Technically next week isn't the end of the season, at least so far as what was shot. Episode 13 was shot but pushed back to season 2.
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The Orville |OT| Open this pickle jar for me.
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Technically next week isn't the end of the season, at least so far as what was shot. Episode 13 was shot but pushed back to season 2.
Yeah the dude just isn't that good unfortunately. Or he's just really stiff.
God I really missed The Orville
This show is like comfort food
I love this crew
Yaphit and Lamarr got more screen time
I too am not fully convinced in his ability to lead, when he was seen as the guy at Conn cracking stereotypical slang jokes
And no sooner after Crisis on Earth X, get to see Victor Garber again like I wanted
Kelly is a babe, but I hope they don't go the predictable route and get those two together at the end, and split apart next season
This show is like comfort food
I love this crew
Yaphit and Lamarr got more screen time
I too am not fully convinced in his ability to lead, when he was seen as the guy at Conn cracking stereotypical slang jokes
And no sooner after Crisis on Earth X, get to see Victor Garber again like I wanted
Kelly is a babe, but I hope they don't go the predictable route and get those two together at the end, and split apart next season
Yeah, but not too surprising. Besides Isaac's actor (who has a unique role), Lee has the least acting experience of the main cast. And it probably didn't help that this was the director's third outing.
That was deeply dull. I'm glad to see LeMarr getting more development but I don't find the actor engaging and it felt like the 2D storyline was really only there to service his character when it could have been a fascinating sci-fi concept on its own. A shame they barely did anything with it (pretty visuals aside). And from the very beginning, every scene with Mercer and Grayson bickering has been an utter black hole of interest. Occasionally with weaker episodes of this show, the jokes have made up for dramatic weaknesses but after three episodes of writers other than MacFarlane, he's back to his old tricks of making every gag seem out of place and forced.
Here's hoping the finale delivers.
Here's hoping the finale delivers.
This episode reminded me of a book I read in middle school, when a kid used alien tech to go two dimensional and reach around the door of a closed locker.
LaMarr is going to have wear a visor, even if just for a few seconds in a scene.
I'm impressed, MacFarlane had lone writing credits on this. He's so much better than the low brow stuff he became famous and wealthy for. Whatever works I guess. Glad he moved on.
LaMarr is going to have wear a visor, even if just for a few seconds in a scene.
I'm impressed, MacFarlane had lone writing credits on this. He's so much better than the low brow stuff he became famous and wealthy for. Whatever works I guess. Glad he moved on.
Likely. To correct the previous statement, 112 is the episode that has been held back. 113 is the episode we're getting next week.
I only caught the trailer, and can't believe they're nearing the season finale already. I liked what I watched and was curious to see where it would go from there on.
Looks like I've got some streaming to do after work tonight :-P Count me in.
Looks like I've got some streaming to do after work tonight :-P Count me in.
The first few episodes are not that great, if I'm being honest. But everything after that has been pretty solid.
Another good episode, shame they couldn't make contact with the 2D world, would have been interesting
There are some lame jokes, particularly in the pilot... but yeah, I've watched multiple interviews with this show's creators, they are going for a lot more serious sci-fi homage than you would think.
Good solid episode. The actual plot mechanics of the space situation were really just an excuse to do character building for the crew but it was handled well. The humour was on point in that episode as well.
The acting on the show is often a little wonky if I'm being generous but the intent and direction of the moment is more important sometimes than just pure execution.
The acting on the show is often a little wonky if I'm being generous but the intent and direction of the moment is more important sometimes than just pure execution.
The acting isn't any better or worse than what we normally get on Star Trek, so I don't even notice it really.
lol no way. I guess J Lee is a Family Guy actor and has no experience otherwise, so it's understandable.
It's not just him. Seth can be very hit and miss. Yaphit is a lot of miss. The show is often edited in a weird way also where they will hold on at the end of an awkward scene to try to emphasize it, but it often feels weird. A lot of the writing and acting often feels awkward.
It's always been noticeable to me. That being said, it doesn't stop my enjoyment of the show. It's not like everybody is consistently terrible. They are all giving their best effort. They are all still likeable. It's just some are better actors than others. Like the Doctor is a good actress. She has a lot of experience. It shows compared to others. But a good show is not just an actor's showcase. It's about a lot of little things making up a greater whole. It's why I enjoyed the recent episode for example. If your heart is in the right place with a show, it excuses alot.
I appreciate the attempt to give everyone their own episode, but you can tell who the veteran actors are.
For Yaphit, I assume it's just Norm Mcdonald in a Family Guy booth being recorded weeks before the episode is even shot, so I expect that to be bad. lol
The ensemble is pretty good though. I don't hate anyone in particular, and it doesn't feel like there's an A-tier and Z-tier of crew member like there was on Voyager, Enterprise and Discovery.
