Destiny 2 |OT| Guardians Make Their Own Fate

Some nice additions for gotta catch em all lords. Not thrilled about stat boosts rather than re-rollable perks (and/or better yet, huge perk additions/retooling). Many weapons are already insanely skewed from a stat perspective--imagine adding more impact to a Uriels or more range to a Last Hope for example. We'll see.

TsuWave said:

why are they bringing three of coins back? and guaranteed new exotic with xur engram?

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Why not? 3oC were good because even repeating activities meant you had a chance of gaining an exotic engram.

Finally I can spend some stuff.

Ruthless said:

Blog post was worth the wait. So much good stuff!

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I agree that there is some good QoL stuff in there, but a lot of it is stuff that should have been in the game from the start and was missing from D1. I was looking for info on stuff like cooldowns and addressing player power. Maybe that's coming with the Sandbox tuning updates, we'll have to see.

Masterwork weapons sound great on paper, but looking at the image provided it looks like the stat bonuses are negligible. It seems like a clip mod is on the Uriel's and it gives you 2 more bullets in the clip. The other mod is for reload speed and it increases it by 10. You likely won't even be able to feel these changes. The generating orbs thing sounds nice until I remembered how artifacts in TTK said they would generate orbs, which was very rarely.

"Tuning exotics" could lead to increased player power but I'm not holding my breath. Most exotics in the game need massive buffs I just don't see them doing.

Another thing I was hoping they would address was how stats were tied into armor. I don't like having to wear a specific set to get specific stats.

The best takeaway from the update is promising more open communication quicker, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I also didn't see any system like Luke talked about "getting your 13th Better Devils"? Masterworks seems like its own separate thing.

Great changes overall. Loving the sounds of most of this. Some changes may even lure me back into the Crucible. It should be getting closer to games with deeper and more complex systems (such as Warframe 2) come December 12th.

A few comments:
- I hope the Three of Coins effect persists if I log off prior to the four hour duration expiring. That is a very long chunk of time. If not, perhaps they can also sell a cheaper two hour version.
- I don't like that Banshee-44's specific Legendary mods will cost shards and components, as the process of acquiring components is still so dependent upon playing the RNG-then-breakdown-then-repeat game. I say just get rid of components and simplify things by making it all cost shards. And I hope his daily selection includes one mod for each slot, or at least four. All that said, these announced changes are still far preferable to the current system.

The Dude said:

I pretty much did my reset stuff and would run some world events, purchased from xur and that was it. Has nothing to do with having no life, although seems your goal here is to make a dig any chance you get. Running 2 characters and getting the powerful engrams, along with clan engrams made exotics come in fairly quick. I'll note I don't have all hunter exotics as I am only doing lock and titan this time around.

Also, Xur has sold sweet business recently.

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Nah, not trying to dig my dude. As I said, maybe you got lucky. I didnt get Sweet business from Xur. Im on PC if that matters, but I cant remember him having it. Maybe it was when I was ranking up at the start.

Fated Engram sounds like the only way I'll ever get the Orpheus Rigs and Skyburners Oath.

AerialFox said:

Nah, not trying to dig my dude. As I said, maybe you got lucky. I didnt get Sweet business from Xur. Im on PC if that matters, but I cant remember him having it. Maybe it was when I was ranking up at the start.

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Could be... I just know I simply did resets and all the powerful engram quests for a few weeks on my titan and lock, and had pretty much every exotic for those 2 classes fairly quick.

The idea is simply having that longevity, I felt original destiny handled it pretty well.

Ruthless said:

Blog post was worth the wait. So much good stuff!

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Agreed. There's some good stuff in there. Haven't played in a couple of weeks, but I might hop on tonight and prepare for the changes coming up. I REALLY hope they are serious about keeping up this kind of dialogue in the future and don't fall back to their old ways of staying silent. I love this kind of stuff since it gives us some insight into what the team is working on and gives us something to look forward to especially during the time between DLCs. And it's just good for the community in general

Trakan said:

Edit: Correct me if I'm wrong but I also didn't see any system like Luke talked about "getting your 13th Better Devils"? Masterworks seems like its own separate thing.

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Maybe your 13th Better Devils will be a masterwork. Or, if not, you can dismantle it for shards and use those shards to buy a legendary from a vendor, which may be a masterwork. Or, if not, maybe your 14th Be- *runs*

Dave_6 said:

Fated Engram sounds like the only way I'll ever get the Orpheus Rigs and Skyburners Oath.

