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The fact that people are seriously considering something not happening in a movie spoilers just goes to show that spoilerphobia has turned into indefensible lunacy where people refuse to take any responsibility over their own desire to go into a movie blind, and instead expect the whole goddamn internet to bend over backwards for their sake.

Sequel sounds good. Haven't seen the movie yet but I'm definitely gonna with how well it reviewed, a total surprise to me. Hopefully Sony doesn't find some exciting new way to completely fuck it up now.
 

ZattMurdock

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The fact that people are seriously considering something not happening in a movie spoilers just goes to show that spoilerphobia has turned into indefensible lunacy where people refuse to take any responsibility over their own desire to go into a movie blind, and instead expect the whole goddamn internet to bend over backwards for their sake.

Sequel sounds good. Haven't seen the movie yet but I'm definitely gonna with how well it reviewed, a total surprise to me. Hopefully Sony doesn't find some exciting new way to completely fuck it up now.

There's a post on the first page claiming that Gwen dodged Miles advances during the film. If that happens in the film, then yes, the title of the thread is a spoiler imho. It isn't that bad for me because I know the source material, but others that would like to go spoiler free, it's only common sense to not spoil things in the title of threads, giving others an way out.
 

Seesaw15

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Can't believe they released this spoiler filled music video months before the movie came out!?
Its a budding romance between the main teenage leads in the film. Its a Spider-Man film there is always going to be romance. This is not a spoiler.
 

Woozies

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Again, the look sold that book. Venom did well at the box office, doesn't mean it was a good movie.

That first issue of Spider-Gwen was fine as far as one-off elseworlds books go. If we were talking about the 4th issue of her book with her talking to Ben and May about Peter, that was a great fucking issue. But the rest of the book wasn't anything spectacular on its own beyond the beautiful art.

Again, Silk was the better book. Atleast that first volume.
90% of the sales came after the book. That first issue didn't sell 1 million in its first month.

I ain't saying her outfit didn't have a massive effect. But to call it the sole factor is incredulous. It was a great one off that did so well it spun out into a book. Not a book I'd call ground breaking.

But fuck I wouldn't call silk a masterpiece either. But Silk also had a lower fucking bar given that she came off from being THE MOST HATED spider-person by a mile after Spider-verse.

Only spider-person who was that hated again after an event was Ben Reilly after Dead No More
 

Manmademan

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90% of the sales came after the book. That first issue didn't sell 1 million in its first month.

I ain't saying her outfit didn't have a massive effect. But to call it the sole factor is incredulous. It was a great one off that did so well it spun out into a book. Not a book I'd call ground breaking.

But fuck I wouldn't call silk a masterpiece either. But Silk also had a lower fucking bar given that she came off from being THE MOST HATED spider-person by a mile after Spider-verse.

Only spider-person who was that hated again after an event was Ben Reilly after Dead No More

I'd agree with this in general. Spider-Gwen was never a book I'd call stellar, but it IS one of the few books that is still an ongoing- vol. 1 was 5 issues and vol. 2 another 35 issues and she will continue as "ghost spider" after spider-geddon wraps up. The amount of solo books marvel is running that are anywhere near this amount of issues since 2015 is very, very low. Spider-Gwen has an audience, even if the book isn't thrilling for me personally.

Silk on the other hand never quite seemed to find it's audience. Vol.1 was about 7 issues, and the rebooted Vol. 2 about 19 issues before meeting cancellation. Not every character is suited to an ongoing, sure- marvel cancels them CONSTANTLY these days but it's rather telling that Cindy has been completely MIA since her book ended. Other than a quick panel where she's taken out of commission at the conclusion of Slott's run of ASM and a few Spider-Geddon cameos, I'm struggling to think of anywhere she's actually been used at all since 2016.

If the character is compelling or has potential Marvel will find ways to keep using them. For instance Gwenpool after cancellation was "rebooted" and incorporated into West Coast Avengers along with the Kate Bishop Hawkeye and Ms. America who also had recently cancelled titles that struggled to find footing. Amadeus Cho as "totally awesome hulk", Nadia Pym as Wasp II, and the Sam Alexander Nova continued to be used in Champions after their books ended. Even the Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider who had not one but TWO swiftly canceled and not-at-all-good books was retooled and incorporated into Avengers because someone at Marvel thinks he (and those other characters) have some potential even if they can't really carry a solo book.
 
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that's tame, if they were holding hands i'd say put it under a NSFW tag
 

Deleted member 46958

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How'd you guess? Dont knock perfectly rational fetishes man. But on the broader point, i like that comics are not staying in their lane in that area to hold onto a potentially close minded or bigoted audience

I'm not knocking it, but you're reaction to it is pushing my buttons for some reason. Probably because you feel it's remarkable when it shouldn't be.
 

Mona

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Oct 30, 2017
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Just got out of it, what a treat for the eyes, incredible stuff

A great movie aswell
 

Buttzerker

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I'm not knocking it, but you're reaction to it is pushing my buttons for some reason. Probably because you feel it's remarkable when it shouldn't be.


I mean, not jumping to his defense, but it IS remarkable. Shouldn't be, but it is. How often we see black leads get romances at all in film, let alone with non-black women?
 

Woozies

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I mean, not jumping to his defense, but it IS remarkable. Shouldn't be, but it is. How often we see black leads get romances at all in film, let alone with non-black women?
I'd actually say it's more common, at least with white women.

Mostly in series not created/directed primarily at black audiences.
 