While they haven't given him a specific episode like they have with most characters, I do feel like I know him. And he has been secondary in a good number of episodes and gotten characterization that way. It also helps that he is generally the main character through which humour is funneled.
Last episode convinced me once and for all that the worst part of this show is Macfarlane's acting. I have a really hard time giving a damn about Captain Mercer, he always comes out as a whiny manchild who definitely does not deserve to be captain (and ironically this episode was exactly about him having doubts). One could argue that the writing doesn't help either, but I'm pretty sure that a more talented actor could portray someone with self-esteem issues a lot better than him, despite the script. As it is, he just doesn't feel like a plausible person of authority at all.
Apart from that, I am growing fond of Yaphit. I feel like he's the direct response to the common criticism that Star Trek has only humanoids. It makes a lot of sense for a civilization as diverse as the Federation (and therefore the Union as well) to have a bunch of really alien members, and would make even more sense to have them serve on starships where their vastly different physiques can make them a huge asset to the crew roster. I'm glad that we're starting to see him being used as more than just comic relief.
Apart from that, I am growing fond of Yaphit. I feel like he's the direct response to the common criticism that Star Trek has only humanoids. It makes a lot of sense for a civilization as diverse as the Federation (and therefore the Union as well) to have a bunch of really alien members, and would make even more sense to have them serve on starships where their vastly different physiques can make them a huge asset to the crew roster. I'm glad that we're starting to see him being used as more than just comic relief.
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Yeah there's something a bit off to me with Ed giving commands on the ship. When he's telling various people to do whatever, it just seems... off. Like he's simply reading it from a cue card.
I love the show a lot though, and can't wait for the finale and to see where we go next year - late next year. :(
I love the show a lot though, and can't wait for the finale and to see where we go next year - late next year. :(
So if
Isaac was on the planet and privy to all their technological advancements, which seem to include some beyond the Union's, such as transporters, would he consider it reverse cultural contamination if he gave his knowledge of such tech to the Union or at least his own people?
Didn't care for the episode. The idea is good. The execution was extremely poor as the main drivers of the episodes were the incompetence of the crew and a simplistic punch-out ending to make everything okay. With better writing and execution you could have a really good prime directive episode. As it stands this would be a sub-par prime directive trek episode.
I'm not the biggest fan in general of the relationship stuff between ed and kelly but this was probably the episode that handled it the best without either side suddenly becoming a petty love-sick teenager.
As far as the overall show, I enjoyed the first season of the Orville. It's a show I will continue to watch. I hope it improves. There is no doubt it is an entertaining show. And it could safely exist on what it is currently and be a fun show for however long it runs. My complaint is that it could be a really good show if the writing and execution improve in general and it finds its own voice. There were a number of episodes this season that were bold but I couldn't help but feel like the execution let down the premise. Tonight being a perfect example of that. It still feels like such a TNG clone that I think that's limiting. I understand the nostalgia and appeal of that but I think better writing can retain some of those elements and step out and be something more fresh. With things that just don't ape TNG episodes. I think their aspirations should be higher.
I think the show also needs an arc. I'm not saying it needs to become so serial that every episode leads into the next episode or anything. But it does kind of need seasonal directional as it continues. Arcs give the show someplace to go. Someplace to grow. And lessons to learn that actually effect things. A larger frame to the show could help define themselves as something other than just a funny TNG clone.
I think the humour improved as it went on. Early on it was super hit or miss. Mostly miss imo. But I think the jokes and humour style found a better rhythm. There are jokes that seem so perfect when they land. And some that seem so cringey. Part of that is the nature of comedy itself. But part of it is just being more strict about the selection process of what is a good joke that's appropriate to the tone they want to set.
I think the strongest piece of the show is the crew. This is the one thing they've probably done maybe better than any existing trek show has ever in a first season, I think everybody fits and everybody has a role and a distinct personality. And the democracy of the show to give everybody a piece of the pie is laudable. I hope they continue that. Despite whatever sketchy acting slips through, as long as the honest effort is put through to characterize, I'm cool with it.
Continue to focus on the characters. Beef up the quality and execution of the plot. Be more selective with the humour. Give me some arcs. That's my take on the first season of the Orville. For a first season though on a show that was initially beat up on by the critics, I think they did a good job. I was doubtful of Seth Macfarlane and the show originally. I was scared it was going to be family guy in space. It's better than that. It's better than the critics lashed on it about. And it has potential to get better. That's all good stuff. The best compliment I can give is that I'll miss it until Season 2. There is a little Orville hole in my viewing schedule so I'm excited for Season 2.
I'm not the biggest fan in general of the relationship stuff between ed and kelly but this was probably the episode that handled it the best without either side suddenly becoming a petty love-sick teenager.
