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MrMette

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I didn't mean it that way. I meant it in the way since apparently EZA is ok with it and a lot of people here seem to be ok with it. Why would I feel compelled to put myself out there and make "drama" about it. It feels like I'm in the wrong that it's just a difference in opinion that I'm having such a strong stance against these things. And hey maybe I am maybe I should learn from Colin.
I don't think you should ever learn from Colin. Even if what some people are saying is true and he isn't actually a racist/sexist, he is a very bad communicator for sure and he should really look in the mirror as this type of stuff seems to have happened to him a couple of times already. I don't think anybody should learn from somebody like that.

Just believe what you believe in. It's not because I believe it is a difference in opinion that you should feel the same if your heart says it isn't.
I am glad I am in a community where people do fight against racism and sexism, I do feel some people react much stronger to it than I would do, but there is nothing wrong with that.
 

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Sorry I meant, why wouldn't these women stand up for women since he's sexist?
EDIT: How does multiquote work
Also how do things like this happen https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/...the-blame-for-sexual-harassment-a3703411.html ?

I don't think you should ever learn from Colin. Even if what some people are saying is true and he isn't actually a racist/sexist, he is a very bad communicator for sure and he should really look in the mirror as this type of stuff seems to have happened to him a couple of times already. I don't think anybody should learn from somebody like that.

Just believe what you believe in. It's not because I believe it is a difference in opinion that you should feel the same if your heart says it isn't.
I am glad I am in a community where people do fight against racism and sexism, I do feel some people react much stronger to it than I would do. There is nothing wrong with that.
This is something I reject strongly maybe I am very wrong on this but the one thing I don't think Colin is, is being stupid. So I do not give him the slack of being a "bad communicator" I fully believe he could be better if he wanted to be, I fully believe most of the problematic statements he makes are in full knowledge of the implications.
Even if he was a bad communicator people went to him with best of intentions to teach and all they got were double downs. I feel he deserves 0 slack on this by this point in time.
 

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he's literally spent over an hour talking about it. just because he didnt parrot exactly what you wanted him to say, you cant call that ignoring it or sweeping it under rug. you're being completely unreasonable and dramatic imo. maybe it would be good for you to take a step away for a bit and get some air.
I'm being unreasonable and dramatic? Says the guy who suggested we wouldn't be happy even if Jones killed Colin. Maybe you should take your own advice.

Has Jones even once addressed the numerous points made about Colin? No. Has he explained why that racist tweet wasn't, in fact racist? The misogynistic tweet wasn't misogynistic? The transphobic tweets weren't transphobic? The harassment wasn't actually harassment? No. He has at absolute most paid them lip service.
 

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I heard he has a girlfriend too. Checkmate haters!

is this an ironic post?

A lot of the more recent discussions around sexism are not focused on individuals, but rather institutions and the structural effects that sexism baked into laws, policies, and norms have on women. Nothing precludes women from contributing and perpetuating sexism in society (e.g. women who agree with men that their place is at home having kids, women voting for Trump despite admitting to sexual assault, etc.).

its in the more options after you have copied the quotes

Do you know there were black people and women who voted for Trump?

Ugh, am i doing this? Close tab.

I didn't mean it that way. I meant it in the way since apparently EZA is ok with it and a lot of people here seem to be ok with it. Why would I feel compelled to put myself out there and make "drama" about it. It feels like I'm in the wrong that it's just a difference in opinion that I'm having such a strong stance against these things. And hey maybe I am maybe I should learn from Colin.


I don't know. Why does Colin as a non sexist feel the need to make sexist jokes on the day of the womens march. Why does Colin as a non racist peddle rhetoric that make him sound like one. Why does Colin as a non transphobe tell transgender people for all he cares for they are free to identify as oak trees.
Again I'm still under the assumption that Colin is hella smart to know the effect of the things he's saying.

It could be that Colin has a bigger audience and they feel like they need to play nice if they want to make a living. This is the same dynamic that caused all those women who were sexually harassed/assaulted in their workplace from speaking out until now (not that Colin has done anything of that magnitude). Just saying that fear of your livelihood is a big factor when considering the dynamics of the situation.
OK, thanks for the input.
 

