otherwise I still think the other two are more likely to be town. The one thing that stood out by melon was probably her entrance and calling an argument between me and Sophia town vs town, even for this she had to be pressured.
Since then I'd say she tried to lay low and was content with the flow of the game. She had a horrendous vote on Coolest, which she justified retroactively as well.

I'm not a fan of granting LP a day, when Sophia was pretty scummy and her wagon didn't pick up yesterday. She had a bad voting pattern D1 and a weak vote D2. There are several posts that felt like scum furthering a point of other that may go nowhere "He has a point ..." and the like.

If I take these two vote wagons:

coolestspot
(8 votes)
empressdonna - #700
giant panda - #857
stuart444 - #960
z-beat - #974
sophia - #976
absolutbro - #992
melonrabbit - #1054
nin - #1058

kalor
(6 votes)
turmoil7 - #1367
absolutbro - #1961
sophia - #2017
malus - #2089
dcpat - #2090
melonrabbit - #2178

We have Sophia, absolutbro and melon. There has to be scum between them.

This is a really good post, but I think we need to consider the GP wagon also because there's no reason why scum couldn't be on that one as well. Kalor would of probably been the better mislynch for scum though so I wouldn't be surprised if scum decided to give that wagon more attention. I'm still sticking with Faddy for today, but I think we should come back to this list and I really want to look into AB and Melon
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Me, for one. I don't feel particularly strongly either Grizzly or ET. If I have to pick between them then I suppose ET has been more fluff than not.
I wouldn't vote CS today despite the mess of that gambit. But I was entertained.
Zeke feels off to me but I'm not getting a scum vibe more of a sense that's he holding a few extra cards and there is somewhere he is going with all this.
I don't like how AB is just gone. Z-beat and B-Dubs too. Lots of people in the middle.
Fuck #hubris
Vote: CoolestSpot
You can't make this shit up. And her reasoning the next day:
As I said I didn't feel that strongly either way between grizzly and ET and CS' overall performance seemed suspect.
A cop out of what? The options weren't appealing to me. I said it multiple times and I was playing catch up because of the time difference. I got over CS and voted for him. Given his presence at EoD and the null read I had of most everyone else on the table.
Just realizing this the second post includes catching up, when her first statement was won't vote CS despite the gambit. So what exactly was there to catch up?
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
9,068
This is a really good post, but I think we need to consider the GP wagon also because there's no reason why scum couldn't be on that one as well. Kalor would of probably been the better mislynch for scum though so I wouldn't be surprised if scum decided to give that wagon more attention. I'm still sticking with Faddy for today, but I think we should come back to this list and I really want to look into AB and Melon

also if Faddy is scum, do look into DCPat. I've stated why but I've seen town forget things when the people who would point them out are dead soooo lol.
 

Alexem

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,335
Essex, UK
Morning, everyone. I'm still torn on Faddy - I don't think I can honestly say that I feel the same way about his votes today as I did at the end of D2, but I don't think I'm going to place a vote on him just yet. Stuart's opinion on him feels solid, but I'd be interested to know if there's a consensus or if it's an individual tunnel.

That said, though, I do have a better feeling about Stuart today - he feels more like himself. I appreciate the work he's been putting in to his read and, as I mentioned, I think his feelings on Faddy are genuine. As such, while I don't think that I'm not in a position to switch my vote now, I feel that it would be inappropriate to keep my vote on him given my current stance.

UNVOTE
 
Oct 27, 2017
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This is a really good post, but I think we need to consider the GP wagon also because there's no reason why scum couldn't be on that one as well. Kalor would of probably been the better mislynch for scum though so I wouldn't be surprised if scum decided to give that wagon more attention. I'm still sticking with Faddy for today, but I think we should come back to this list and I really want to look into AB and Melon
But who would this bring to the table? You/Donna and nin, who were on two town wagons.

giant panda (4 votes)
thechuggernaut - #1672
alexem - #1763
nin - #2021
kalor - #2033
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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You can't make this shit up. And her reasoning the next day:

Just realizing this the second post includes catching up, when her first statement was won't vote CS despite the gambit. So what exactly was there to catch up?