Astral

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Oct 27, 2017
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What do we know about the people involved? I know Dos Santos directed a few Avatar episodes which I guess is cool. I'm not too confident this will even touch the first movie.
 

Seeya

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Oct 27, 2017
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I hope Sony learns the right lesson from this. More animated Spinoffs and Spiderverse films, and leave live action the fuck alone in Marvel Studios's hands.

... who am I kidding, they'll definitely learn the wrong lesson, and kill any and all talks to extend Tom Holland's contract in order to make their own live action films again.

Heck no. Venom was entertaining from start to finish.

Kraven has a solid premise
(Adapting Kravens Last Hunt from his perspective)

Decent director Rumoured (hit and miss to be fair but he was rumoured to be in talks for the MCU)
(Antoine Fuqua — Training Day, Equalizer)

You can also make a good Black Cat movie.

Superior Foes of Spider-Man is also ripe as a light action comedy. A rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead like focused story. purposefully adjacent to the action in almost a clerks like way about these loser super villains who have no idea what they're doing. Not even really all that evil, but a group of people who have made really bad life decisions with like no awareness.

I'd agree with this in general. Spider-Gwen was never a book I'd call stellar, but it IS one of the few books that is still an ongoing- vol. 1 was 5 issues and vol. 2 another 35 issues and she will continue as "ghost spider" after spider-geddon wraps up. The amount of solo books marvel is running that are anywhere near this amount of issues since 2015 is very, very low. Spider-Gwen has an audience, even if the book isn't thrilling for me personally.

Silk on the other hand never quite seemed to find it's audience. Vol.1 was about 7 issues, and the rebooted Vol. 2 about 19 issues before meeting cancellation. Not every character is suited to an ongoing, sure- marvel cancels them CONSTANTLY these days but it's rather telling that Cindy has been completely MIA since her book ended. Other than a quick panel where she's taken out of commission at the conclusion of Slott's run of ASM and a few Spider-Geddon cameos, I'm struggling to think of anywhere she's actually been used at all since 2016.

If the character is compelling or has potential Marvel will find ways to keep using them. For instance Gwenpool after cancellation was "rebooted" and incorporated into West Coast Avengers along with the Kate Bishop Hawkeye and Ms. America who also had recently cancelled titles that struggled to find footing. Amadeus Cho as "totally awesome hulk", Nadia Pym as Wasp II, and the Sam Alexander Nova continued to be used in Champions after their books ended. Even the Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider who had not one but TWO swiftly canceled and not-at-all-good books was retooled and incorporated into Avengers because someone at Marvel thinks he (and those other characters) have some potential even if they can't really carry a solo book.

I wonder if some of the economics of these lower selling series could be improved if Marvel goes digital with some for an a la cart sub, and then allows direct orders/manufacturing/shipping for the big fans. I feel like there's some sort of pseudo web comic model that could turn out moderately sustainable
 
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Pau

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No Anya?! >:(

Really glad this is getting a sequel though.
 

Zetta

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Heck no. Venom was entertaining from start to finish.

Kraven has a solid premise
(Adapting Kravens Last Hunt from his perspective)

Decent director Rumoured (hit and miss to be fair but he was rumoured to be in talks for the MCU)
(Antoine Fuqua — Training Day, Equalizer)

You can also make a good Black Cat movie.

Superior Foes of Spider-Man is also ripe.

I would love a Spider-Man movie with a Peter who has been in the game for over 10 years. Sony can then bring him in with Venom and what not.
 

Seeya

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I would love a Spider-Man movie with a Peter who has been in the game for over 10 years. Sony can then bring him in with Venom and what not.

I was always a little meh that Sony didn't brush off Spider-Man 3 and continue on to a more bronze age Riami Spider-Man. Married, experienced and adapting those stories. I wasn't in the mood for ASM reboot, and while going younger still with Homecoming had its potential, I feel like outside of his 10 minutes in Civil War, he hasn't clicked (for me). I grew up reading a married Peter Parker so that probably had an impact.

Joaquim Dos Santos!
His work on Avatar and Korra was fucking amazing. It will be cool to see what he can do with spidey.

Right?
 
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Sesha

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Spin-off to star Gwen, Cindy Moon and Jessica Drew"

I saw this coming but I'm still disappointed.
 

Cordy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sounds dope to me. This Miles/Gwen relationship is nice.
 
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Seeya

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I'm not knocking it, but you're reaction to it is pushing my buttons for some reason. Probably because you feel it's remarkable when it shouldn't be.

We very rarely get interracial couple in media though. I can't think of any long term ones in comics that weren't basically flings. I could be flat out wrong.

Isn't it fair for people to be excited by representation? I don't know if the person having a sexual component to it really undermines that. You can get going about something without that meaning that you don't also see it as valuable/good/interesting in non sexual ways. I guess I can understand a defensive reaction against the possibility of objectification tho.
 

Woozies

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We very rarely get interracial couple in media though. I can't think of any long term ones in comics that weren't basically flings. I could be flat out wrong.

Isn't it fair for people to be excited by representation? I don't know if the person having a sexual component to it really undermines that. You can get going about something without that meaning that you don't also see it as valuable/good/interesting in non sexual ways. I guess I can understand a defensive reaction against the possibility of objectification tho.

Cage and Jessica?
 

Thorn

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I'd rather SpiderHam, Noir, and Penni actually get some attention than some lame teenage relationship.

I got my fill of that from Amazing Spiderman 1-2.