Nin and turmoil are related to me. When nin flips town im considering turmoil.
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Nin and turmoil are related to me. When nin flips town im considering turmoil.
How do you go from scum not having an IR to none at all in the game?? #Ninja
does it work the other way round?
Why are these two on opposing sides?
The town worst case with a town aligned sleepwalker is it visiting someone NKd or some other suspicious night visit and a town MD seeing it. If the town MD comes out to get them lynched, scum discovers the MD and also knows that keeping the sleepwalker alive is a valuable asset.
It is so catastrophic to town I believe there must be a scum role it is capable of deceiving too. A scum vanilla cop or tracker, probably.
We presumably have a doctor due to the no kill night, they had a roleblocker.
We probably have a watcher or tracker due to the Ninja.
Now, why add the SW to the setup if it only adds potential negative scenarios to town.
So our MD can get movement at night from whoever makes the NK(when it isnt the Ninja kill), the doctor, the sleepwalker, and the roleblocker, that's all?
I believe there are more chances of no IRs in the game at all than scum not having a investigate role, and who has a best alibi than Chugger to move wherever he wants?
Yeah, I find it suspicious few people were willing to follow the Alexem wagon on D3, that makes me lean scum on alexem over dcpat. Although it could be because Stu was sucking all the oxygen in the room on his Faddy charge and with Faddy and LP MIA most of the day they just didn't care to do anything.
"Nin...No. Don't. It's ttk. Why are you talking this much nonsense noooooo nin
What are you doing?"
I don't understand this line of thinking. A sleepwalker is no more "so catastrophic" to town than any other PR that moves to a target. The gossip (if it exists) would also trigger a motion detector. The only real difference is that the SW doesn't actually do anything else.
What? Few people? But Alexem wasnt the only option? He was even the option that had the most votes on him besides Faddy? Sophiahad three, stu had three on him early d3. How is Alex the one not taking off? Zbeat had 2.
I disagree. And Stu did a great job obviously.
I don't know how relevant it is to look at previous game designs as meta - barely at all, I imagine - but as I recall, there was a 'fake' PR in the original Brexit Mafia. You may remember that Hecht was a miller in that game. However, due to the way that the alignment investigator worked - a player sent out a flag to a target, which was returned if they were town and not if they weren't - there was no way to actually get a false red check against him. I wonder if the same sort of thing's at play here? Chuggernaut could be a sleepwalker with no motion detector, tracker or otherwise to actually see him do anything - the intent of the role could just be to see if he claims, then let it cause dissent amongst town.
Again, this is entirely hypothetical - it's just an idea that I've been mulling lately.
Again, this is entirely hypothetical - it's just an idea that I've been mulling lately.
I still don't think lynching nin today is a good idea. Lynching one of the other two is a better call. If one of them filps town, then we should absolutely go for nin, but right now I feel like he's going to turn into the scum wagon
Even though we got a lot of scum in a row it feels that i did not contribute in those lynches.
My reads are so far off its insane. Will have to read through some in the morning.
Seriously the only one i would put my money on as of now is turmoil7, dcpad and z-beat.
Because nobody else who's still in the game has claimed a role other than ordinary town. There aren't exactly any others to consider at the moment. Oh, there've been suggestions of chat-givers and motion detectors, but nobody's claimed them, so who else could be red herrings?
DCPat:
Day 4: No vote when LP was up for lynch. Townreads Turmoil. Says top 2 scum are Nin and LP. Says that there is a good case for LP, but wants to wait for a response from LP. He says this when LP had 3 votes, so LP wasn't doomed yet. Could be a scum trying to play for time to see if a train starts elsewhere. He's been saying he townreads Turmoil for a few days, so he can't vote there to save his hypothetical scumbudy.
Day 3: Early Alexem vote, before Faddy was too threatened. Mentions that Alexem is only player town reading him, which DCPat finds suspicious. Had previously said that Alexem goes after quiet people and has empty posts. Defends Faddy. Slight suspicions on Gir and Nin.
Day 2: Mid vote on Kalor for similar reasons as his Day 3 on Alexem: going after people not around, wishy washy. Starts off answering Protect Gorlak, Investigate Chuggernaut, Kill Stuart, but later in the day changes his mind about Chuggernaut and Stuart.