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so what are we going to do? just kill and throw away people we disagree with?

is it possible some of you guys will never be completely satisfied with whatever jones or allies do? like, jones could literally kill colin and i reckon some of you guys would be like "well... its a start. but what took him so long?"

maybe when you hold a position that doesn't involve the accusation that we want people harmed we can talk?
 

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Has Jones even once addressed the numerous points made about Colin? No. Has he explained why that racist tweet wasn't, in fact racist? The misogynistic tweet wasn't misogynistic? The transphobic tweets weren't transphobic? The harassment wasn't actually harassment? No. He has at absolute most paid them lip service.
What? Are you saying you want Jones to explain someone else's tweets?
OK, thanks for the input.
Lol why am I quoted in that post? haha
 

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I can't mutipost? I wasn't trolling. I wanted to really know what people thought about women appearing on his podcast. Was I suppose to individually respond to everyones feedback
EDIT I meant multiquote and respond to everyone.
 

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are you asserting that colin moriarty is a neo nazi or white supremacist?

but if you want to be honest now you'd admit that the first post was in response to someone wanting to disassociate toxic people from a community. the second was just a nonsense posit you decided to share.
 
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JayC3

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Ah thanks, good to know that people atleast reacted. But it's still really odd that Sony is given a pass like this. All of this gets me so confused. I want to learn the difference between right and wrong on issues that I can't entirely relate to because of who I am and where I've been born. Witcher 3 still gets called out racist and gross for not featuring POC in their Polish game filled with different white folklore, Sony shows up with a racist stereotype and hardly anyone asks an explanation or an apology.

I wonder if maybe Allies are also sometimes thinking like this, when they don't comment much or take a hard stance on social issues. As they don't really know or recognize everything problematic. As a nine white guys, they don't know either when the lines are crossed. Even when Huber was talking about the Last of Us trailer, he constantly used the word offended. Were people really offended by the trailer? I don't think the discussions online about the trailer revolved around offense.
Just wanted to say that it's awesome that you're willing to engage and learn. That's something that I'd hope that everyone would be willing to do. For what you wrote about, I think one big difference between Witcher 3 and that Japanese trailer is how big a reach each of those has. Like, Witcher 3 has sold millions and millions, and...I still have no idea what that Japanese trailer was selling. If it were for a huge PS exclusive, I think you'd definitely have seen a huge reaction.

With all these discussions though, I think it's difficult because sometimes, what gets posted is a critique that is on a more extreme end. Then we have huge thread of people reacting as if that is what most people who lean towards that position believe, when in reality they are more moderate on the issue. So with The Last of Us 2, I think Huber was being very careful with his wording. I'm sure there were people offended, but it's really hard to have a conversation when we don't know how many people that includes. I do think there is some merit in talking about TLoU2 possibly profiting off of violent imagery against women in that trailer, but I think it'd be more effective to talk about it across gaming media rather than singling TLoU2 out.
 

MrMette

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This is something I reject strongly maybe I am very wrong on this but the one thing I don't think Colin is, is being stupid. So I do not give him the slack of being a "bad communicator" I fully believe he could be better if he wanted to be, I fully believe most of the problematic statements he makes are in full knowledge of the implications.
Even if he was a bad communicator people went to him with best of intentions to teach and all they got were double downs. I feel he deserves 0 slack on this by this point in time.
That's certainly possible. Like I said before, you know him much better and longer than I do. I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but if he indeed means what he is saying and it is not clumsiness in how he tries to explain his ideas, he really is a bigger asshole than I thought he was after reading those statements. I am not sure I can come up with other good possible reasons why he would possibly type those idiotic things except for he is indeed a racist asshole.
 
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is it possible some of you guys will never be completely satisfied with whatever jones or allies do? like, jones could literally kill colin and i reckon some of you guys would be like "well... its a start. but what took him so long?"

It's sad how you dismiss other people's issues by engaging in hyperbole. Guess it speaks volumes about how confident you are about your actual argument.

Colin has literally tweeted nothing racist? Like come on

But there is? His tweet about Kate Steinle is racist as shit. Dude doesn't have to drop an n-bomb to be a racist.

Though I'm sure Colin supporters could probably do mental gymnastics to square that away as well.
 

