What gets my goat is the "I'm a dude but this doesn't bother me" posts. Lucky I'm not a mod because I'd be handing out warnings left and right.
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REgals [Women of Era] |OT| Episode I: The Female Menace
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"I was just sharing my opinion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I didn't say anything offensive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I didn't imply that my opinion is the right one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't need to meaningfully contribute. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ No, really, I don't even care about this discussion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I totally support women. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I just think they're wrong about this. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Oh, so women are the only ones allowed to have an opinion? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Sexist. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Whatever, you're clearly not interested in debate, I'm out. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
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Mm. I didn't really want to have to come out of lurking, but uh, sorry, I'm not a guy :P
Anyways, without dragging too much of that here, I just wanted to say I hope you had a better day, heels are totally cute when done tastefully in the case of that character even if there's a criminal lack of wedges in character designs, I dislike the lewd as much as you (more like hated at first but time has induced desensitization), but I'm also super super happy to see female characters in pants and flat heeled boots and not just the usual female character design tropes of skirts, leggings, thigh highs, high heels, boob windows, thigh windows, what have you, which is why I made that comment about why I didn't understand why the presence of female characters dressed in non traditionally feminine clothing would be necessarily a bad thing, even if I also loved that previous designs were feminine without being lewd and it would be nice if that had been maintained. It seems there was some misunderstanding because I don't feel like our positions should really be too different but I hope that clarifies my thoughts on that. Sorry for rambling!
*goes back to lurking*
Just got back to the states from Europe. Feels like I've been sleeping randomly lol
I just need to cut down on the caffeine and exercise during the day to rectify my issue regarding sleep.
I sleep 4-5 hrs in summer/spring and 5-6 winter/fall.
My bf envies my ability to fall asleep practically on command.
That said I'm a super light sleeper and I get regular sleep paralysis and also do some crazy lucid dreaming.
My bf envies my ability to fall asleep practically on command.
That said I'm a super light sleeper and I get regular sleep paralysis and also do some crazy lucid dreaming.
Men of Reddit, what inappropriate question about women have you always wanted to ask?
There's some really funny shit in here. This one especially:
Omg. I never knew that, but I guess it makes sense. The responses absolutely slayed me.
There's some really funny shit in here. This one especially:
throwaway801780 said:
magnitude-of-light said:
Omg. I never knew that, but I guess it makes sense. The responses absolutely slayed me.
Firstly, my apologies for assuming your gender.
Two things regarding the subject at hand:
1. I was very taken aback by your suggestion that heels are lewd. Can you explain this? Feminity is not lewd.
2. The point I was trying to make was that the game seems to have no happy medium in regards to its representation of females. Either they are full-on lewd, or they are androgynous to the point that it's difficult to discern gender. My criticism is that there is definitely a wide middle option for depicting women that the game does not even attempt. It's particularly jarring considering they did a good job in previous games of the series making the women look clearly like women, but without egregious T&A. In my opinion, the way they depict women is piss poor compared to the previous games in the series.
Nobody has problems to tell the male and the female blades apart from one another but you up to now.
Maybe you shouldn't expect every female character to present their cleavage or display half of their body naked and/or in combination with items such as (high) heels which have always served a sexualizing purpose then you would be able to do so too?
Your examples in said thread were ridiculous. Meliaand Sharla do display way more skin than necessary and to actually say this is good female character design because of emphasizing breasts, long legs and high heels (I do wonder how you climb mountains with high heels, really, because that's what they are doing) is ... really, it doesnt make sense.
Oh for the rest of our audience the characters in question are:
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I checked your posts in that thread and I just want to say, I agree with you. I think Linkura misunderstood your points. It happens, don't worry.
Linkura I don't think alvis is saying heels are lewd; but they are a needlessly gendered way to show "hey look this character is FEMALE and kinda hot/cute", even when the character wearing heels doesn't make sense for the context (same as boobplate etc.). But, I think what you are trying to say (correct me if I'm wrong), is that you'd like to see more feminine designs that aren't thrashy and sexualized, instead of replacing sexualized women with androgynous designs?
I don't know if that's really an issue at all. A few characters might be androgynous, but non-sexualized women can and do look very feminine, like Aloy, Emily, Titania, etc.
Heels have always served a sexualizing purpose....?
Even a quick Google search says they were originally worn by men, but ooooook.
Otherwise, it just seems like no one is understanding my point at all, so I'll just stop with this post. I didn't mention Sharla at all in any of my posts because she does show a lot of skin. When I mentioned Melia, I forgot she has a window in her top, I will admit.
But anyway, I am exhausting myself trying to explain myself, so I am just going to stop. Looking forward to actually playing the game tomorrow.
Even a quick Google search says they were originally worn by men, but ooooook.