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Considering I've gotten the same helmet three or four times and Sunshot at least five times, I'm up for any kind of system/mechanic that can get me more unique exotics. I still haven't even seen any exotic power weapons or boots.

I wish they'd just up the exotic drop rate so they just explode from enemies every time you kill a Major ala Diablo 3 rather than outright sell you the exotics you don't have.

Guppeth said:

I hope increased vault space is a given, and that's why they didn't feel the need to mention it.

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Bungie would be pretty stupid to give us all these new items and not bother to increase the vault space, plus maybe they can separate armour and weapons like in Destiny 1 Vault.

Dinoric said:

Bungie would be pretty stupid to give us all these new items and not bother to increase the vault space, plus maybe they can separate armour and weapons like in Destiny 1 Vault.

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We'll have to see. Something tells me there's a reason why we're getting ornaments for so many sets.

I am feeling very pleased with the announcements. As a new player who hasn't played destiny 1 I have been very happy with the game so far. All of the changes besides the random rolls sound excellent but the random rolls seem like very miniscule bonuses that won't affect much.

Very excited to finally have more reasons to log in and play every week besides enjoying the gameplay.

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Why not? 3oC were good because even repeating activities meant you had a chance of gaining an exotic engram.

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three of coins trivialized exotics imo, and the game already does a substantial job at providing exotic engrams, plus, from many of the complaints i read about D2 the lack of "chase", exotics included, was one of the issues, as in, there's no "gjallahorn!!!!!!!" moments

It's a great start.

Had a smile the whole time reading the update. I know this is all stuff that should have been in at launch, but I'm just super happy that the game is finally going to get better.

Great start Bungie! Really good stuff.

Looks good to me

3 of coins is back?

I'm playing catch up and missed their discussion (looking for it now).

Did they touch upon the other issues like bringing back transferrable armor/weapon perks via infusion, bringing back Hunter blink jump, fixing nerfed Hunter throwing knives, samey bland weapon/armor stats across the board, borked mod RNG system, flaccid Iron Banner not based on light level, pointless light level outside prestige (with its own borked RNG), easing Eververse overload, offering more than sad rewards for lost sector, fixing faction rally by delivering substantial gear rather than more pallet swapped hats?

Not to sound sarcastic or trollish. Not sure if Bungie even acknowledges those things as issues and see them more as tools to enforce balance.

Edit: Blah, disregard that stuff... I see the new thread on the regular game forum now. Masterworks???

TsuWave said:

three of coins trivialized exotics

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That point of view was nonsensical in D1 and remains that way in D2.

TsuWave said:

from many of the complaints i read about D2 the lack of "chase", exotics included, was one of the issues, as in, there's no "gjallahorn!!!!!!!" moments

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Chase is always there.

I'm not sure how I feel about a guaranteed exotic you don't have from Xur. Especially since they're also bringing back three of coins. Kinda seems overkill... exotics should have some sort of chase to them.

Ruthless said:

Chase is always there.

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Do you honestly believe that if we're getting 3ofC back, no dupes, and a guaranteed exotic you don't have each week from Xur? You'll have everything in no time, there is no jigga moment like that after these changes.

Trakan said:

Do you honestly believe that if we're getting 3ofC back, no dupes, and a guaranteed exotic you don't have each week from Xur? You'll have everything in no time, there is no jigga moment like that after these changes.

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And that's a problem how? I want to play the game with the exotics, not grind each week hoping to get something and then not get it.

WTF are even these complaints?

Ruthless said:

And that's a problem how? I want to play the game with the exotics, not grind each week hoping to get something and then not get it.

WTF are even these complaints?

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Different strokes I guess. The thrill of the chase. Why not just log into the game at launch and have everything already in your inventory?

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That point of view was nonsensical in D1 and remains that way in D2.



Chase is always there.

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dismissive take. and when its more than just a few people saying that you can't just gloss over it.

3 of coins inherently made getting exotics a whole lot easier. this game does a much better job at dropping exotic engrams than its predecessor.

"the chase is always there". they just said in this very same update they are taking measures against repeat exotic drops. plus you have guaranteed new exotic from xur. 3oC is just overdose really. those exotic collections will be completed and record time and complaints will ensue.

i think some of the changes are steps in the right that direction, but ultimately we'll end up at the same point where we are, sooner than later. I guess the good thing is they said they are going to keep expanding on these changes

Trakan said:

Different strokes I guess. The thrill of the chase. Why not just log into the game at launch and have everything already in your inventory?