Budi

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Just wanted to say that it's awesome that you're willing to engage and learn. That's something that I'd hope that everyone would be willing to do. For what you wrote about, I think one big difference between Witcher 3 and that Japanese trailer is how big a reach each of those has. Like, Witcher 3 has sold millions and millions, and...I still have no idea what that Japanese trailer was selling. If it were for a huge PS exclusive, I think you'd definitely have seen a huge reaction.

With all these discussions though, I think it's difficult because sometimes, what gets posted is a critique that is on a more extreme end. Then we have huge thread of people reacting as if that is what most people who lean towards that position believe, when in reality they are more moderate on the issue. So with The Last of Us 2, I think Huber was being very careful with his wording. I'm sure there were people offended, but it's really hard to have a conversation when we don't know how many people that includes. I do think there is some merit in talking about TLoU2 possibly profiting off of violent imagery against women in that trailer, but I think it'd be more effective to talk about it across gaming media rather than singling TLoU2 out.
Thanks. I could still go on about that trailer =D But I don't think it's for this thread. Only used it as a springboard noting that they don't necessarily even notice something that's questionable. And I wanted to imagine myself in the shoes of EZA, as that I can somewhat do. And I also agree that Huber was probably just playing it safe with the Last of Us discussion, I don't think that's wrong. But it also left me wondering.

And I've also been wondering how much they are willing or interested to discuss and call out something like female representation (or other similar issues) in games. Because they like a lot of stuff with let's say "problematic" content. They drew the line at Beach Splash atleast. There were some discussions regarding Persona, but it was quite shallow and it also felt bit handwaved away. Unless they adressed these things more in the spoilercast, I don't know. Like did they adress the portrayal of gay characters in the game at all? Which was really awful in few different ways. Should they offer so much praise to that game while ignoring the problematic aspects of it.

That's certainly possible. Like I said before, you know him much better and longer than I do. I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but if he indeed means what he is saying and it is not clumsiness in how he tries to explain his ideas, he really is a bigger asshole than I thought he was after reading those statements. I am not sure I can come up with other good possible reasons why he would possibly type those idiotic things except for he is indeed a racist asshole.
I've got my ass bitten by that before too. Used to defend a certain local politician and it took his endorsement of Trump for me to realize that he isn't deserving any bit of my respect. I saw everything he had wrote and said very differently after that, it just opened my eyes.
 
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I think it means that were the situation reversed, the injustice would be perceived as far greater.
 
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Cool. Would help if you stopped replying to me all together then.
Why? Do you just never want to communicate again? I didn't ignore your posts, and choose not to respond because I don't want to get banned because of condescending people like Colin and yourself. It doesn't mean I want to not engage in other conversations.
 

JayC3

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Guys, c'mon. Can we stop sniping at each other? Just to get it out there, Colin's tweet is problematic because the Steinle case has been used by Trump and the right wing as an inflammatory wedge against Latinos and to try to get the Wall built. By bringing up San Francisco "(and Oakland)" and the specter of rioting, he equates what happened to Steinle to what happened when minorities are murdered by police, even though what happened to Steinle was an isolated incident and police brutality is a systemic, national issue. It essentially trivializes the very valid grievances that minorities have, whereas there haven't been a rash of undocumented immigrants assaulting and murdering people left and right. It also misrepresents the case itself because the bullet ricocheted, which implies that it was manslaughter at best and not murder in "cold blood". Maybe it was just an accident, or maybe the the facts of the case simply did not support a conclusion of murder. Colin never seems to consider these options.

To bring this back to EZA, businesses drop sponsorship and stop working with problematic individuals all the time because eventually, by working or sponsoring them, your business/brand essentially becomes an endorser for that person/those views. People are reacting to the fact that Jones went on Colin's podcast, and then right after Colin posts this inflammatory tweet.
 
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Why? Do you just never want to communicate again? I didn't ignore your posts, and choose not to respond because I don't want to get banned because of condescending people like Colin and yourself. It doesn't mean I want to not engage in other conversations.

No, not particularly. You tried to defend Colin from being a racist and bailed when you couldn't. Now your trying to interject into another conversation, in which you won't actually say anything of value because you'll be afraid of getting banned.

So like let's just avoid that? My last reply to you on this.
 

