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Bradbury

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Oct 28, 2017
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I actually buy his argument of not wanting to feed into the negativity of something you feel you've moved on from. Especially when you feel you aren't that person anymore. Him apologizing again, and still deciding to step down as to not make the Oscars about his past mistakes, shows to me he isn't about just saving his own ass.

This happened to James Gunn as well. I personally will take him at his word. Celebrities are priviligied in ways we aren't, so I get people who decide not to forgive, they have every right to. But Kevin seems genuine to me, so I hope he keeps learning.
Execpt he only apologized after losing the oscars, even the oscars said if he had apologized right at the begin he would still host it. But he decided to keep his stance of I did not wrong until it bite him in the ass.
The "apologizing" he did before it´s in this thread and it´s totally not an apologize.
And now instead of taking the criticism and trying to do better he kept his stance of I grown up but have nothing to show his growth.
While Gunn took the criticism to heart, never tried to fight it and even took his firing without crying on the internet on in any talk shows.
 

ArtVandelay

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WELP

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Riiight, calling you out for shit that YOU said is an attack. It's definitely not your own fault.
And "end" you? You're worth at sleast 150 million dollars, nobody is gonna "end" you.

Also, fuck Ellen.
 

Deleted member 2085

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I wake up and see Ellen defend Kevin while Kevin thinks himself the victim.

And yet another discussion about James Gunn when both those situations have key differences.
 

Droidian

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Dec 28, 2017
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I don't care who hosts the Oscars but if Kevin Hart wants to and can, why not.
This can be an endless argument amongst us since we are not Kevin Hart and Ellen and the reps of the offended community. There was nothing to confront Kevin about besides that old tweet which he's already given his explanation and "apologies" about.
Like Ellen said, a lot of haters out there, pay em no mind.
 

TheKeipatzy

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I don't care who hosts the Oscars but if Kevin Hart wants to and can, why not.
This can be an endless argument amongst us since we are not Kevin Hart and Ellen and the reps of the offended community. There was nothing to confront Kevin about besides that old tweet which he's already given his explanation and "apologies" about.
Like Ellen said, a lot of haters out there, pay em no mind.
Nothing huh?

Just haters, hmm?

Why do people like you not want me to exist???
 

Deleted member 2085

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I don't care who hosts the Oscars but if Kevin Hart wants to and can, why not.
This can be an endless argument amongst us since we are not Kevin Hart and Ellen and the reps of the offended community. There was nothing to confront Kevin about besides that old tweet which he's already given his explanation and "apologies" about.
Like Ellen said, a lot of haters out there, pay em no mind.
This is a bad take all around.
 

Fantastical

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't care who hosts the Oscars but if Kevin Hart wants to and can, why not.
This can be an endless argument amongst us since we are not Kevin Hart and Ellen and the reps of the offended community. There was nothing to confront Kevin about besides that old tweet which he's already given his explanation and "apologies" about.
Like Ellen said, a lot of haters out there, pay em no mind.
Or you can actually like... try to listen to people?
 

Bradbury

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Oct 28, 2017
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I don't care who hosts the Oscars but if Kevin Hart wants to and can, why not.
This can be an endless argument amongst us since we are not Kevin Hart and Ellen and the reps of the offended community. There was nothing to confront Kevin about besides that old tweet which he's already given his explanation and "apologies" about.
Like Ellen said, a lot of haters out there, pay em no mind.
If you want to have a discussion in good faith try giving the video on the post before yours a watch, but let´s be real we both know you´re not here in good faith, right?
 

Wackamole

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Oct 27, 2017
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Most of what he says is spot on imo. I'm sure a lot of people don't want to listen to people like him (actual victims, but i have no idea who he is)) but he says stuff that sounds completely reasonable.

We do need to find another word for what is now an unspeakable collection of abstract letters. Nice as a Hashtag but horrible to squeeze out of your mouth.
 

Droidian

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If you want to have a discussion in good faith try giving the video on the post before yours a watch, but let´s be real we both know you´re not here in good faith, right?

First to Keipatzy, that was not my point at all. You can exist all you want.

To Bradbury, I came in because I had watched the entire interview on Ellen and then seen a news article on the disappointment being pointed toward Ellen herself because of it.
I just watched the tweet video you asked me to watch and his message is true all around.
I didn't come in bad faith, I came to give my own 2 cents on the matter.