Day 1: Final voter on ET. No push before this vote. Mentions that he doesn't see scum CS pulling the stunt he did.
Bad record. DCPat looks like a good lynch IMO.
Next I want to do Z-Beat
Day 4: No vote when LP was up for lynch. Townreads Turmoil. Says top 2 scum are Nin and LP. Says that there is a good case for LP, but wants to wait for a response from LP. He says this when LP had 3 votes, so LP wasn't doomed yet. Could be a scum trying to play for time to see if a train starts elsewhere. He's been saying he townreads Turmoil for a few days, so he can't vote there to save his hypothetical scumbudy.
Day 3: Early Alexem vote, before Faddy was too threatened. Mentions that Alexem is only player town reading him, which DCPat finds suspicious. Had previously said that Alexem goes after quiet people and has empty posts. Defends Faddy. Slight suspicions on Gir and Nin.
Day 2: Mid vote on Kalor for similar reasons as his Day 3 on Alexem: going after people not around, wishy washy. Starts off answering Protect Gorlak, Investigate Chuggernaut, Kill Stuart, but later in the day changes his mind about Chuggernaut and Stuart.
Day 1: Final voter on ET. No push before this vote. Mentions that he doesn't see scum CS pulling the stunt he did.
Bad record. DCPat looks like a good lynch IMO.
Next I want to do Z-Beat
I'm turning in for the night now, so I'll just mention again that I'll be away at a wedding tomorrow. I may get some time to catch up at the hotel in the afternoon - aside from that, I don't think I'll have enough time to check in before EoD (unless I get back earlier than expected, in which I'll do my best). That said, I'm happy with my vote as it is, so I'll be leaving it there for tonight.
I'm going to format this one differently.
Z-Beat:
Z-Beat:
- Day 1: Questions ET, Melon, but mostly Stuart initially. Nin pressures Z-Beat for inactivity. Was spooked by potentially getting killed by CS's Day 1 gambit claim. Votes CS only after Nin promises to take CS's bullet. Then this interesting post happens:
I didn't really see anything to indicate Z-Beat was annoyed. He seemed to believe CS and was actively worrying about dying from the ability. - Day 2: Continues to get pushed by Nin. Suspicious of Zeke after chat reveal. Also still "annoyed" with CS. Throws some shade my way. Suspicious of Sophia, but suspicious of her voters too. Doesn't really explain why. Later likes Sophia, and questions Gorlak and votes him.
- Day 3: Tries to say LP is town because why would scum Sophia ask to be replaced. Posts about this a lot. Suspicious of Nin, Gir, and Stuart. Claim's his vote on Gorlak yesterday was for pressure? Says a Faddy flip would give info but holds off voting. Votes Faddy after he is already likely to be lynched. Unvotes to avoid the hammer on Faddy.
- Day 4: Has the oddly worded post about backing down on LP. Claims evidence against LP is bad but doesn't want a tie. Then votes LP without much explanation.
Your lack of an answer is duly noted, but since everyone else town reads you I guess I have to as well.
Part of my case against Turmoil yesterday was that he said he wanted to lynch between Alexem and Faddy, but switched off of Alexem to LP. I still find that a bit strange, however Turmoil's vote of LP made the total at that time Faddy 3 - LP 3 - Alexem 2. We don't know that Alexem is town, but I think he probably is. I don't see scum Turmoil helping put 2 scum buddies in the lead.
I won't be able to do a deep dive right now, but to look at two more players:
Malus has been very quiet, but has had middle votes on both Faddy and LP, which I view as less likely to be bussing. BDubs also had a middle vote on ET. I have a town lean on Malus for now.
Melonrabbit voted for Coolest over ET, and picked a fight with Zeke instead of voting between LP and Turmoil yesterday. Was a late voter on Faddy, so not much credit for that. She's present, but I can't really recall her making many good scum cases. Also a good lynch IMO.
Malus has been very quiet, but has had middle votes on both Faddy and LP, which I view as less likely to be bussing. BDubs also had a middle vote on ET. I have a town lean on Malus for now.
Melonrabbit voted for Coolest over ET, and picked a fight with Zeke instead of voting between LP and Turmoil yesterday. Was a late voter on Faddy, so not much credit for that. She's present, but I can't really recall her making many good scum cases. Also a good lynch IMO.