Gorlak, I'm really not going to justify timezone differences with you. The thread started and has continued to progress primarily when I've been alseep. Don't be shitty.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
also to bring up Faddy's votes from the past few days:

melonrabbit ??? pls respond

Anyway time to actually make a real read. I think Extreme Tactician is my top scum read right now. He was very fluffy in his interactions with me and asking nothing questions to look like he was engaged. I've seen a few other people scum reading him but no one else putting a vote down. Stuart seems particularly interested in giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Vote: Extreme Tactician

On top of nin, I like Fantomas as town (again).

Started the wagon yes but could be an easy bus to slide into and stay on. The main reasons seem to be fluffy interactions and decides that since no one has put down a vote despite scum reading him, he puts one down.

Less than 24 hours into the day but it was something easy to justify and stay on so that if he flipped scum, it would give him town cred.

Basically yeah. The fact Kalor posted that it wasn't a slip and he wasn't going to vote for him yet makes it feel more like a mistake and he knew what was happening yesterday

Vote: Kalor

I think we definitely need to hear more from Kalor anyway.

This was his original vote for Kalor - a confirmed dead town. Found an easy justification for the vote. If we're looking at Kalor's and GPs voters, this is one we should keep in mind despite him taking it off of them.


His OMGUS vote after I started pushing on him.

D2 and 3 dosn't put him in a good light, D1 could very easily be an easy bus using safe D1-style justification.
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
3,103
Nowhere
It's not about timezones. Explain to me what changed regarding Coolest - AFTER he withdrew his gambit you already referred to D1.

Okay. I will preface this by stating I may still be drunk.

I'll pretend I haven't already answered this. I voted for him because the act continued after said gamit and his play towards EoD very anti-town and obnoxious. He was practically baiting a vote and I wanted to find out why.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So melon says she wasn't happy about D1 candidates. D2 she scumreads Zeke, Kalor, nin. When she arrives EoD2, she says nin is rolefishing. And doesn't believe Zeke states opinions from Fantomas. Then it's gif after gif after gif.

Here is her reaction to Kalor's claim:
Is Kalor the bomb???
Less fun, assuming I believe it.
Shockingly, CS is talking sense. Shocking.
Vote: Kalor
I don't believe it personally and I think it is a wasted move to use the override on Giant Panda after all that's happened today, justification for such a move feels weak.
Nobody likes your plan, Kalor. And you should feel very very bad.
I'm not against it. His power after all. Just a boring pick.
This doesn't feel like not believing. Grizzly asks what scum!Kalors plan would be
This trend continues. At that time there was ZERO benefit from voting Kalor. He was being pressured here to make a quick decision.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think people are getting actually heated and we need to calm down the game.
Wtf? She was a major creator of that heat yesterday - and at that point D3, when the note business was in play, she wanted the game to calm down?
She also went on to assume the note was a lie, after Zeke said he didn't move. This could be TMI, but isn't a strong point since it was Coolest talking.

turmoil7
What do you think of melonrabbit? And vice versa melon
Could you please answer this melonrabbit.
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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So melon says she wasn't happy about D1 candidates. D2 she scumreads Zeke, Kalor, nin. When she arrives EoD2, she says nin is rolefishing. And doesn't believe Zeke states opinions from Fantomas. Then it's gif after gif after gif.

I didn't like candidates day one. That's true. Nin was acting quite agression on D2 and his comment struck me as odd. Don't believe either, no. He's behavior has been off and I don't think we've gotten a proper tunnel until today. But meta aside, surely the amount of shrugging things off has gotten old. Also, Zeke started that gif chain. Is your argument anti gifs?

Is your argument that I and I alone as scum was somehow pressuirng Kalor so make a quick decision ... that he had already decided and told us?

You're reaching even for you, Gor.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I didn't like candidates day one. That's true. Nin was acting quite agression on D2 and his comment struck me as odd. Don't believe either, no. He's behavior has been off and I don't think we've gotten a proper tunnel until today. But meta aside, surely the amount of shrugging things off has gotten old. Also, Zeke started that gif chain. Is your argument anti gifs?
As I mentioned a few posts above: that whole shitpost charade including you, coolest and zeke is suspect to me. In previous games there were times something like this stood out to me and it was a scum team doing it.