P.s. I'm an individual so don't label me as people
 

Bradbury

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Oct 28, 2017
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First to Keipatzy, that was not my point at all. You can exist all you want.

To Bradbury, I came in because I had watched the entire interview on Ellen and then seen a news article on the disappointment being pointed toward Ellen herself because of it.
I just watched the tweet video you asked me to watch and his message is true all around.
I didn't come in bad faith, I came to give my own 2 cents on the matter.

P.s. I'm an individual so don't label me as people

I tend to be defensive about it because it´s usually trolls doing this stuff, so sorry if I sounded like an ass.
But yeah this videos is a perfect summary because people are still pissed off with him and now with Ellen.
It was a very easy way for him to do the right thing, but he was stubborn and doubled down in his non apology and people got pissed.
 

Butch

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Oct 27, 2017
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Ofcourse epeople can change. No one said otherwise so stop using absurd hyperbole to make your point.

There's no reasonable reason to think he's changed for any reason other than to save his own ass after doubling down just last month.

https://www.instagram.com/kevinhart4real/p/BrEFNFalWgw/?hl=en

People keep posting this instagram video saying he "doubled down", when all I see is he saying he grew up and isn't the same person as back then when he said those things. Please explain where he doubles down here lol
 

Tagesreste

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Oct 27, 2017
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Ellen pretending to speak on behalf of all gay men on this issue is insulting. What a stupid fucking move.
 

Siggy-P

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Mar 18, 2018
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People keep posting this instagram video saying he "doubled down", when all I see is he saying he grew up and isn't the same person as back then when he said those things. Please explain where he doubles down here lol

He spends the video more or less saying "Get over it, it was a long time ago, you're just spreading negativity and I don't care."

Also nice of you to put "lol" in your post so I know exactly what sort of attitude you have about the whole thing. Would have been a shame if you actually wanted to discuss the situation instead.
 

Fantastical

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People keep posting this instagram video saying he "doubled down", when all I see is he saying he grew up and isn't the same person as back then when he said those things. Please explain where he doubles down here lol
Again, he explicitly says that it is not an apology and that he's addressed this stuff in the past. He has not. Well, that's not fair. He blamed people for being too sensitive in the past.
 

Kenstar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Again, he explicitly says that it is not an apology and that he's addressed this stuff in the past. He has not. Well, that's not fair. He blamed people for being too sensitive in the past.
IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, dont worry about the specifics
and if you bring it up you are part of the SECRET MOVEMENT to END THE CAREER of a SUCCEESFULL BLACK MAN
UNDERSTAND: THIS is an ATTACK to END HIM
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I don't care who hosts the Oscars but if Kevin Hart wants to and can, why not.
This can be an endless argument amongst us since we are not Kevin Hart and Ellen and the reps of the offended community. There was nothing to confront Kevin about besides that old tweet which he's already given his explanation and "apologies" about.
Like Ellen said, a lot of haters out there, pay em no mind.
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Butch

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Again, he explicitly says that it is not an apology and that he's addressed this stuff in the past. He has not. Well, that's not fair. He blamed people for being too sensitive in the past.

I never said he is apologizing in that instagram video so I don't know why you are saying that or who you are replying to. I thought we already established the previous apology was nowhere to be found and doesn't exist.

He spends the video more or less saying "Get over it, it was a long time ago, you're just spreading negativity and I don't care."

Also nice of you to put "lol" in your post so I know exactly what sort of attitude you have about the whole thing. Would have been a shame if you actually wanted to discuss the situation instead.

Sorry but I just see the complete opposite of doubling down, he is specifically saying he isn't that man anymore. I thought it was funny how we see completely differently things in that video, it's not that I don't want to discuss it.

IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, dont worry about the specifics
and if you bring it up you are part of the SECRET MOVEMENT to END THE CAREER of a SUCCEESFULL BLACK MAN
UNDERSTAND: THIS is an ATTACK to END HIM

Just to clarify, that's dumb and I would never think something like that.
 

Znazzy

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Aug 27, 2018
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What next? We start judging individuals character by what they say, and how they act? Unbelievable.
So he stepped down from hosting the Oscars because he didnt want to take limelight away from the people that won, apologized via twitter and Instagram, explains himself on Ellen...what else do you expect the man to do? At what point is it enough in your eyes?
 

Alavard

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Oct 25, 2017
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So he stepped down from hosting the Oscars because he didnt want to take limelight away from the people that won, apologized via twitter and Instagram, explains himself on Ellen...what else do you expect the man to do? At what point is it enough in your eyes?