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exactly

Ruthless said:

And that's a problem how? I want to play the game with the exotics, not grind each week hoping to get something and then not get it.

WTF are even these complaints?

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The chase is half the fun imo. Just look at all the Gjallarhorn reaction videos on YouTube. You just don't get that when exotics are handed out like candy.

Edit: I now see there's an Orpheus Rig reaction video right above me, but that's an extreme rarity nowadays. Exotics as a whole are given out much more generously in most people's cases, resulting in lack of "whoa holy shit!!" reactions when they drop.

be a looter shooter where the supposed most coveted gear is handed to you brehs

Milk said:

The chase is half the fun imo. Just look at all the Gjallarhorn reaction videos on YouTube. You just don't get that when exotics are handed out like candy.

Edit: I now see there's an Orpheus Rig reaction video right above me, but that's an extreme rarity nowadays. Exotics as a whole are given out much more generously in most people's cases, resulting in lack of "whoa holy shit!!" reactions when they drop.

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and along with that, you had tons of people missing out on Gally because it refused to drop for them, and a lot of people never got to experience it in the first place. that is stupid. especially with a gun as powerful as Gally where a lot of raid groups wouldn't take you if you didn't have it.

I wanna enjoy the game and what it has to offer, not grind for hours and hope to God the game let's me enjoy what it offers by letting RNG be nice for once.

Trakan said:

Why not just log into the game at launch and have everything already in your inventory?

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TsuWave said:

be a looter shooter where the supposed most coveted gear is handed to you brehs

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Hate to break it to you, but you're playing the wrong game. Destiny is neither Diablo, nor The Division.

If you want to get your grind fix, maybe look for another game. I hear Monster Hunter is coming out very soon.

TsuWave said:

be a looter shooter where the supposed most coveted gear is handed to you brehs

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I feel like destiny 2 wants to be the kind of game where you get your "set" of gear rather quick and are more focused on doing the activities with it to further fortify it. It's the second part they need to nail down.

That was really disappointing. I want more fun ways to play and to increase the power fantasy. More ways to collect different stuff is just meh. Where are the powerful weapons and abilities? Where are the difficult and fun activities? I want Regicide and Black Spindle like missions. There was no mention of anything new that is fun to do. It's just more acquiring stuff that is very not interesting.

Ruthless said:

Hate to break it to you, but you're playing the wrong game. Destiny is neither Diablo, nor The Division.

If you want to get your grind fix, maybe look for another game. I hear Monster Hunter is coming out very soon.

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Lmao what kind of elitism is this? Especially considering Destiny 1's first year was literally all about grinding. Grind the same stuff every week in hopes of getting that one exotic or legendary. And we loved it!

Even if Bungie doesn't want to make the entire game like that anymore, there should be SOME grind for the hardcore to chase.

Milk said:

Lmao what kind of elitism is this? Especially considering Destiny 1's first year was literally all about grinding. Grind the same stuff every week in hopes of getting that one exotic or legendary. And we loved it!

Even if Bungie doesn't want to make the entire game like that anymore, there should be SOME grind for the hardcore to chase.

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I seem to remember Destiny 1 falling apart because of the amount of grind, and people didn't start coming back until they made it less so in HoW.

also I don't see how what he said is elitism, but going "exotics should take forever to get, fuck the casuals who want them too" isn't elitism.

should we just remove Xur from the game since he allows casuals to get 4 exotics for a relatively low price, and it trivializes exotics?

Ruthless said:

Hate to break it to you, but you're playing the wrong game. Destiny is neither Diablo, nor The Division.

If you want to get your grind fix, maybe look for another game. I hear Monster Hunter is coming out very soon.

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yeah...i clearly don't have a clue what type of game destiny is

Ruthless said:

Hate to break it to you, but you're playing the wrong game. Destiny is neither Diablo, nor The Division.

If you want to get your grind fix, maybe look for another game. I hear Monster Hunter is coming out very soon.

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I'm so confused by this post... did you not play destiny 1?

optimus8936 said:

I seem to remember Destiny 1 falling apart because of the amount of grind, and people didn't start coming back until they made it less so in HoW.

also I don't see how what he said is elitism, but going "exotics should take forever to get, fuck the casuals who want them too" isn't elitism.

should we just remove Xur from the game since he allows casuals to get 4 exotics for a relatively low price, and it trivializes exotics?

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You really don't see "this game isn't for you, leave" as elitism? Alright then.

And no, I don't see Xur as a problem. A once a week exotic vendor is exciting. He worked perfectly in vanilla D1 in fact, to help offset the extreme rarity of exotics. Plus, he's been there since the start. There's a difference between a special once a week vendor and exotics dropping from activities like candy.

optimus8936 said:

I seem to remember Destiny 1 falling apart because of the amount of grind, and people didn't start coming back until they made it less so in HoW.

also I don't see how what he said is elitism, but going "exotics should take forever to get, fuck the casuals who want them too" isn't elitism.

should we just remove Xur from the game since he allows casuals to get 4 exotics for a relatively low price, and it trivializes exotics?

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this is so disingenuous. D2 is not a D1 type situation. This game has a much more frequent exotic engrams drop rate, plus they are taking measures against repeat exotic drops

now there's a guaranteed new exotic from xur engram and 3oC

why are we acting like people saying this might be overkill is "fuck the casuals who want them too" or "yeah let's remove xur from the game"?

nevermind that the whole ugly duckling thing because you don't have X item has already been somewhat mitigated by the implementation of clans and how its encouraged for them to be aggressively recruiting and active

so if exotics are already dropping like crazy, who cares if they give more options to get them?

seems so odd to get worked up over more people getting cool shit

Dringus said:

I'm so confused by this post... did you not play destiny 1?

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Ruthless has been one of the most hardcore Destiny players in this community for a long time, and he's one of the few people currently crazy enough to do 3 reset prestige raids every week.

I agree the chase is what makes it fun. I think they already sort of hand people exotics, I agree it seems to be overkill adding 3oC and xur giving even more exotics. If everyone has everything in a matter of 2 or 3 weeks then we're back where we started.

We will see but the other updates are a little more exciting to me

I think a good compromise is to have exotics be really rare like they were in D1 at launch, but put the dupe protection in. That way they're still meaningful and exciting, but you can't get screwed over and over.

They'd also have to make exotics good again for that to happen, but that's another discussion.

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Ruthless has been one of the most hardcore Destiny players in this community for a long time, and he's one of the few people currently crazy enough to do 3 reset prestige raids every week.

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Interesting, just seemed like an odd thing to say considering back in the early d1 days we (fans) said the exact same thing to those that didn't like the grind and stuff.

Holy crap I cannot believe people are questioning ruthless ever playing D1 haha.

Yeah I understand the moment of chase, but why it has to be exotics? Some exotics are essential to gameplay and missing them significantly degrades fun of playing.
Why cannot the chase be other things? Like prestige or trials armor. These sets takes effort and makes you more outstanding isnt it????

Ruthless said:

Hate to break it to you, but you're playing the wrong game. Destiny is neither Diablo, nor The Division.

If you want to get your grind fix, maybe look for another game. I hear Monster Hunter is coming out very soon.

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Not sure how this can be said when Destiny was built on the premise of grinding

Ruthless said:

Hate to break it to you, but you're playing the wrong game. Destiny is neither Diablo, nor The Division.

If you want to get your grind fix, maybe look for another game. I hear Monster Hunter is coming out very soon.

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wat

sxiebonjour said:

Holy crap I cannot believe people are questioning ruthless ever playing D1 haha.

Yeah I understand the moment of chase, but why it has to be exotics? Some exotics are essential to gameplay and missing them significantly degrades fun of playing.
Why cannot the chase be other things? Like prestige or trials armor. These sets takes effort and makes you more outstanding isnt it????

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See I just find this sentiment to be the biggest issue, it's like gone are the days where someone maybe has to go without for awhile in a game. That's the beauty of games where you grind for your gear because it's a special moment when you finally get that special piece.

Sure when others have it and you don't, that sucks. I went a long ass time without my Ghally and when I finally got it they nerfed it, but that's how the cookie crumbled... I understand that sort of stuff going into a grind style game as I have been doing it since the days of diablo, Everquest etc...

The chase is what makes a grind special, it just does. But you said what I believe Is such a common mentality that it's like grind games can't even be grind games anymore.

I dunno, i don't get why everyone wants it handed to them so easily... I think working for it just makes it more fun

All I'll say is Zombie apocalypse was my favorite D1 weapon even over Ghorn. They can make legendary an awesome loot chase as well. Also destiny is most certainly a grinder.