Is your argument that I and I alone as scum was somehow pressuirng Kalor so make a quick decision ... that he had already decided and told us?
My argument is that you were quickly to speculate around Kalor. Raised the pressure (together with Coolest) by voting him, when there was absolutely no need to force him to decide quickly. Your post very clearly show you interested in how a potential override could play out (if he's gunning for actual scum?) You also contradict yourself with "his power after all" and "I don't believe it".
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
3,103
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As I mentioned a few posts above: that whole shitpost charade including you, coolest and zeke is suspect to me. In previous games there were times something like this stood out to me and it was a scum team doing it.

My argument is that you were quickly to speculate around Kalor. Raised the pressure (together with Coolest) by voting him, when there was absolutely no need to force him to decide quickly. Your post very clearly show you interested in how a potential override could play out (if he's gunning for actual scum?) You also contradict yourself with "his power after all" and "I don't believe it".

If this is your takeaway. Then both sarcasm and fun are lost on you.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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As I mentioned a few posts above: that whole shitpost charade including you, coolest and zeke is suspect to me. In previous games there were times something like this stood out to me and it was a scum team doing it.
To add to this - the conversation between ET and Z-Beat about sleep study is something very similar. Of course people having fun is a possibility, but I've been burned by that thought before.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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If this is your takeaway. Then both sarcasm and fun are lost on you.
Sure it was all fun and joy, while Kalor was close to being turboed - people voting him (yes you melon) and calling for a completely unnecessary claim from GP (looking at you Faddy). This created a sense of urgency that was redundant. You as one of the aggressors stand out to me. Couple that with your remaining behaviour - et voila: scum read.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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While you are here, I know you probably need to catch up, but give me your input once you've done that. Your top scum candidates are still Zeke and nin I suppose?
What's your opinion on the current vote leaders - faddy and alexem?
And what do you think of turmoil7?
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Gorlak is this you?

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Oct 27, 2017
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If you think the conversation betwern ET and Z-beat why are focusing on myself, AB and Soph/LP?
There is literally nothing I can point at from Z-Beat, I have no memory outside of this little interaction because AB pointed at it in response to me one time. It is a kind of tell I was just explaining to you, that I see there as well. It's a note for the future once we have more flips. I could see a connection there between Donna/AB/Z-Beat, but those are premature thoughts that need info to verify.

As of right now I see You, AB and Sophia as much more likely to be scum. Hence why I argue for their lynches. Thinking of it - what do you think of the other two?
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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While you are here, I know you probably need to catch up, but give me your input once you've done that. Your top scum candidates are still Zeke and nin I suppose?
What's your opinion on the current vote leaders - faddy and alexem?
And what do you think of turmoil7?

Thank you for your permission to go and catch up. I feel so relieved now.

I like turnmoil. He's able to express himself in a way that doesn't drive me insane and remain classy while doing so. He's probably town.
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
3,103
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There is literally nothing I can point at from Z-Beat, I have no memory outside of this little interaction because AB pointed at it in response to me one time. It is a kind of tell I was just explaining to you, that I see there as well. It's a note for the future once we have more flips. I could see a connection there between Donna/AB/Z-Beat, but those are premature thoughts that need info to verify.

As of right now I see You, AB and Sophia as much more likely to be scum. Hence why I argue for their lynches. Thinking of it - what do you think of the other two?

I didn't like Soph disppearing toward the end of D2 hence why I had questions. We won't get answers and LP will probably not even post so... that's probably the scum that got away.

I'd need to reread AB.
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fuck that. If I had just asked you for your opinion, you'd be screaming at me how you need time and are still drunk. I'm trying to be more friendly, ever since you said I'm always going harder on you than others in some spec chat somewhere. Guess I'm failing that again.

Please learn sarcasm :(

FYI I'm currently just drunkish.
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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No, you are trying to discredit my reasonable case against you through ridiculing me. Ad hominem at it's best.

It is better or worse than responding with a gif or a *shrug*?

You're reaching in your arguments. And taking a lighthearted moment as this gotcha is gonna backfire on you and unravel your whole theory. But then I have the benefit of knowing I'm town, you don't.

I am not ridculing you personally. We just play differently. I disagree with the comments of mine you've chosen to latch onto.

We are disagreeing and you are wrong about me being scum but I do respect you. I hope you see that.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Rereading absolutbro:

D1 was basically nothing.
Joins EoD1 asking why ET over Coolest antics and lands on Coolest with his vote.
Vote: CoolestSpot
I don't like the sliding battle between CS and ET. Feels like someone is trying to save CS.