As far as the overall show, I enjoyed the first season of the Orville. It's a show I will continue to watch. I hope it improves. There is no doubt it is an entertaining show. And it could safely exist on what it is currently and be a fun show for however long it runs. My complaint is that it could be a really good show if the writing and execution improve in general and it finds its own voice. There were a number of episodes this season that were bold but I couldn't help but feel like the execution let down the premise. Tonight being a perfect example of that. It still feels like such a TNG clone that I think that's limiting. I understand the nostalgia and appeal of that but I think better writing can retain some of those elements and step out and be something more fresh. With things that just don't ape TNG episodes. I think their aspirations should be higher.
I think the show also needs an arc. I'm not saying it needs to become so serial that every episode leads into the next episode or anything. But it does kind of need seasonal directional as it continues. Arcs give the show someplace to go. Someplace to grow. And lessons to learn that actually effect things. A larger frame to the show could help define themselves as something other than just a funny TNG clone.
I think the humour improved as it went on. Early on it was super hit or miss. Mostly miss imo. But I think the jokes and humour style found a better rhythm. There are jokes that seem so perfect when they land. And some that seem so cringey. Part of that is the nature of comedy itself. But part of it is just being more strict about the selection process of what is a good joke that's appropriate to the tone they want to set.
I think the strongest piece of the show is the crew. This is the one thing they've probably done maybe better than any existing trek show has ever in a first season, I think everybody fits and everybody has a role and a distinct personality. And the democracy of the show to give everybody a piece of the pie is laudable. I hope they continue that. Despite whatever sketchy acting slips through, as long as the honest effort is put through to characterize, I'm cool with it.
Continue to focus on the characters. Beef up the quality and execution of the plot. Be more selective with the humour. Give me some arcs. That's my take on the first season of the Orville. For a first season though on a show that was initially beat up on by the critics, I think they did a good job. I was doubtful of Seth Macfarlane and the show originally. I was scared it was going to be family guy in space. It's better than that. It's better than the critics lashed on it about. And it has potential to get better. That's all good stuff. The best compliment I can give is that I'll miss it until Season 2. There is a little Orville hole in my viewing schedule so I'm excited for Season 2.
Hahaha, this is that Voyager episode that Daniel Dae Kim guest starred on.
Combined with The Picard! lol
Combined with The Picard! lol
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Yeah, the timing on it was perfect. It was such a good gotcha joke. lol
Yeah, this was basically two (better) Star Trek episodes merged together, especially Voyager's excellent "Blink of an Eye." I really wish the show could come up with its own ideas, especially since it regularly botches the ones that it steals. It doesn't help that the plot is basically driven by contrivances and especially sloppy behavior by the crew. They basically go out of their way to be noticed by the planet's inhabitants and then, when they should have left well enough alone, they go back down to the surface anyway to try and make Grayson feel better. If I were the admiral, I would have put Mercer in jail. I did appreciate some of the later plot beats (aside from Isaac staying on the planet, again ripped straight out of Voyager when the Doctor did it) but the sledgehammer "we got out of the dark ages by renouncing organized religion" ending was overly simplistic. It's also a little disappointing that for a season finale, this felt just like a regular episode.
(That said, I give credit to the episode for giving me one huge laugh, when Mercer made fun of the admiral without realizing she was still on the line.)
(That said, I give credit to the episode for giving me one huge laugh, when Mercer made fun of the admiral without realizing she was still on the line.)
I totally agree, but I guess I also don't mind either because I'm so desperate for actual Star Trek content. lol
Yeah, even when I'm unhappy with it, there's still something comforting about the show. It's like being wrapped up in a very familiar, 90s blanket.
That was a great finale. Wouldn't have minded a longer episode so I could get a glimpse of Isaac's time on the planet, but it is what it is.
Really good season overall. Looking forward to the next. Good shit, Seth. Went from thinking I'd only watch the first episode or two to looking forward to it each week. Guess this also means I'd like the Star Trek shows.
Really good season overall. Looking forward to the next. Good shit, Seth. Went from thinking I'd only watch the first episode or two to looking forward to it each week. Guess this also means I'd like the Star Trek shows.
That was a great joke.
Overall, this episode was a good premise (of two other Trek episodes) that was slightly botched. But I didn't hate it.
That is not what I wanted for a finale ep... just gonna put that out there
Too familiar in concept to other Star Trek eps, nothing interesting or creative was done here
The relationship drama finally came to ahead and they did cliche thing of going their separate ways
This whole thing felt very anticlimactic
I loved the series overall but that was a weak...weak season finale
Too familiar in concept to other Star Trek eps, nothing interesting or creative was done here
The relationship drama finally came to ahead and they did cliche thing of going their separate ways
This whole thing felt very anticlimactic
I loved the series overall but that was a weak...weak season finale