Less than a month ago he actively refused to apologize, now he all of a sudden he just says he's sorry and we're supposed to forgive him? We're supposed to believe he's just suddenly changed in the span of the last few weeks, after years of his bigoted attitudes? Fuck that. Actions have consequences. Becoming better takes time and commitment, and I've seen none of that from him.
 

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So he stepped down from hosting the Oscars because he didnt want to take limelight away from the people that won, apologized via twitter and Instagram, explains himself on Ellen...what else do you expect the man to do? At what point is it enough in your eyes?
What the fuck are you talking about? He still thinks he's the victim in all of this!
 

Orb

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So he stepped down from hosting the Oscars because he didnt want to take limelight away from the people that won, apologized via twitter and Instagram, explains himself on Ellen...what else do you expect the man to do? At what point is it enough in your eyes?
He literally stepped down from the Oscar gig because the Academy said he had to apologize if he wanted to keep it and he decided to take his ball and go home instead.

His posts were full of deflection and malice about how this is just an attack on his character and he's done enough already.

His ranting on Ellen is basically just saying he's a victim and supposedly pointing to all the times in his past that he's apologized that have somehow never actually materialized. Like he's claiming he addressed this in the press tour for his movie with Will Ferrell but he didn't.

Also, each person has to decide whether or not they want to "forgive" him. Ellen doesn't just get to do that for the rest of us.
 

Pekola

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Oct 27, 2017
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It seems interesting to me that Ellen, the same woman who was dragged through the coals by American audiences and even had her show cancelled, puts herself in this situation? And none of the answers I come up with feel charitable.



Ellen has no place speaking for black LGBTQ+ people. Because they're the ones affected by the kind of thinking Kevin Hart perpetuates.

When Kevin Hart refuses to speak out about the abuse LGBT blacks suffer, and how he contributed to that he validates all the straight blacks that will now continue to think being gay is "wrong" (just look at Twitter).

It's not Ellen who's going to get abused. It's that kid who's too afraid to come out because of the vile things his family/friends/community thinks about gay people. So why does she think she's in any position to forgive anything? Why the eagerness to forgive?

And that's the problem with what Kevin Hart said. It REINFORCES harmful ideas of what gay people are and tells the world "well, it's okay if you don't apologize for being a homophobe."

And it needs to change, the sooner the better. I am sick and tired of seeing all these LGBTQ people literally traumatized because they've been treated like crap within their own circles. It's not right. We are NOT doing right by them.
 
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Fantastical

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Oct 27, 2017
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I never said he is apologizing in that instagram video so I don't know why you are saying that or who you are replying to. I thought we already established the previous apology was nowhere to be found and doesn't exist.
But you're saying "Where's the doubling down?" Sure he says some stuff about how he's grown up, but he's again saying "I've already apologized, we've been through this, I've grown up" but he's missing the part where he hasn't apologized. He's living in a fantasy world where he addressed this already because it's easier than saying "Yeah I said some shitty stuff, then I said some other shitty stuff when I didn't apologize, and now I want to actually apologize."
 
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The LGBTQ+ community is very large and diverse. There's White, Asian, Latino, Black, interracial members as well.

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LGBTQIA+

Of all these, Ellen is W and L. Why she believes she can speak for

ALBI+
GBTQIA+

by herself is fairly presumptuous on her part.
 

Tbm24

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Ellen just letting Kevin Hart try and defend his ego and posture like his livelihood is at stake when he's a fucking millionaire and still slated for upcoming movies is pretty bullshit. Why bring him on in the first place? What's she trying to achieve with this?
 

ZeoVGM

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I dunno man Gunn's tweets where just as bad.

No, they factually were not. The situations are not at all similar.

- Gunn's tweets were an obvious attempt at being edgy. They were bad jokes and they failed at being funny but it's clear what the intent was.
- Hart's tweets were not "jokes." Calling someone a "fat fag" is not a joke, it's a homophobic attack.
- In his stand-up routine, Hart took his real opinion (not wanting his son to be gay) and used it as the basis to then make jokes. Gunn is not a pedophile but Hart is homophobic.

- Gunn had clearly and obviously changed as a person. His tweets were years old and for a long while now, we have seen him use his social media platform to speak up against Trump's white supremacy and for that, he was targeted by literal Nazis.
- