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Alexem

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh, and if Turmoil and DCPat both flip town then looking into Alexem again would be a good idea because that probably means that it was scum vs scum today. But I'll be surprised if they both flip town
Yes, that'd be an understandable conclusion. Incorrect, I'm obliged to say of course, but I accept that it wouldn't reflect well on me. I do think that there's something going on there, though.
 

CoolestSpot

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,325
Attempt 2
Offputting - understandable
But what makes you town read me after doing a gambit to try an catch me?

Your tunnel vision is many things, especially infamous. You lost us a game and got yelled at by many a watching and dead player a game ago. You lucking into killing scum with this super power sounds like the most TOWN!Zeke thing I can think of
 

Z-Beat

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Oct 25, 2017
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Z-Beat what do you think about how this ended up?
Wasn't expecting the hammer. I mean it worked out but still.

Faddy was active enough that we should be able to get something out of his posts. He used ET as a sacrifice to throw us off for a day or two. I still want to know what nin and gorlak think of this. I have to wonder if nin would've changed his vote had he been around for the hammer.
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'll also link this here: #2891!

A quick check of Grizzly's read on Faddy which I feel is a link between Sophia and Faddy. As he died the next night, I again think it is logical that he was killed for nailing two of the scum team, namely Faddy and Sophia (now LP).
 

CoolestSpot

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'll also link this here: #2891!

A quick check of Grizzly's read on Faddy which I feel is a link between Sophia and Faddy. As he died the next night, I again think it is logical that he was killed for nailing two of the scum team, namely Faddy and Sophia (now LP).

Hey Sophia was the other one I felt unsure of cause of playing style

Changing players/making me feel guilty as shit can only hide you for so long

Vote: Lone_Prodigy
 

Alexem

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Oct 27, 2017
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A quick check of Grizzly's read on Faddy which I feel is a link between Sophia and Faddy. As he died the next night, I again think it is logical that he was killed for nailing two of the scum team, namely Faddy and Sophia (now LP).
Yes, I noticed that theory before - thank you for the reminder. Faddy's flip certainly gives it some extra weight.
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well remember it's early and Majority is 9.

I'd also like to hear from LP as a fresh perspective on the game.
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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also DCPat opinion on LP?

Already know what Turmoil thinks as he has said he thinks he's scum already. Curious to know your thoughts though.
 

Z-Beat

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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I'll also link this here: #2891!

A quick check of Grizzly's read on Faddy which I feel is a link between Sophia and Faddy. As he died the next night, I again think it is logical that he was killed for nailing two of the scum team, namely Faddy and Sophia (now LP).
I normally wouldn't assume scumteam would be so foolish to kill someone looking at more than one scum, but the evidence in there is mad damning

I'm also pretty concerned that nin dodged the whole thing to push a low-activity vote. I get the logic behind it, but the timing of it (in the middle of the stuff with faddy) seems...weird.
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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I normally wouldn't assume scumteam would be so foolish to kill someone looking at more than one scum, but the evidence in there is mad damning

That's the only thing that makes me wary BUT we are in a rather good place at the minute that we can afford to follow roads like this.

Of course it's better to avoid a mislynch so we have all day phase to analyse and see how we feel.
 

turmoil7

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't understand why people seems to town read nin so much, last day phase he was pretty much "any low activity player is good", simple way to give scum an easy argument to mislynch.
 

Alexem

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Oct 27, 2017
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Essex, UK
I'm going to call it a night here. While Turmoil and DCPat are, as stated, my main concerns, I agree that the suspicions on Sophia/L_P aren't unfounded - Stuart's brought up the Faddy connection and I'm also bearing in mind the end of D2 as I mentioned yesterday:
I also noticed that Sophia seemed go quiet while I was re-reading Kalor's claim and over-ride - she was calling for people to avoid turbo-ing Kalor, which is perfectly understandable, but didn't seem to be around when people were putting the pressure on. I considered that she might have been away when the pressure mounted - especially if she was expecting the over-ride to come nearer to deadline time - but then I noticed that she greeted GP about six minutes before Kalor used his action, so I think she was still around. Given her earlier response to the situation, I would have expected a little more resistance from her when there were calls for Kalor to go ahead.
The complication, of course, is that L_P is typically a quiet player - to the extent that I'd be concerned if he were suddenly more active - so most of the facts we have to work with come will come from Sophia's involvement in the first two days.

I'll do my best to catch up with things in the morning - the usual Monday rush will most likely make things a bit trickier for me, but I'll try to check in as best I can. G'night, gang.
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't understand why people seems to town read nin so much, last day phase he was pretty much "any low activity player is good", simple way to give scum an easy argument to mislynch.