Town:
CoolestSpot/Swamped
Chuggernaut
Town Lean:
Zeke
Gorlak
Malus
Alexem
Neutral:
Nin
Gir
Turmoil
Absolutbro
Lean Scum:
DCPat
Z-Beat
Melonrabbit
I feel like I need to look more into Nin and Absolutbro, but neutral for now
Vote: DCPat
CoolestSpot/Swamped
Chuggernaut
Town Lean:
Zeke
Gorlak
Malus
Alexem
Neutral:
Nin
Gir
Turmoil
Absolutbro
Lean Scum:
DCPat
Z-Beat
Melonrabbit
I feel like I need to look more into Nin and Absolutbro, but neutral for now
Vote: DCPat
Here's how I feel about everyone at this point.
DC or Turmoil should be the lynch today. If DC flips town, then it would go idea to look into Z-Beat and nin while if Turmoil flips town, then I think nin looks the most likely. Either way they should be our next two lynches. If they both flip town I would start taking a closer look at Alexem also, but I would be surprised if that happens.
If we get to a point where we need to lynch someone that isn't those four, here's my list form most scummy to least scummy of the rest of the players.
1. AB
2. Malus
3. Zeke
4. Melon
5. gir
6. Gorlak
7. Swamped
8. Giant Panda
I would throw Alex in there in front of Swamped when Turmoil/DC flip though. I would rather not lynch anyone in that list.
DC or Turmoil should be the lynch today. If DC flips town, then it would go idea to look into Z-Beat and nin while if Turmoil flips town, then I think nin looks the most likely. Either way they should be our next two lynches. If they both flip town I would start taking a closer look at Alexem also, but I would be surprised if that happens.
If we get to a point where we need to lynch someone that isn't those four, here's my list form most scummy to least scummy of the rest of the players.
1. AB
2. Malus
3. Zeke
4. Melon
5. gir
6. Gorlak
7. Swamped
8. Giant Panda
I would throw Alex in there in front of Swamped when Turmoil/DC flip though. I would rather not lynch anyone in that list.
Nin is up there for me, but of the people on that vote, I only really trust Gorlak so need to think.
I think Gorlak was just on that to see what would happen if we had another wagon. I see what he's doing, but I don't think scum is going to fall for it at this point. Don't believe their lies. Vote DC/turmoil
Ahhh what an amazing place to be, subbing in for someone who's actually townread for once!
Oh that's interesting. That means he made LP a viable lynch. He helped make the lynch scum vs scum.
I will read that bit, and if I think it's ok I'll unvote him. Tomorrow morning.
Oh that's interesting. That means he made LP a viable lynch. He helped make the lynch scum vs scum.
I will read that bit, and if I think it's ok I'll unvote him. Tomorrow morning.
Turmoil's whole stance on there must be a investigator role to balance the sleepwalker role has definitely felt off to me. The game was listed with unusual mechanics so having a red herring of a role doesn't seem unlikely.
I said the evidence against LP was damning, as in it was a bad look for LP, not that it was poor evidence.
Good morning!
Okay town, since it's probably my last day I'll go and do some digging, summarize the current reads given, throw some questions around. Maybe we can figure this out. GP's observation about turmoil for one is interesting. Let's get some work done
Okay town, since it's probably my last day I'll go and do some digging, summarize the current reads given, throw some questions around. Maybe we can figure this out. GP's observation about turmoil for one is interesting. Let's get some work done
Numbers: D5 with 2v12, D6 2v10, D7 2v8, D8 2v6, D9 2v4
If there is an additional death, we still end up at 5 mislynches before we are done.
I think we should let turmoil off the hook for today. Melon and DCPat might be our scum team. With the possibility of a low coaster (AB, malus) or Chugger fakeclaimed. I think these are the candidates.
If there is an additional death, we still end up at 5 mislynches before we are done.
I think we should let turmoil off the hook for today. Melon and DCPat might be our scum team. With the possibility of a low coaster (AB, malus) or Chugger fakeclaimed. I think these are the candidates.
So you said to nin you wouldn't flip him before me and Zeke.
Now you are telling me you want to lynch nin and I'm your townread.