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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Yeah even the best PCs can struggle with Native 4K, let alone at 8K resolution.
Just to double confirm, the LG OLED55B7V is a damn good gaming TV for 4koled and setting right? I am waiting for my TV wall bracket to arrive next week before buying this beauty. Already got my PS4 Pro good to go.
I don't need to. This thread doesn't go a page without unknowledgeable people spouting myths as facts. Google LED burn-in.
While I certainly agree that I don't think we'll see all but a few 8K sets shown at the show, I can already imagine the nightly news stories about CES next year:
"If you bought a fancy new 4K TV last Black Friday, I've got some bad news for you! TV manufacturers at this year's Consumer Electronics Show are already showing off the next generation of televisions, which they're calling 8K."
/smh
It is well known many 2017 OLEDs have MAJOR issues.
Are you seriously doubting RTINGs as my source when I have linked to actual data and tests and you just tell me to Google and provide no data?
Feel free to provide me with a link of equal testing from a source as confident and trusted.
Rtings also rate the OLEDs higher overall than any other TV and always choose them as their top pick (even when gaming is factored in). So it's all relative honestly. IR/BI indeed seems to be a problem for OLEDs, but I'm pretty sure the majority won't experience it.
Over 200 hours on my OLED C6 and still no burn in whatsoever. Knock on wood.
Define "major". There are a bunch of OLED owners in here who have no issues with our sets that I would describe as "major".
There's also the fact that OLED TVs have won just about every single major TV shootout this year, and are the highest-rated sets this year (and last) across respectable home theater/TV review outlets.
The best image quality available right now comes from OLED and, while a bit subjective, that's not particularly debatable.
I love that all of these debates end up talking about which TV is better and no real data about the burn in and IR. I'm gonna end it here if this is how debates are done here.
Same, I rarely see IR either.
Complete 180 from my Plasma which I babied to ensure there wasn't burn in, but would see IR constantly.
And yeah, LEDs can get burn in but it's so incredibly rare. No point in even bringing it up.
The TV will automatically default certain settings in HDR mode. I would still make sure that for your Netflix app, it is using either cinema pro or custom and that local dimming and x-tended dynamic range are set to high. The rest of the settings can be set as you do for SDR.
The only advantage to using a Shield is that the interface is faster (or the PC game streaming, if you use that). You are correct that it will always output 4k, so your TV is not doing the upscaling. I am in the same boat and I use the TV apps rather than the Shield.
I don't need to provide sources, I trust my own eyes and 20 months (now) experience of using an OLED day in and day out, watching material that people who don't even own a set, tell me I shouldn't be.
OLEDs are considered the best PQ on the market by pretty much every review site I've come across. Sure, they have drawbacks that were similar to plasmas back in the day like potential burn-in and IR but I've seen more owners here and online who said they haven't had issues. This is just from what I've read/watched and asking current owners I know of. It sucks having to be more careful with your use compared to LEDs but I would say it's worth it for the PQ and UI/functions.
Do you even bother reading the source you claim?
Major indeed. I've owned an OLED display for over a year, plasma before that, have not experienced any issues. You are also confusing image retention and burn-in.
Is it possible that image retention/burn-in is much less of an issue on last year's models than this years due to the QC problems LG is having? I'd be curious to know whether the panel lottery can affect how likely your TV is to exhibit IR/BI or not.
Strange. You're the one who brought up that many OLED had major burn-in issues. You used Rtings to show that OLED are more prone to burn in than LED. I don't think anybody deny that fact (I hope at least). What they say is that it's probably not that much of a widespread issue. Do you have stats about the percentage of people that'll get burn in ?
So you used Rtings to show something, and other people in response used the same Rtings to show you that even with those issues, they still rate OLED the best. That's all.
Yeah, OLED is the best PQ available right now imo.
I had a Sony 850D, then a Samsung KS8000, and now an LG B7A. The OLED blows everything else out of the water. 4 months in and ever single day I see something that makes me think "holy shit how can a TV look this good."
I use it as a PC monitor every day too.
I had a Sony 850D, then a Samsung KS8000, and now an LG B7A. The OLED blows everything else out of the water. 4 months in and ever single day I see something that makes me think "holy shit how can a TV look this good."
I use it as a PC monitor every day too.