Day 1 and 2 he felt town Nin to me. Last day phase was very suspect though which is why I'm willing to look at and be open to him today as well.
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm going to call it a night here. While Turmoil and DCPat are, as stated, my main concerns, I agree that the suspicions on Sophia/L_P aren't unfounded - Stuart's brought up the Faddy connection and I'm also bearing in mind the end of D2 as I mentioned yesterday:

The complication, of course, is that L_P is typically a quiet player - to the extent that I'd be concerned if he were suddenly more active - so most of the facts we have to work with come will come from Sophia's involvement in the first two days.

I'll do my best to catch up with things in the morning - the usual Monday rush will most likely make things a bit trickier for me, but I'll try to check in as best I can. G'night, gang.

Hmm, I can see where you're coming from but idk, I mean push back to Kalor using the override and pressuring him to use it can both be considered scummy in hindsight depending on flips.
 

Z-Beat

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't understand why people seems to town read nin so much, last day phase he was pretty much "any low activity player is good", simple way to give scum an easy argument to mislynch.
Because of nin's D1 town claim and fant thinking he was town before he died on top of nin's willingness to insert himself as conversation lead while letting the conversation devolve into madness and trying to push more people into the conversation that's already out of control while simultaneously avoiding the faddy/alex thing almost the whole way through even though our only two confirmed scums were fairly active.
 

EzekelRAGE

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Nov 3, 2017
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Your tunnel vision is many things, especially infamous. You lost us a game and got yelled at by many a watching and dead player a game ago. You lucking into killing scum with this super power sounds like the most TOWN!Zeke thing I can think of
Last three games are
KH - Town win. And if you are referring to my tunnels there. Brazil.............scum. Muffin......................scum. At the end me and Stu were arguing about which scum to lynch first.
GoT - Lone 3rd Party
Marvel - Town win there

What has happened in THIS game, w/o referring to outside games, to change me from scum to town.
 

EzekelRAGE

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Also its spec chat, what else is there to do except yell

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CoolestSpot

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Oct 25, 2017
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Last three games are
KH - Town win. And if you are referring to my tunnels there. Brazil.............scum. Muffin......................scum. At the end me and Stu were arguing about which scum to lynch first.
GoT - Lone 3rd Party
Marvel - Town win there

What has happened in THIS game, w/o referring to outside games, to change me from scum to town.

I'm referring to kingdom hearts. You single handily let Brazil live when you were only one able to stop him.
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm referring to kingdom hearts. You single handily let Brazil live when you were only one able to stop him.

You mean He refused to hammer resulting in your death. We won quickly the next day but yeah, that was something.

Anyway, that's from a previous game and has zero impact here (even from a meta perspective imo). So let's move on from this.
 

Giant Panda

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Oct 25, 2017
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Those are nice evening and morning updates to have back to back. We can be highly confident Stuart is town for leading the charge on Faddy and because his argument with Faddy got genuinely heated. It is more likely that Alexem is town now. Being already a player down, I think the scum team would have been doing everything in their power to avoid a scum vs scum scenario. I wouldn't be totally opposed to info lynching Alexem just to make sure. Sophia/LP is still sort of an null read for me.

In the scenario LP and Alexem are both town, then Turmoil comes out looking pretty suspect as he hopped back and forth between the non-Faddy lynches depending on which looked more likely to save Faddy. He started off the day town reading Faddy but it looks like Faddy moves up his list after Stuart starts pushing Faddy harder. It might be that Stuart really convinced him, or it could be turmoil thought he needed to start distancing himself from Faddy in case he got lynched.

This was turmoil's progression yesterday.

Now I am less angry at the note thing, I won't judge gorlak for also wanting a policy lynch

So I believe Faddy is insane town Faddy. He just is like that(buck bumble mafia nightmares here)

My issue here is that if we don't mislynch him today we will be draging this forever and he will be a easy target.

If we have one kill nights from now on, if my math isn't wrong, we have 2 mislynches before LYLO(assuming 4 remaining scum)

I think we probably would be better lynching on the (nin, gir, gorlak, LP) range today but that seems unlikely.

I like to get rid of alexem to know more of dcpat and because his contributions weren't substantial according to my memory.

I lean town on Zeke and Stu

VOTE:Alexem

Thinks Faddy is town, but throws a little shade to distance himself.

EzekelRAGE Stuart444

Those are good points I honestly overlooked.

I'm starting to like lynching between Alexem and Faddy today
Really convinced that Faddy is scummy, or starting to distance himself?

Lone_Prodigy

VOTE:Lone_Prodigy

Currently the people I want to lynch today:

-LP
-nin
-alexem
-faddy

Don't feel bad about lynching someone catching up.

We are on D3, we have lots of flips and a green check. He CAN give more informed opinions than Sophia could had on D2

Suddenly switches to LP after his previous post that he was considering between Alexem and Faddy. At this point the Alexem vote had stalled but the LP vote looked to be on the upswing. Why not switch to Faddy at that point if the Alexem vote was going nowhere?

I think alexem has been less engaged with the game, commenting without commitment towards a position, overall he feels like a wordy lurker to me.

What hasn't been said of faddy already? I still give some towncred to him for the ET vote. Maybe I am wrong and Stu is right on the bussing and everything else, let's see

LP vote stalls, and it's this vote that revives the Alexem lynch as the alternative.
 

turmoil7

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So scum had a 1 shot Ninja, isn't that strong enough of a counter to a town motion detector? Looking at Chuggs sleepwalker claim here.

If at some point we flip a scum motion detector, it will look good.

If that never happens, it will begin to look bad
 

EzekelRAGE

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Nov 3, 2017
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So scum had a 1 shot Ninja, isn't that strong enough of a counter to a town motion detector? Looking at Chuggs sleepwalker claim here.

If at some point we flip a scum motion detector, it will look good.

If that never happens, it will begin to look bad
Explain what you mean about chugs claim? That it could be false?

Reading the Faddy pm tells me it can be missed and there are roles that can make him miss.

From my reading of the sleepwalker role, he could still be targeted.
 

turmoil7

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Explain what you mean about chugs claim? That it could be false?

Reading the Faddy pm tells me it can be missed and there are roles that can make him miss.

From my reading of the sleepwalker role, he could still be targeted.

I mean, a Ninja kill is untrackable to a town motion detector, so it weakens the MD role. Chuggs role also weakens the motion detector adding noise to the night movements. If Chuggs is town and tracked when randomly visiting someone who dies, he is toast and the town motion detector outed themself. Huge punishment for town. If Chuggs is telling the truth there must be, imo, a scum role that can be deceived by his power.

For example, a scum vanilla cop would check him and see he is not vanilla, scum wastes a NK on him.

Or a scum motion detector would see him visiting people and waste a NK next night.
 

EzekelRAGE

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Looks like I just misread the "leave no trace" as no role pm when i should read it as can't be seen doing the kill.

Yea makes me believe chugs claim more.
 

turmoil7

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So ninja means moves w/o being seen/watched and leaving no role pm?

Thought it was just another name for custodian in this case.
I have no idea what a custodian is.

There are roles like watcher(targets someone and receives a list of everyone who visited them), tracker(follows someone, if that player moves at night, receives who they visited as a result).

If a watcher watches the person night killed, it caught scum. Same if a tracker follows who makes the night kill. A ninja is a scum counter to these roles. My point is, from a balancing point of view, if we don't eventually flip a scum role that can be weakened by the sleepwalker, then Chuggs becomes more suspect, but this is something for later in the game
 

Lone_Prodigy

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Thought I had more time to catch up, sorry gang.

Do we think there was a late bus on Faddy?

Also if ET voted D1 the game could look different.
 

EzekelRAGE

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I have no idea what a custodian is.

There are roles like watcher(targets someone and receives a list of everyone who visited them), tracker(follows someone, if that player moves at night, receives who they visited as a result).

If a watcher watches the person night killed, it caught scum. Same if a tracker follows who makes the night kill. A ninja is a scum counter to these roles. My point is, from a balancing point of view, if we don't eventually flip a scum role that can be weakened by the sleepwalker, then Chuggs becomes more suspect, but this is something for later in the game
Oh, ok. Janitor is role that hides role pms when someone dies.

Thoughts on GP's post on you?
 

EzekelRAGE

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I'm trying to work out if Zeke is mafia and clear up the mess coolest is making.
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So I believe Faddy is insane town Faddy. He just is like that(buck bumble mafia nightmares here)

On day 1 he must had had hundreds of good chances to drop his vote on ET yet he didn't.

You know how he is able to latch on the smallest thing, he would had found something to switch to someone else. Yet he didn't for the ~500 posts between Fanto's vote and mine.

*slaps faddy*

This baby will make you write over a hundred posts scumreading him

Let the gamerunners handle that from their side of the game I say, in any case pm your concerns
Kalor is the way folks

Sophia is more helpful

Don't feel bad on GP, he just was wrong on ET vs CS and a little inactive on d1

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melonrabbit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Idk what is more shocking the fact that Faddy was scum or the fact that rugby remains the gold standard of scumtells.

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Hi, Lone_Prodigy apparently you are already dead. But what else is new with you?
 

melonrabbit

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Also, I trust Zeke less than I did before. That hammer was for show.

A ninja going out with barely a whimper means he wasn't useful to scum anymore. Likely traded for town points.
 
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I'll admit, Zeke has been pretty off putting to me lately. Wanting to go after Alexem after yesterday seems like a weird choice to me. If LP flips town, then I think he might be worth looking at.