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Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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sell me on it then, give me your elevator pitch

I've been doing that all thread so far but sure. I'll specifically use the angle I posted earlier:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/br...der-line-insanity.80762/page-58#post-15292300

Bear made some links between them,. in response to the question from Grizzly, Sophia responds:

I agree that Faddy's early vote looks suspect too. One thing that stuck out was him potentially bringing up Gorlak a few times early on (post 308 and post 314), but looking at the vote count he never actually voted for Gorlak, so I'm re-reading to find out why.

Doesn't this look like she's trying to create distance from Faddy with a slight scum read without voting on him once.

Now in regards to the same question to Faddy re sophia:

I don't see the issue with her vote the way you do. I mean I can see the world where she does that as mafia with the half hedge on Coolest. But in that world I don't get why she wouldn't just scum read you and vote there to put you above ET.

I think you are underestimating the chances that you were going to be lynched yesterday. I would probably have put in a bit of effort to save you over ET but if Sophia votes you and Zeke voted you then you are way ahead. It wasn't like ET was a slam dunk scum.

He isn't creating the same type of distance but does throw some shade in there then goes "but in that world I don't get" etc.

That's some more links between them. if Faddy is lynched and is scum, it gives more evidence/links for an LP lynch.

(I could also go back and continue on about Faddy but since you're interested in the LP lynch, I figured maybe these links would get you interested in a Faddy lynch to give you more evidence for an LP lynch in the next day phase)
 

EzekelRAGE

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Morning all, will post a bit more throughout the day, but I see Sophia has requested a replacement. Will cool off voting on my main scumlean there until a replacement is in.
I saw earlier you mixed up Sophia/Mal/LP a bit

So with you continuing to go with LP.

Does that mean you don't care to hear from him before voting? Seemed from the above post you were giving a replacement a lil bit of leeway.
 

EzekelRAGE

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I saw earlier you mixed up Sophia/Mal/LP a bit

So with you continuing to go with LP.

Does that mean you don't care to hear from him before voting? Seemed from the above post you were giving a replacement a lil bit of leeway.
Bascially what Im saying with this is he shouldnt need to be persuaded to get off the LP vote. He should already be voting for someone else.
 

EzekelRAGE

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How I feel about stu and his tunnel.

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EzekelRAGE

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==== DAY 3 VOTES ====
Day Start

faddy (4 votes)
stuart444 - #2309
coolestspot - #2768
thechuggernaut - #2775
malus - #2907

lone_prodigy (3 votes)
gir - #2746
gorlak - #2839
turmoil7 - #2856

alexem (2 votes)
dcpat - #2510
giant panda - #2582

melonrabbit (1 votes)
ezekelrage - #2892

absolutebro (1 votes)
nin - #2956

stuart444 (1 votes)
faddy - #2317

nin (1 votes)
alexem - #2874

Post Counts:
stuart444: 174 ezekelrage: 147 gorlak: 69 coolestspot: 42 faddy: 38 thechuggernaut: 31 nin: 30 turmoil7: 25 melonrabbit: 23 alexem: 22 gir: 19 malus: 17 dcpat: 12 z-beat: 11 absolutbro: 10 giant panda: 9 sophia: 8 cabot: 3 natiko: 1 lone_prodigy: 1

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
 

EzekelRAGE

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Stuart444 What happens when Faddy flips town?
According to Stu, iirc. He wouldnt blame town for lynching him since his reads are all screwed up. Im sure he would just argue that Faddy was being scum like he did with his push on GP/Kalor.

Think he may have mentioned voting for himself, but I could be wrong on this part.

Which im sure will allow him to survive another night.

This is only if Faddy is town though.
 

Stuart444

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According to Stu, iirc. He wouldnt blame town for lynching him since his reads are all screwed up. Im sure he would just argue that Faddy was being scum like he did with his push on GP/Kalor.

I feel there is a stronger case than GP or Kalor who were low activity mostly plus that Kalor vote slip up.

If I'm wrong on this, yes I wouldn't blame town lynching me.
 
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This is only if Faddy is town though.
Do you think he is town?

The effort Stu is showing makes me town read him more. There is no way he'd be hardcore gunning for Faddy this way and expose himself to all the attention.

also
Im sure he would just argue that Faddy was being scum like he did with his push on GP/Kalor.
I'm pretty sure Stu pushed Faddy way before day end yesterday. This seems dishonest here.
 

EzekelRAGE

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There is quite a tumult and people unwilling to vote either Faddy or Sophia. I think those are good options.
Funny thing about this. I posted the vote count because I was gonna bring up how it seems you were corralling the votes yesterday. Getting ppl off their votes because it didnt seem like their pick would go through.
I wanted to go look back and see if you were angling for ppl to vote on what turned out to be two wagons that ended up being town.