Curious, is there a thread for x900e/x930e owners? I noticed their are threads for other tv owners like the TCL.
Pretty sure that it will run automatically after 4 hours of continuous use once the TV is turned off. However, you can activate it yourself if you so choose.
In my experience it's something you have to enable every time you want it to run after you turn your TV off. If you notice when you turn your TV on in the middle of this process, it'll pop up a message saying "Hey! You interrupted the pixel refresher process, asshole!". This doesn't happen if you just turn off the TV and then back on in a few minutes. Secondly, when the pixel refresher process is finished, a message will show up in the top right of your screen saying it's finished, and then a pixel-thin horizontal line will scan across the screen from top to bottom. Again, this doesn't happen if you just turn your TV off normally.
I don't have a horse in the 4K race yet, but this oled ir/burn-in talk is giving me flashbacks to the days of led/lcd vs plasma.
Edit: I've only owned plasma tv's. Have had mild ir, but no burn in on any of them.
Edit: I've only owned plasma tv's. Have had mild ir, but no burn in on any of them.
In the old land there was. Wouldn't mind one here... Mine is out for delivery lol
Oh ok, I'll run it tonight manually. Never saw any message pop up when I turned it back on.
So I've got a question that's always been bothering me regarding "calibrating" your TV using one of the various setup Blu-ray discs out there. If I throw one of these discs into a Blu-ray player, whether it be Disney WOW or Digital Video Essentials, the Blu-ray player operates at a limited black level setting. So doesn't this mean that any "calibrating" I do with these discs will only apply to any content I watch in that limited black level space? Won't I need a separate calibrating process for full black level content?
Thank you. It's really annoying reading armchair TV analysis from people who don't own a OLED set. When it comes from people here who own a set and have run into burn in, that's different. Everybody knows it CAN happen, but there's plenty of us here who don't baby the thing all day, and have had no issues.
It's plasma 2.0 all over.
This isn't going to appeal to anyone in here but I grabbed the TCL Roku S305 off of Amazon for $170 on Cyber Monday and it is literally the PERFECT office TV / monitor. Anyone that needs something similar - 1080P, great apps, decent enough picture, 3 HDMI - give it a look...they're practically giving them away.
Edit: I should note, the only "console" I have in my office is an SNES-Mini...
Edit: I should note, the only "console" I have in my office is an SNES-Mini...
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returning the 49" x720e and going with the 55" instead. I'm in love with the clarity of the screen itself. I just should have gone with 55" from the outset. Wasn't thinking. Fortunately the other shortcomings of this TV (besides poor HDR) I can live with, as I have a decent monitor speaker setup, and I can always get a smart device to make up for the lacklustre apps.
I've been reading that the Samsung MU63000 doesn't have a wide color gamut, and that such a deficiency makes stuff look washed out in darker scenes with HDR on.
Would it be wise to just keep HDR off, in that case? Or do I still benefit from turning HDR on, compared to regular SDR imagery?
Would it be wise to just keep HDR off, in that case? Or do I still benefit from turning HDR on, compared to regular SDR imagery?
Probably needs to be as this thread is pretty much OLED focused.
I actually think that is very likely. We had a guy showing bad IR on his PS4 in a video a few days back, and I fired up my own copy of the game to try and replicate it but couldn't. You also have the guy here (sorry I'm awful with names) who managed to burn-in the Netflix logo despite not watching enough Netflix to even do so under normal use. I'd say different sets have different tolerances. However, I can say with certainty that I can watch like 8 hours of a day's play in a cricket Test match, with the on-screen logos on throughout, and still not have a hint of burn-in. This is from someone who *did* manage to burn-in, the teflon-like Pioneer Kuro plasma back in the day, which should tell you just how much I abuse my sets.
As of now, RTings is one of the few sources which are reliable and trustworthy.
For the people scared of burn-in issues, I would recommend reading their articles (thoroughly).
Here's a somewhat summarisation, with bolded parts of information that may be important.
Image Retention on TVs
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/image-retention-burn-in
What is image retention or burn in:
Test:
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They're also doing a 20 hour 7 days a week burn-in test with OLED and LCD TVs. To test for permanent image retention (burn-in)
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20/7 Burn-In Test
OLED vs LCD VA vs LCD IPS
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
Test Setup:
Limitations of the test:
This test is presenting a extreme case, similar to how burn-in issues may appear in-store due to TVs displaying the same content the whole day.
