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nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
First of all. I bow down to you Stuart444
I seriously did not see That coming.
Second of all, sorry about my activity in general yesterday aswell as my absence at eod. Won't happen again.
And now let's see where this game is heading.

Just holy shit.
No one died, GP still alive, this game man
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
I also while town reading Nin, I do find it suspect how much he pushed the low activity coaster lynch last day phase. Might be something to think about as well.

Whil I certainly agree that the last day phase put some more shade on me, let me be clear abxout it.
I was too stubborn to vote either of you. I thought it was a TvT situation and did not want to get my hands dirty. Sorry, I was wrong.
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,126
I'll admit, Zeke has been pretty off putting to me lately. Wanting to go after Alexem after yesterday seems like a weird choice to me. If LP flips town, then I think he might be worth looking at.
What was weird about me going after Alex? How so?

My opening post on the day was me saying he/Stu/Sophia were 2/3 scum. I have posts saying he is part of a scum team in multiple combinations. Which he pointed out earlier.

Let's say lp flips town, what would be the reason for me being scum?
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,126
With how the last day turned out, it has to be Lone_Prodigy, other than that I serously am having some trouble, since I kinda was just "there" last day phase. Will get into work mode now though.

Let's see where this leads me
How does it have to be lp? Lp had one post so what connections are there from your pov?
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
I know this is more of a late game question but, what is the chance of Faddy, Stuart being both scum?

Just a hipótesis, since for now I want to go after other people.
Just throwing out ideas and i dont want to forget that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
23,216
What was weird about me going after Alex? How so?

My opening post on the day was me saying he/Stu/Sophia were 2/3 scum. I have posts saying he is part of a scum team in multiple combinations. Which he pointed out earlier.

Let's say lp flips town, what would be the reason for me being scum?

I think the chances of yesterday being scum vs scum was very low and unless scum were just sleepwalking through that day. I think looking at the people on that wagon is the safer bet and hey, one of them was you. That being said, I think you're the least likely to be scum on that wagon aside from the town who's confirmed, but I find you still wanting to lynch Alex after yesterday to be suspect.
 
Oct 25, 2017
23,216
I know this is more of a late game question but, what is the chance of Faddy, Stuart being both scum?

Just a hipótesis, since for now I want to go after other people.
Just throwing out ideas and i dont want to forget that.

Having scum bus another scum mate to that degree is a weird play at best. I honestly don't see it.
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,126
I know this is more of a late game question but, what is the chance of Faddy, Stuart being both scum?

Just a hipótesis, since for now I want to go after other people.
Just throwing out ideas and i dont want to forget that.
I think there is a chance of it happening. I mentioned it yesterday. I felt faddy going all crazy about me/cs was him making him self more bussable.

Especially if Sophia turns out to be scum. She wanted Stu vs faddy "to be resolved" earlier in the day phase. Stu gives town the ultimatum of it being him vs faddy. I can see faddy's frustration/lack of interest/meltdown Due to being bussed by Stu. I feel faddy used his ninja n1 and failed. So he was only a mafia goon at that point.

Small chance, but like you said something to keep in mind.
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,126
I think the chances of yesterday being scum vs scum was very low and unless scum were just sleepwalking through that day. I think looking at the people on that wagon is the safer bet and hey, one of them was you. That being said, I think you're the least likely to be scum on that wagon aside from the town who's confirmed, but I find you still wanting to lynch Alex after yesterday to be suspect.
Wanting to look at Alex wagon I get.

You still haven't explained how me wanting to lynch Alex is suspect. Unless me being on Alex wagon is the only reason?
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
I don't understand why people seems to town read nin so much, last day phase he was pretty much "any low activity player is good", simple way to give scum an easy argument to mislynch.

You don't need to, I mean it baffles me aswell but it feels good to be town read.
Why does it bother you? You still think that I am scum?
 
Oct 25, 2017
23,216
Wanting to look at Alex wagon I get.

You still haven't explained how me wanting to lynch Alex is suspect. Unless me being on Alex wagon is the only reason?