Turmoil sorta did the same iirc.

I have to go look at the timing/voting though.

Sidenote: When GP survived the night, it crepted in my mind that there was a slight chance that he was a godfather. Because he did just want to let Kalor check him w/o much of a fight. But I think that GF is highly unlikely with the role Kalor had.
 

Stuart444

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I don't believe Kalor's role would work with a GF like role.

It seems to be less of a check and more of a punishment for Kalor. Choose right or you get taken out of the game.

I don't think GF factors into it personally.
 

absolutbro

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I know I'll get dragged for it, but I gotta say the post-vote shade on Kalor voters is weird to me. Like we should have all seen Kalor was town or something?
 

EzekelRAGE

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Do you think he is town?

The effort Stu is showing makes me town read him more. There is no way he'd be hardcore gunning for Faddy this way and expose himself to all the attention.
Faddy is town? Not sure, like I said the whole CS thing made him look bad. I viewed the whole thing as scummy. So wouldnt mind the flip. But ppl seems to write it off as typical behavior so idk.

If stu is right, he would fall down on my scum list.

Sophia - who I had a scum lean. Wanted this Faddy vs Stu thing resolved earlier as well. Which I pointed out, wondering why she would want to make that the lynch TD for today.

I can see a world where scum faddy/stu use this to give Stu ultimate town points. Especially wiht scum faddy being distant/burned out. And Stu has mentioned on several occassions how preemptive he is and how he likes to play 2-3 steps ahead on how ppl would respond. But I admit the chance of this are low.
I'm pretty sure Stu pushed Faddy way before day end yesterday. This seems dishonest here.
Dishonest how? He pushed GP and Kalor before day end as well. I was just doubting how open stu would be to just rolling over/screaming into the void like he claims, IF faddy is town.
 

Stuart444

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I know I'll get dragged for it, but I gotta say the post-vote shade on Kalor voters is weird to me. Like we should have all seen Kalor was town or something?

It's more trying to figure out which votes were easy. Like Kalor did mess up which gives scum an opportunity.

I think the shade is more about trying to figure out which scum jumped on the vote train.
 

Stuart444

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Also I just looked back and yeah, Faddy was town reading me quite a bit before I pushed on him. But my push suddenly made me scum to him.

I'm even more certain that he was totally caught off guard and reacted very defensively from surprise. He is now committed to saying I'm scum because he can't exactly backtrack plus he knows I won't let this go.

I'm sure of this lynch.
 

EzekelRAGE

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Also in regards to faddy, Im being hypocritical in regards to not liking ppl using "scum wouldnt do that" argument.

iirc Faddy took shots at and used Stu's meltdown against him. I would hope a scum player wouldnt stoop that low.

*shrug*
 

Stuart444

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I'll also say in regards to this:

I can see a world where scum faddy/stu use this to give Stu ultimate town points. Especially wiht scum faddy being distant/burned out. And Stu has mentioned on several occassions how preemptive he is and how he likes to play 2-3 steps ahead on how ppl would respond. But I admit the chance of this are low.

on the off chance that not only am I correct but I survive because scum plan to use this on me, I'm absolutely fine with it.

I'll still be scum hunting until the very end so even if I got lynched, my flip would make people go back and read what I've said.

I certainly don't blame anyone for thinking it though, especially as I did note how I try to keep steps ahead and I'm willing to take the lynch if people decide to go that route.

I however will keep pushing on Faddy and if I survive the night, I'll push to look at the links I've talked about.
 

EzekelRAGE

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Also in regards to faddy, Im being hypocritical in regards to not liking ppl using "scum wouldnt do that" argument.

iirc Faddy took shots at and used Stu's meltdown against him. I would hope a scum player wouldnt stoop that low.

*shrug*
admittedly this has also burned me with thinking a scum brazil wouldnt save a town fando by defending him using IRL issues.
 

gir

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Oct 25, 2017
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I've been doing that all thread so far but sure. I'll specifically use the angle I posted earlier:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/br...der-line-insanity.80762/page-58#post-15292300

Bear made some links between them,. in response to the question from Grizzly, Sophia responds:



Doesn't this look like she's trying to create distance from Faddy with a slight scum read without voting on him once.

Now in regards to the same question to Faddy re sophia:



He isn't creating the same type of distance but does throw some shade in there then goes "but in that world I don't get" etc.

That's some more links between them. if Faddy is lynched and is scum, it gives more evidence/links for an LP lynch.

(I could also go back and continue on about Faddy but since you're interested in the LP lynch, I figured maybe these links would get you interested in a Faddy lynch to give you more evidence for an LP lynch in the next day phase)
That is not an elevator pitch... youd make a terrible salesman
 

turmoil7

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*slaps faddy*

This baby will make you write over a hundred posts scumreading him
 

Alexem

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sorry for the delay in getting back to this. Honestly, I'm still pretty neutral on Melon. I went back for a quick re-read earlier this morning, but I don't think she's set off any major red flags to me. I see she was dubious of the posthumous statements from Fantomas and, quite honestly, without proof of the chat granting power, she has every right to be.

I still see Stuart's tunnel on Faddy to be coming from a town position. I can't say whether he's right or not, but given how overt he's been about it, I would be genuinely surprised to see him flip scum at this point. I just don't think the scum team would risk him going in so recklessly if he were.
 

Stuart444

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If he has something to say i will listen and consider it, but nothing so far.

So literally everything I've posted about Faddy, both circumstantial and evidence based, you just don't care about?

Man, that won't look good if Faddy flips scum. though I'd still push to investigate LP before you but still.
 

Stuart444

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Sorry for the delay in getting back to this. Honestly, I'm still pretty neutral on Melon. I went back for a quick re-read earlier this morning, but I don't think she's set off any major red flags to me. I see she was dubious of the posthumous statements from Fantomas and, quite honestly, without proof of the chat granting power, she has every right to be.

I still see Stuart's tunnel on Faddy to be coming from a town position. I can't say whether he's right or not, but given how overt he's been about it, I would be genuinely surprised to see him flip scum at this point. I just don't think the scum team would risk him going in so recklessly if he were.

If you trust I'm town, how about trusting me on Faddy and vote for him? This is a good case for a lynch and I'm sure I'm right.
 

EzekelRAGE

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Sorry for the delay in getting back to this. Honestly, I'm still pretty neutral on Melon. I went back for a quick re-read earlier this morning, but I don't think she's set off any major red flags to me. I see she was dubious of the posthumous statements from Fantomas and, quite honestly, without proof of the chat granting power, she has every right to be.
Not a real meaty take on Melon tbh.

Not setting off any major flags - is kinda wishy washy.
Her thoughts on the legitamcy of the Fanto reads arent an issue to really make note of.

You don't have anything you like about her(other than her opinion on the fanto reads)? Dislike?
 

Alexem

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Not a real meaty take on Melon tbh.

Not setting off any major flags - is kinda wishy washy.
Her thoughts on the legitamcy of the Fanto reads arent an issue to really make note of.

You don't have anything you like about her(other than her opinion on the fanto reads)? Dislike?
If you want my honest opinion on the matter, I think you're in as much of a tunnel with regards to Melon as Stuart is with Faddy. She pushed you, you're pushing back. It looks a lot like OMGUS from where I stand.
 

DCPat

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Oct 28, 2017
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You're on. I can see this coming down to a head to head, and of the two of you, I'd prefer to see Faddy flipped.
VOTE: Faddy

How do you see this coming down to a head to head between Faddy and Stuart? Stuart screamed us to do this and nobody responded.

I'm going to buy in to Stuarts demands and read back indept on Faddy and also Sophia so if nobody wants to join me on a lynch for you I'll see where I vote betweem them two. But I refuse to take part in a requested thunderdome of some sorts.
 

Stuart444

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You're on. I can see this coming down to a head to head, and of the two of you, I'd prefer to see Faddy flipped.
VOTE: Faddy

Good man.

This is also because we're at 3 hours to EOD and if we stayed at where we were, Faddy could vote for LP and cause a tie.

Fun fact: if LP/Sophia was scum, that would save both of them.

With a bigger gap, we avoid the possibility of a tie.
 

turmoil7

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Well, Faddy is at 5 votes, majority is 8

I still lean on flipping Alexem today over him if LP does take off
 
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I would comment on the last couple of pages, but's there's basically nothing new except some posts that are going to be intresting depending on the filp. I do think it's a good call to just rip off the bandaid of this Stuart vs Faddy thing at the very least
 

turmoil7

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I take note of Sophia liking solving Stu-Faddy today and few people interested on lynching her/LP for a second day in a row
 

EzekelRAGE

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If you want my honest opinion on the matter, I think you're in as much of a tunnel with regards to Melon as Stuart is with Faddy. She pushed you, you're pushing back. It looks a lot like OMGUS from where I stand.
Dont use my tunnel as a reason for you giving a such a bad read.

Like I said before, I felt scummy about you. You have been coasting with the low activity and posts that read as broad generalizations that summarizes what other posters have said.

So yea when you give that bad read on Melon Im going to call it out.

I see you didnt dispute anything in my response either. So you argree the read was weak?
 

turmoil7

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Let the gamerunners handle that from their side of the game I say, in any case pm your concerns