Otherwise, it just seems like no one is understanding my point at all, so I'll just stop with this post. I didn't mention Sharla at all in any of my posts because she does show a lot of skin. When I mentioned Melia, I forgot she has a window in her top, I will admit.
But anyway, I am exhausting myself trying to explain myself, so I am just going to stop. Looking forward to actually playing the game tomorrow.
Yes, we agree there...? Fuck high heels :D
I'm still not sure what you meant to say. Apologies if I misrepresented your point, it was not intentional.
Apologies for the double post as I am on mobile.
Morrigan, you have perfectly summarized the point I was trying to make with your last two paragraphs. Thank you. You're a real gem. I was writing my last post when you posted yours, so that one wasn't in response to you. But since you clearly articulated my point, I am very appreciative that we can put this to rest.
Oooof. I mean nice stylized feminine designs we could definitely use more of. But I personally don't subscribe to a way of dressing and stuff that is necessarily considered "feminine." I don't consider myself androgynous either. It's pretty obvious even though I never wear heels, dresses, or makeup. I could also easily tell those characters were female, with the exception of the one in more armor.
I guess what I'm saying is I take a bit of offense to the idea that a character should possess some typical feminine elements that I don't even apply to myself. I just get frustrated by what we're told we should wear to be more ladylike and this in a small way feels like that.
I guess what I'm saying is I take a bit of offense to the idea that a character should possess some typical feminine elements that I don't even apply to myself. I just get frustrated by what we're told we should wear to be more ladylike and this in a small way feels like that.
I agree too.
That said I can see what Linkura is getting at. I certainly don't want to "force femininity", but having some feminine designs that aren't thrashy can certainly look really cool and elegant and I can respect her desire for wanting such designs even if I am not a fan myself.
Linkura, what do you think of Lady Maria from Bloodborne? To me that's a perfect balance of femininity, badassness, and classiness.
I always thought the valkyries in the Valkyrie Profile series looked really nice sans the goddamn breast plate.
Right, we need more variety in good female designs overall.
I feel as though I have nothing of value to contribute to the sexism discussions. I have stopped trying to reach people with reasonable argument. I don't have the energy or inclination to do it any longer.
I have accepted that the gaming community at large is hostile to women and has been since probably the late 1990s, if not longer. Speaking of my own personal experience, I never had a single negative experience, in person or online, until the early 2000s. Video games, dungeons and dragons, etc, used to be considered family activities. Many of the founding game designers were women, who have since been all but erased from history. Joyce Weisbecker, Carol Shaw, Roberta Williams, and the list goes on.
On a personal level, in the early 2000s I started noting a rising hostility towards me, both in physical spaces (shops and meetups) as well as online, simply for being a woman. And it isn't in just video games, it is the same in board game shops and comic book stores, any space where the "nerd male" is supreme.
As an example, my last visit to a board game store, the owner insisted I didn't know how to play L5R and attempted to persuade me to let him "teach me" in a very aggressive manner (while staring at my breasts in my lose fitting t-shirt), as obviously I, a woman, did not know how to play such a game. When I politely declined, he became hostile. This is not an isolated incident, nor it is contained to this one shop. This has pretty much been my standard interaction for over a decade now, which is why I almost always shop online. I could speak in detail of the comic shop employee who refused to sell me a graphic novel, or of the video game manager who insisted I was purchasing for my boyfriend, but most of us are familiar with the varying levels of everyday aggression towards women.
My choice has been to almost completely stop interacting with the community. I made an account here, but it's turned out to be just more of the same.
I have accepted that the gaming community at large is hostile to women and has been since probably the late 1990s, if not longer. Speaking of my own personal experience, I never had a single negative experience, in person or online, until the early 2000s. Video games, dungeons and dragons, etc, used to be considered family activities. Many of the founding game designers were women, who have since been all but erased from history. Joyce Weisbecker, Carol Shaw, Roberta Williams, and the list goes on.
On a personal level, in the early 2000s I started noting a rising hostility towards me, both in physical spaces (shops and meetups) as well as online, simply for being a woman. And it isn't in just video games, it is the same in board game shops and comic book stores, any space where the "nerd male" is supreme.
As an example, my last visit to a board game store, the owner insisted I didn't know how to play L5R and attempted to persuade me to let him "teach me" in a very aggressive manner (while staring at my breasts in my lose fitting t-shirt), as obviously I, a woman, did not know how to play such a game. When I politely declined, he became hostile. This is not an isolated incident, nor it is contained to this one shop. This has pretty much been my standard interaction for over a decade now, which is why I almost always shop online. I could speak in detail of the comic shop employee who refused to sell me a graphic novel, or of the video game manager who insisted I was purchasing for my boyfriend, but most of us are familiar with the varying levels of everyday aggression towards women.