Because why waste time doing that when there's more likely people to go after right now? It feels like a scum move to get town to mislynch someone. I'm not going to dig deeper into you because you're not one of my top three, but I have my eye on you
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,240
Good morning! Congrats on the scum lynch Stuart444, you fought hard for that.
And nice save doctor (or please let there be no delayed kill)

I have not reread the thread yet. But from memory my biggest scumread would be Nin right now, Faddy townread him immediatly and yesterday nin's posts had "don't lynch faddy but anyone else" all written over them. Turmoil shot up the suspicious ladder big time. Still think Sophia/LP is scum.
A harder case is Alexem the jumps on and off his wagon must mean something. I lean more town on him atm.

I'll go and dig up Faddy's posts.

EzekelRAGE - since we hit scum in faddy yesterday, I don't think we need to talk about you atm. I'm always interest in your insights though. Where do you stand on Chugger now?
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,240
Faddy was really unhappy about my vote on him early D1. So hard that he kept throwing shade at me at every corner. I think B-Dubs/malus could be scum. The emotional reaction comes to mind, which Fantomas pointed out - if I remember correctly Faddy townread that, refused to cooperate with me and went on to keep B-Dubs in his town reads and went as far as picking malus for his "town" circle.
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,126
Faddy was really unhappy about my vote on him early D1. So hard that he kept throwing shade at me at every corner. I think B-Dubs/malus could be scum. The emotional reaction comes to mind, which Fantomas pointed out - if I remember correctly Faddy townread that, refused to cooperate with me and went on to keep B-Dubs in his town reads and went as far as picking malus for his "town" circle.
Yea, was odd he put mal in the core.

Chugs - claim is believable for me atm so not much more to say.
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
Tbf it was more a I am not going into that than I am not lynching Faddy.
But that is a lame excuse so I am okay with getting the heat from playing bad.

*shrug*
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,240
Some small corrections about that summary Alexem

> Gorlak read Faddy as town, along with Zeke, Turmoil, Spot, Chuggernaut and Nin.
This is an over simplification of my reads list and does not include my conversation with Stu, where I stated that I swap my reads on Faddy and Stu, based on who put the first vote outside the town wagons D2.
> Gorlak himself picked Malus, Melon and AB as his top scum. He would later feel better about Melon.
I never said something like that about Malus and you are not the first one to confuse him with Sophia. Why does this happen here? Top scum was Sophia/LP. Malus was a plain null at that time. I also reread AB and didn't think as bad about him.
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
Can you give me quotes where you townread Faddy & Stu?

Faddy seems to go the same route as in Conspiracy.

A dark one.

Scum will just coast and let town eat itself up.

not going to happen this time though

Faddy has been on my top town list from the beginning, as for Stu after his meltdown I petty much town read him aswell.

Faddy, day one
Sru after the beginning of day 2
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
The quote is me saying that it was a TvT situation and I did not want to let town eat itself up like they did in conspiracy
 

Alexem

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,335
Essex, UK
I know this is more of a late game question but, what is the chance of Faddy, Stuart being both scum?

Just a hipótesis, since for now I want to go after other people.
Just throwing out ideas and i dont want to forget that.
I have entertained the possibility of Stuart bussing Faddy - in all, it does feel too overt to me to be the case. That said, if we found ourselves at the end of the game with Stuart, GP and one other player facing off against each other, I would have a very bad feeling about what was about to happen... As you say, though, that's more of a situation for later in the game. As it stands, if Stuart really did bus Faddy yesterday, he deserves some kind of Mafia BAFTA for that performance. (A MAFTA, if you will.)
I never said something like that about Malus and you are not the first one to confuse him with Sophia. Why does this happen here? Top scum was Sophia/LP. Malus was a plain null at that time. I also reread AB and didn't think as bad about him.
You're quite right - apologies for the confusion, that should indeed have said L_P and not Malus:
I will go back rereading. My top scum still are: Sophia, melon, AB.
Just to confirm, those points were simplified extracts from my full set of notes - I was highlighting the ones that I found more interesting in relation to Faddy's flip, so they were never meant to include everything.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,240
Vote: turmoil7

By memory the interaction with Faddy was scarce and it basically boiled down to: faddy: "yup, he's town" and turmoil: "yeah I townread him"
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
I know this is more of a late game question but, what is the chance of Faddy, Stuart being both scum?

Just a hipótesis, since for now I want to go after other people.
Just throwing out ideas and i dont want to forget that.

I know this is about me but I'll say how I think about it anyway.

If it was someone else in my position, I'd think it would be very unlikely but if they were around in a few day phases, I'd seriously look into the possibility that they were scum
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,126
He's asking why you'd think/assume that as there is no proof he used his Ninja kill or it failed.
just a gut thing. I feel that scum wouldve went for a double kill n1 if possible. Not really concerned too much about the Alex voters (me/tur/dc) since it wouldve been dumb for them to try and save someone like faddy.
He wasn't really contributing, digging his own hole deeper.

SN - No one has came forward say anything about being in a chat again. That makes scum chat creator being more likely. Which means they killed Fanto after seeing his reads.
Fanto's top scum were Stu/Melon/Kalor.
Fanto's top town included Faddy/Nin/Turmoil
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,126
Huh, just went back and looked. No mention of it being considered the 'faction' kill. Normally with these types of powers, if it can't be used on the same night as the team kill, it would say so.

So yeah I can see why you might assume that then.
Yep. That's why I am treating Faddy as if it was a mafia goon at that point. Not worth saving with the lack of effort he put in.

Back to chat - So Scum Controlled chat. Wasnt sure at the time if Fanto was gonna be the kill. Why waste the chat power on someone you planned to kill?
Im chosen to be in the chat due to playstyle and ppl believing I may have a pr(really just melon alluding to it D1).

Stuart444 I have a question. There were a few occasions during the game where you called me scum for not being as busy(posting wise) as I usually was in previous games. Why havent you called out melon for her low activity compared to previous games? I know you defended her bringing up timezone difference, but 2-3 days and still the same activity.
 

Alexem

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,335
Essex, UK
SN - No one has came forward say anything about being in a chat again. That makes scum chat creator being more likely. Which means they killed Fanto after seeing his reads.
Fanto's top scum were Stu/Melon/Kalor.
Fanto's top town included Faddy/Nin/Turmoil
If Fanto's top scum included Kalor, who we know as town, and his top town included Faddy, who we know is scum, wouldn't those reads alone be useful to scum? If they were planning a push against Kalor on D2 he could have helped with that - if he'd been around a day further, he could even have ended up standing up for Faddy.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
Stuart444 I have a question. There were a few occasions during the game where you called me scum for not being as busy(posting wise) as I usually was in previous games. Why havent you called out melon for her low activity compared to previous games? I know you defended her bringing up timezone difference, but 2-3 days and still the same activity.

2 reasons

1. Because of what you posted there that I've already said.

2. Because I was called out earlier for relying on past games meta. So I've tried to tone it down.
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,126
Vote: Melonrabbit

With the way the day is going. Highly doubt I will move*. Looking like an LP lynch anyway.


*Unless there is a repeat of Faddy. Where I can hammer someone near deadline who has given up.
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Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,068
That was Grizzly. It might be the reason he was killed N2, but Stuart thinks it's also because Grizzly scumread Sophia.

Yup, I'm right now going on the assumption that it was because he scum read two of the scum team. If it was just scum reading Faddy, I feel scum might have left him alive as no one was really pushing faddy at the time. Plus Grizzly mentioned several times that Sophia was his top scum read.

I think there is merit in that line of thinking.
 

EzekelRAGE

Member
Nov 3, 2017
16,126
If Fanto's top scum included Kalor, who we know as town, and his top town included Faddy, who we know is scum, wouldn't those reads alone be useful to scum? If they were planning a push against Kalor on D2 he could have helped with that - if he'd been around a day further, he could even have ended up standing up for Faddy.
Stu was number 1 with a bullet on his list. That was the plan to push. She went heavily in depth on him.
Reasoning for Kalor was weakish. Amounting to low activity and slip vote. I doubt he wouldve tried to heavily defend Faddy. Especially with how faddy reacted D2.

2. Because I was called out earlier for relying on past games meta. So I've tried to tone it down.
Now you see the light and don't want to use past game meta?
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