D2 is a whole lot of nothing, until the end:
Catch up, Mechanics, Reads: Kalor suspicious, Zeke looking worse. Grizz & Chuggs towny

Asking about Zeke's supposed night chat
votes Kalor "for now"

reads:
Zeke wants to wait for more chat claims
GP scummy, but today more town
Faddy burned out town
brings up nin - says looks bad

seems to be interested in mechanics, misunderstands and asks kalor about override.

The continuing reaction seems logical and not scummy, until:
Do you have anything to lose by claiming at this point?

Honestly the EoD2 is giving me a better feeling about him.
 

Alexem

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,335
Essex, UK
I didn't like Soph disppearing toward the end of D2 hence why I had questions. We won't get answers and LP will probably not even post so... that's probably the scum that got away.

I'd need to reread AB.
I also noticed that Sophia seemed go quiet while I was re-reading Kalor's claim and over-ride - she was calling for people to avoid turbo-ing Kalor, which is perfectly understandable, but didn't seem to be around when people were putting the pressure on. I considered that she might have been away when the pressure mounted - especially if she was expecting the over-ride to come nearer to deadline time - but then I noticed that she greeted GP about six minutes before Kalor used his action, so I think she was still around. Given her earlier responsed to the situation, I would have expected a little more resistance from her when there were calls for Kalor to go ahead.

AB was of a similar mindset around the time, but was a little more involved - he responded to some points that were raised, for instance.
 

malus

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Oct 30, 2017
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I feel like instead of focusing on the ones voting for ET on D1 (faddy, alex and we already "lynched" kalor) we should have a look at the votes on CS.
I do have a strange feeling on Faddy because he seems so different to his other games and his flip could give us some information on other players, but I'm not sure the feeling is strong enough for a lynch. But between the two top wagons at the moment he would be my preference.

I feel the worst about absolutbro, since his votes were badly explained and he wasn't exactly helpful today.

I'm also getting bad vibes from nin. His votes have been less than stellar so far (CS and GP) and there was some serious flip flopping yesterday. Today he seems to be mostly coasting along not contributing much. This all reminds me very much of our conspiracy game where he did basically the same thing.
What stood out to me was the following post:
Hmmmmmmpppfff. You two make sense.


Unvote
He goes hard on Chugger but is swayed by some flimsy arguments? Could be he's protecting a team mate there.

Which brings me to Chuggernaut. I felt his claim was genuine but I guess it's an easy enough claim to make. I thought he made some good posts but also nothing ground breaking.

I was quite skeptical of Stuart, but he's been much better today and has put in quite a bit of work I think.

Sophia was in my scum list, but her subbing out kind of put a damper on that.

Not sure what to make of z-beat and melon. zb hasn't really done anything and is mainly just there. Could be scum coasting along but is null for me for now.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I don't give a shit about Fanto's next to no information D1 reads.
This was an unusual emotional answer.

Pretty sure I gave you a list that hasn't changed much.
And this is what's bothering me today. He hasn't offered any new insight. He is withholding himself from the game.

He's low activity, is lacking input and had two bad votes. But the reaction to Kalor's claim looks fine to me.

I end up being less sure about my scumread, but I don't know how long he should get a pass for minimal input. This is making it hard to read him and/or finding connections.

unvote
 

DCPat

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,170
I'm sorry I've been absent guys. But I will be there the last 4/5 hours of EOD. So should be making up easily.
 

melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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I also noticed that Sophia seemed go quiet while I was re-reading Kalor's claim and over-ride - she was calling for people to avoid turbo-ing Kalor, which is perfectly understandable, but didn't seem to be around when people were putting the pressure on. I considered that she might have been away when the pressure mounted - especially if she was expecting the over-ride to come nearer to deadline time - but then I noticed that she greeted GP about six minutes before Kalor used his action, so I think she was still around. Given her earlier responsed to the situation, I would have expected a little more resistance from her when there were calls for Kalor to go ahead.

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I just felt a lack of presence from her as the day wind down and it just seemed so odd. Also, the fact barely anyone else has spoken about it until nowish. Her posts lacked exactly what I liked so much about her exchange with Gorlak initially. Very muted.