SpecX

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That's a pretty stupid clause. If I buy something that's a physical thing, I should be able to do what I want with it. Drive it, sell it, destroy it, whatever.
Agreed, that's why you don't sign a agreement like this if you want that freedom. Otherwise abide by the terms or prepared to be sued for breaching the contract.
 

LewieP

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I don't think ford has a case here. Once it's his property, it's his property.

A contract is unlikely to hold up if it says that the manufacturer has any say in what you do with a car once it becomes your property. If they want this level of control over cars they manufacture, they should just lease them instead of selling them.
 
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Ferrari has been doing this for years, but Im not sure if they ever sued somebody for it. I think they just remove you from being eligible for any other future exclusive car.
 

Darth Pinche

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Maybe Cena sold it because he realized the rear of the car looks like a pig from Angry Birds?

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There are some exceptions obviously, but for the most part, if it's in the terms of the contract, it's legal.

I think this one would absolutely hold up in court.



And for the most part you're right. But you also don't enter into a contract to purchase most goods. And this contract explicitly prohibited Cena from reselling for 24 months, designating damages that could result from this breach.
I'm not arguing whether or not it's legal. I'm arguing whether or not it should be legal. Companies shouldn't be able to charge full price for something and then tell buyers they can't sell the thing they spent money on.
It's clearly a marketing thing. Ford is counting on people like Cena to use this car as a status symbol type thing, hence why after two years it won't matter and they can do what they want with it.
I would be more sympathetic towards Ford if they had given him the car for free. But it sounds like he paid full price for the car.
 
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Not sure what's funny. This isn't a Focus or Mustang class Ford, this is their fine crafted super car with a historical name attached to it.

Sucks for Cena, but he signed the contract and Ford was very clear on what their policy was with selling this. Curious to see if this holds up in court, but I'm sure Ford vetting this through their lawyers before they made this offer to those select customers.

Just because it's expensive doesn't mean there's quality in them. Ford is not known for their craftsmanship in luxury super cars. They're not known for their craftsmanship generally.
 
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It's not so black and white, I'm sure his lawyers will argue that the specific clause isn't legal.
I don't think ford has a case here. Once it's his property, it's his property.

A contract is unlikely to hold up if it says that the manufacturer has any say in what you do with a car once it becomes your property. If they want this level of control over cars they manufacture, they should just lease them instead of selling them.

This is absolutely legal and the contract will hold up. If Cena didn't want to play by these terms, he should have renegotiated or opted not to purchase.
 

ahoyhoy

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Shouldn't they have just leased it to the celebrities if they wanted to make sure they kept it for 2 years?
 

excelsiorlef

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Yup. This isn't just a normal sale, it's effectively a paid promotional advertisement implicit in the deal.

And

Cena took delivery of the car on September 23, 2017, yet Ford learned that he sold it on October 20, 2017—less than a month after he got it.

He fucking flipped it less than a month later... Sorry but at this point we're talking rich dude and rich company... He's the dick here. He applied, sod them on his ability to get the word out on their car and be good PR for their brand which is what got him invited to purchase and then flipped it less than a month after buying it well aware of what he had agreed to.
 

Seahawk64

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Are ppl really saying "$450,000 for Ford? lol"

I guess some of you really should just stick to gaming.
 

Parch

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Contractually obligated.

He can try and fight the contract in court but unless there's something legally wrong with the wording, he'll lose. Maybe he was just too stupid and didn't even bother to read the contract.
 

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Ford messed up. This won't hold up in court, see Ford V Cena 2017.


Source: IANAL

Contractually obligated.

He can try and fight the contract in court but unless there's something legally wrong with the wording, he'll lose. Maybe he was just too stupid and didn't even bother to read the contract.

A contract doesn't have to be worded wrong to be nullified.
 
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I'm not arguing whether or not it's legal. I'm arguing whether or not it should be legal. Companies shouldn't be able to charge full price for something and then tell buyers they can't sell the thing they spent money on.

Well, we've already seen these types of fights in a slightly different arena with software licenses. But the truth is that lots of different things can be contracted. If you're the buyer, you don't have to accept the terms of the contract. But if you do accept the terms, you can't act innocent.

It sounds here like Cena even acknowledged the wrongdoing, he just isn't willing to compensate Ford enough, at least in their eyes.
 

jett

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Seems John Cena is kind of an idiot. Guess he thought Ford wouldn't actually care or that they wouldn't take the great JOHN CENA to court.
 

GodofWine

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It would seem, to me, that suing John Cena would damage the brand more than John Cena selling a Ford GT. Like, the PR over this will not be on Fords side regardless of any actual facts.
 

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I don't know where people are getting the idea that Fords are junky cars, they have a pretty good lineup of quality cars and have for at least a decade. This isn't the 80s anymore, they aren't out there selling Fairmonts and Tempos.
 

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It would seem, to me, that suing John Cena would damage the brand more than John Cena selling a Ford GT. Like, the PR over this will not be on Fords side regardless of any actual facts.

The entire GT program is an overreach for the Ford brand, even with the heritage they're trying to sell. They're trying to act like Ferrari for no real reason.
 

SevKnight

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I don't blame him, why keep a $450k gas binger when you can just ditch it, wait a couple of years and save $200k by buying the much more superior Tesla Roadster?
 

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I don't know where people are getting the idea that Fords are junky cars, they have a pretty good lineup of quality cars and have for at least a decade. This isn't the 80s anymore, they aren't out there selling Fairmonts and Tempos.
Yeah, my 2013 focus is quite good actually. I just wish I could upgrade the stereo to the new Android auto variant.
 

excelsiorlef

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This is basically scalping... only with a contract that makes scalping extra not allowed.
 

chuseph14

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Cena completely in the wrong here.

Nobody forced him to buy this car and nobody forced him to sign the contract, yet he did both willingly.
 
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The entire GT program is an overreach for the Ford brand, even with the heritage they're trying to sell. They're trying to act like Ferrari for no real reason.

Tell that to Ford, every single one is sold already.

The company's decided to build just 500 cars (initially), which means not every run-of-the-mill multi-millionare can walk down to their nearest Ford lot and pick one up. Unlike the last GTs, which could be bought by any shmoe that walked into a Ford dealer, every unit of the new GT has already been spoken for. Demand was so high, that over 7000 people applied for the opportunity to buy the $450,000+ supercar.
 

Tackleberry

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I don't know where people are getting the idea that Fords are junky cars, they have a pretty good lineup of quality cars and have for at least a decade. This isn't the 80s anymore, they aren't out there selling Fairmonts and Tempos.

Top selling trucks for 40 years running.. and we don't get them used until they have 100k miles.
Even then, they still command a LOT of money.

Top selling brand as well (at least in the US). 1.8 Million sold at the end of September.
 

SpecX

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Just because it's expensive doesn't mean there's quality in them. Ford is not known for their craftsmanship in luxury super cars. They're not known for their craftsmanship generally.
Ford has definitely improved over the years and I highly doubt this car is rolling down the same assembly line as the F-150's or is being assembled by the same people. This car is also getting great praise and reviews in the auto world.
 

LewieP

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This is absolutely legal and the contract will hold up. If Cena didn't want to play by these terms, he should have renegotiated or opted not to purchase.
So if the contract said they could chop off his arms if he sold the car, that would stand up in court because it was in the contract?

Simply putting something in a contract does not mean it can't be disputed within the law.
 

chuseph14

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Why the fuck are such contracts allowed?!
Because the ones you don't agree with, you don't sign. Cena agreed to it.

The entire GT program is an overreach for the Ford brand, even with the heritage they're trying to sell. They're trying to act like Ferrari for no real reason.

It literally is an overreach and ARE acting like Ferrari. The original GT40 was designed specifically to beat Ferrari. This car was designed to be a European sports car through and through
 
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Because the ones you don't agree with, you don't sign. Cena agreed to it.



It literally is an overreach and ARE acting like Ferrari. The original GT40 was designed specifically to beat Ferrari. This car was designed to be a European sports car through and through
So was this one, Ford wanted to beat Ferrari at Le Mans in the same manner the original did.
 

rhn94

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I'm not arguing whether or not it's legal. I'm arguing whether or not it should be legal. Companies shouldn't be able to charge full price for something and then tell buyers they can't sell the thing they spent money on.

Then don't buy the car if you don't like their terms? We're talking about a luxury product, a super car; not an essential everyday commodity ..