They're now in Week 13 and the OLED tv exhibits permanent burn-in issues. People who watch news 20 hours a day, 7 times a week may be concerned with buying an OLED tv due to burn-in issues (static logos), but even then it may not be that bad.
Burn-in is a possibility (manufacture defect, bad panel or extreme use or dislike of oled panels) and it's a prominent fear with OLED TV's. Moreover, OLED TVs aren't the cheapest TV's to buy now, but they deliver the best IQ as of now. After buying an OLED TV, you'll find every type of content to be amazing.
If the chance of burn-in with OLED is putting you off, you should just stick to LED.
As for LAG with OLED TV, with some panels that may be a legitimate issue.
I also feel like the first post should add more information regarding burn-in and explain what burn-in is.
For the people scared of burn-in issues, I would recommend reading their articles (thoroughly).
Here's a somewhat summarisation, with bolded parts of information that may be important.
Image Retention on TVs
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/picture-quality/image-retention-burn-in
What is image retention or burn in:
Test:
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They're also doing a 20 hour 7 days a week burn-in test with OLED and LCD TVs. To test for permanent image retention (burn-in)
--
20/7 Burn-In Test
OLED vs LCD VA vs LCD IPS
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
Test Setup:
Limitations of the test:
This test is presenting a extreme case, similar to how burn-in issues may appear in-store due to TVs displaying the same content the whole day.
They're now in Week 13 and the OLED tv exhibits permanent burn-in issues. People who watch news 20 hours a day, 7 times a week may be concerned with buying an OLED tv due to burn-in issues (static logos), but even then it may not be that bad.
Burn-in is a possibility (manufacture defect, bad panel or extreme use or dislike of oled panels) and it's a prominent fear with OLED TV's. Moreover, OLED TVs aren't the cheapest TV's to buy now, but they deliver the best IQ as of now. After buying an OLED TV, you'll find every type of content to be amazing.
If the chance of burn-in with OLED is putting you off, you should just stick to LED.
As for LAG with OLED TV, with some panels that may be a legitimate issue.
I also feel like the first post should add more information regarding burn-in and explain what burn-in is.
I'm thinking about returning my oled c7 for a x930e, the black levels on the oled are insane which gives a really nice contrast but i am not impressed with the motion of this tv. When activating the dejudder trumotion setting it gets better but you get artifacts for in return. Also the panel lottery with these sets are way to high. My panel has a band of tint difference from left to right of around 10 cm wide. This is quite noticable in white content.
What to do what to do???
What to do what to do???
There's no getting around playing the panel lottery. You trade in vertical banding and tint variations with OLEDs for uneven backlights and clouding with the X930E. There's just no avoiding it with current sets unfortunately.
According to this source: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/140870-lg-oled-tv-2017-explored-wallpaper-g7-e7-c7-and-b7-compared
Not worth it. Save the £300.
EDIT: Looking further else, there may be a difference in sound: http://www.4ktvcomparison.com/lg-ol...led65b7a-vs-oled65c7p-oled55b7a-vs-oled55c7p/
If you don't use a external sound system, it may be better to invest the extra 300.
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I've had an E6 for 1.5 years and thousands of hours of mixed use on it. I didn't even have screen shift on and so far so good. I mean the key is not to abuse it and keep it on all day unless you're actually watching something. If I play games I don't have more than 2-3 hours at a time anyways with family commitments.
People who get bad banding out of the box I would exchange. But even mine was probably average when I got it and over time it gets better with more use and automatic screen pixel cleaning that it runs every 4 hours.
Just my two cents. I loved it enough I got a B7 for another room, of which th me uniformity was better out of the box than E6.
People who get bad banding out of the box I would exchange. But even mine was probably average when I got it and over time it gets better with more use and automatic screen pixel cleaning that it runs every 4 hours.
Just my two cents. I loved it enough I got a B7 for another room, of which th me uniformity was better out of the box than E6.
This is what has me holding out until next year, more than HDMI 2.1 or possible image retention issues.
Even considered a Sony or Panasonic OLED despite their apparently garbage OS's - at least they operate correctly.
Here's hoping 2018 sets are comparatively problem-free...
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