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Guys, c'mon. Can we stop sniping at each other? Just to get it out there, Colin's tweet is problematic the Steinle case has been used by Trump and the right wing as an inflammatory wedge against Latinos and to try to get the Wall built. By bringing up San Francisco "(and Oakland)" and the specter of rioting, he equates what happened to Steinle to what happened when minorities are murdered by police, even though what happened to Steinle was an isolated incident and police brutality is a systemic, national issue. It essentially trivializes the very valid grievances that minorities have, whereas there haven't been a rash of undocumented immigrants assaulting and murdering people left and right. It also misrepresents the case itself because the bullet ricocheted, which implies that it was manslaughter at best and not murder in "cold blood".
Well said. Colin and his fans are always saying that resetera is out to get him and ignore the facts to maintain their bekoefst about him... Yet he does the EXACT same thing with these tweets and it becomes a circle jerk of of likes and retweets.

EDIT: I just remembered he as a topic is banned so I'm gonna stop posting about him, sorry for derailing.
 

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in which you won't actually say anything of value because you'll be afraid of getting banned.
You must be misjudging me as you haven't asked my opinion on his latest tweet and instead focused on our last exchange. I believe Colin's latest tweet is supposed to be a aimed at Antifa. I also think he is hurting the image of illegal immigrants by misrepresenting the case as she was proven not to be killed 'in cold blood'.
You tried to defend Colin from being a racist and bailed when you couldn't.
We weren't even talking about race. We were talking about trans issues.
 
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JayC3

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Excuse me for interrupting the drama but has Huber commented on which he prefers, Evil Within 1 or 2?
In one of the podcasts, Frametrap a few weeks ago I think, Huber mentioned that he loves Evil Within 2 at a level that he hasn't felt since The Last of Us. So I'm guessing Evil Within 2.
 

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This thread has gone far off topic. The EZA thread is not and never was supposed to be a place to discuss all things Colin. We made an exception to our positon on Colin in an effort to accomodate this thread and the results do not appear to have been good for anyone. With the guest appearance over, it's time to move on.
 

Napalm_Frank

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In one of the podcasts, Frametrap a few weeks ago I think, Huber mentioned that he loves Evil Within 2 at a level that he hasn't felt since The Last of Us. So I'm guessing Evil Within 2.
Back when he played Evil Within (2014) he said he hasn't loved a game this much in many years and since TLOU was a year before that, who knows lol.
 

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Where in my post did I say that violence is okay. I understand it can be taxing on you sometimes arguing against so many.
My statement was that you were using a certain position commonly used for people who like to argue for reprehensible people.
You could have also reported my post if you felt like that's what I was doing, but instead you passive-aggressively quoted my post as a rebuttal.
You could try putting forth more effort if you genuinely want a discourse, I would be willing to engage.
Love&Respect :)

Edit:Sorry just saw the mod post
 
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Nav

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That Arcade Fire reference and the luck stat bit were great this week. Also, thank you Kyle for clarifying that you don't endorse GAF. I remember thinking about that some weeks ago when it was cited.
 

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I'd rather they restart Tabletop Escapades as level 3 characters and retire their current ones with an epilogue. The game is already very confusing.

Also it'd be interesting to see them play at lower levels, and maybe they'll find grain again.
 

TheDarkKnight

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What are the chances we get a statement on this? Or is it just going to be ignored?

Because if it's the latter, I'm just going to drop Easy Allies content entirely. It took just a couple of days for Colin to put out another racist tweet. And I don't really feel I like watching stuff where love and respect is thrown around as an empty statement.
You're free to do whatever you want. But asking for EZA (Jones or anyone else from EZA) to release some official statement on some latest Colin tweet or else you quit consuming EZA content seems pretty strange to me. He's not part of EZA, EZA patreon money isn't going to Colin, he didn't appear on any EZA content, and his tweets were after whatever appearance Jones was on. I don't think one guest appearance signs Jones up to be his lifetime caretaker/spokesman. If Jones decided to come on Colin's podcast again then I feel that's opening the door again and feel free to send Jones a tweet about it, or CoJ post about it (if you are still a patron).

My wrapup of this whole ordeal is the the following. I stated a week ago I didn't want Jones to collaborate with Colin. I want nothing to do with Colin. I won't go seek out this latest tweet, and I won't listen to the podcast for that reason. And I'm sick of how much he's seeped into this thread. But that was a door that Jones opened and was fair game. But I also think there's limits to that as well. The podcast is shot, by all accounts from the summaries of people posting here Jones conducted and stayed essentially true to how he's behaved in the 1.5 years of EZA content. Anything beyond that to me isn't relevant.

You have a year and a half of EZA content with Jones and the rest of the crew where they have consistently shown a level of maturity, caring, respect to one another, to the fans and others. Why you would give Colin power over that is beyond me. He has absolutely no influence on how I view the EZA crew. Do they make missteps? Sure but I also see them always try and improve, learn from it, and try to do better next time. And there's countless examples I could bring up where that's been the case.

Anyways I do look forward when things will calm back down and we can get back to talking about EZA content in this EZA thread. I see a light at the end of the tunnel.

Edit: I see the mods weighed in during my long typing. So moving on.....
 

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I'd rather they restart Tabletop Escapades as level 3 characters and retire their current ones with an epilogue. The game is already very confusing.

Also it'd be interesting to see them play at lower levels, and maybe they'll find grain again.
Lol I'm barely on episode 26. The grain bit was so funny. Nothing so far comes close to Huber with his Law antics... punching that cell door was the best.
 

ShadyK54

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I'd rather they restart Tabletop Escapades as level 3 characters and retire their current ones with an epilogue. The game is already very confusing.

Also it'd be interesting to see them play at lower levels, and maybe they'll find grain again.

I'm always of too many minds about it. I want to see the characters continue, but then I want to see them come up with something new, etc. I hope by using 'seasons' they eventually try a new cast of characters.

Either way, I loved the campaign (the first season, actually) & can't wait to watch more. They've all done a great job with it.
 

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I'm hoping to jump back into Tabletop in the new year after missing half the first season. Its far too daunting to catch up now. Hoping to jump in clean
 

TheDarkKnight

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So I was perusing the patreon heavy hitter tiers:

11 podcast sponsors! A new record
3 Frametrap sponsors (I wonder if one of them moved up to the top tier as 10 used to be the cap
7 D&D patrons! (Our party is getting full!)

Good stuff
 
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You misunderstood me. I wasn't asking for a statement on the tweets but the general issue/controversy surrounding the appearance.

But I see the mod post. I respect it. The mods have given us more than enough lee way to talk about these issues, and I'm thankful for that.

With that, I'm out. I'll keep an eye out to see if any sort of statement comes. I joined EZA late last year but it was fun and it quickly became a part of my daily routine. Especially this community, back on the old forums and here now on Reset.

I'll see y'all around in the other threads. Peace.
 

TheDarkKnight

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You misunderstood me. I wasn't asking for a statement on the tweets but the general issue/controversy surrounding the appearance.

But I see the mod post. I respect it. The mods have given us more than enough lee way to talk about these issues, and I'm thankful for that.

With that, I'm out. I'll keep an eye out to see if any sort of statement comes. I joined EZA late last year but it was fun and it quickly became a part of my daily routine. Especially this community, back on the old forums and here now on Reset.

I'll see y'all around in the other threads. Peace.

Ah alright. Sorry I misunderstood what you meant. Hopefully down the line you'll return. Until then, See ya space cowboy....
 
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If Jones had just went on to the show as a one off thing, I think I would have had less of a problem with this. Then he can play naive and be done with it. However, the germ of this came from wanting to grow the Allies by partnering with others and asked for feedback about Colin and by extension his audience be a first step towards that. When clear examples were given on why he shouldn't, including Colin putting people on blast on Twitter, Jones ignored that and decided it was better to try to garner new fans than retain existing fans. I can't fault him for that too much in a vacuum, however, there are a lot of partnerships he could have made before Colin that would have had a far better impact with much less of the drama. Now he has to go out and say he respects people leaving for this decision. So now good members that were helping to dilute the community of toxic members are leaving or thinking of leaving in favor of attracting potentially more toxic members.

Edit: ah I see the mod post now. Sorry.
 

ShadyK54

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Ah alright. Sorry I misunderstood what you meant. Hopefully down the line you'll return. Until then, See ya space cowboy....

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