My choice has been to almost completely stop interacting with the community. I made an account here, but it's turned out to be just more of the same.
PixelParty I'm so sorry you had to deal with this. You are a welcome voice here and we are glad to have you.
I find myself incredibly fortunate to have largely escaped this kind of experience IRL. It's crazy how I've somehow managed to avoid receiving this kind of blatant sexism in my personal life despite being in several male-dominated fields. I wonder if my location has anything to do with it, or if I just give off scary vibes that repel misogynistic assholes (I'm not being serious right now) or what. I keep hearing these stories from so many women and it depresses and infuriates me that y'all have to deal with this shit so often. *hugs*
I find myself incredibly fortunate to have largely escaped this kind of experience IRL. It's crazy how I've somehow managed to avoid receiving this kind of blatant sexism in my personal life despite being in several male-dominated fields. I wonder if my location has anything to do with it, or if I just give off scary vibes that repel misogynistic assholes (I'm not being serious right now) or what. I keep hearing these stories from so many women and it depresses and infuriates me that y'all have to deal with this shit so often. *hugs*
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I LOVE Lenneth's design. Great example. <3I always thought the valkyries in the Valkyrie Profile series looked really nice sans the goddamn breast plate.
PixelParty, I too have really grown tired of trying to reason with misogynists in sexism discussions. As you can see from the last page in this thread, it's even led to big misunderstandings on my part because at this point it's just all so exhausting that I'm immmediately on the defensive. Fortunately there's a lot of great women in this thread who are understanding and can commiserate.
Yeah, there are multiple threads today that are just...... I can't do it today.
Hello! Not too much, attended the funeral today for my uncle, was a really nice mass but my Godmother/Aunt (his wife) breaking down right as they were bringing the casket away at the end of the mass broke me after I was strong the entirety of it beforehand >_<
The Al Franken thread has suddenly turned into a giant cesspool. No way some people in there aren't baiting.
I'm so sorry to hear that :(
It's soooo bad. I can't go on Etcetera lately. My blood pressure shoots through the roof.
Was not aware of a community for ladies here. Just want to say I'm surprised at the push back in "those" threads. You'd think this community is more open minded. Sucks when that happens.
Also I'm disappointed there were no new announcements with prominent female leads in recent gaming events. At least this year was pretty good I guess.
Also I'm disappointed there were no new announcements with prominent female leads in recent gaming events. At least this year was pretty good I guess.
I've lost hours out of my day today pulling my hair out in that thread. I can't even reason with these people anymore because they will throw out the "oh, so you won't fall in line to support franken that means you aren't a real Democrat" line and I just go ballistic.
Supposedly reasonable people a-ok with saying "ok women, we are groping you and fondling you and forcing open mouth kisses on you all against your will, but at least we aren't forcibly penetrating you! A vote for D is a vote for women, hurrah!"
I saw that diversity thread. That first and last page has foul as fuck stuff in it. I expect there's the same in between. I didn't even bother.
:( That's too bad. The last few pages have been a lot better.
I watched it all already, posted my thoughts in the OT. It was all right, but didn't match the amazing pilot imo.
Linkura, honestly, I'm very disappointed in a lot of the designs in XBC2 for the women. Looking at the Japanese twitter account and seeing all of the female blades, I feel as if there's a lot of "waifu" pandering with the designs. I brought this up in a previous thread and the responses I got were basically "this is just Japanese culture, so that makes it okay." -.- Even if the old XB games weren't perfect with representing women, they at least had more diverse designs (Elma, Lyn, Irina, Melia, Sharla, and Fiona are all visually distinct). The few non sexualized women in XBC2 don't make up for the ubiquity of weirdly sexy blades to collect. I would be fine if the female lead at least had a good design, but..
Regarding the last few posts about talking about diversity in ERA, I def feel like it's harder here than the old place, as I've mentioned. I don't even go to topics surrounding diversity anymore because I'm tired of reading the same stuff. I wanted that, i'd be on reddit :/ I still love the general community of ERA though.
Regarding the last few posts about talking about diversity in ERA, I def feel like it's harder here than the old place, as I've mentioned. I don't even go to topics surrounding diversity anymore because I'm tired of reading the same stuff. I wanted that, i'd be on reddit :/ I still love the general community of ERA though.
QueenVulpix, sorry for your loss :(
Agree on XBC2, the women characters are all a bit much.
But...Xeno is one of my favourite series, so I'll get it (someday...when the switch isn't so obscenely priced), roll my eyes at it, avoid most of the exceptionally stupid looking blades and that will be that. :/
Agree on XBC2, the women characters are all a bit much.
But...Xeno is one of my favourite series, so I'll get it (someday...when the switch isn't so obscenely priced), roll my eyes at it, avoid most of the exceptionally stupid looking blades and that will be that. :/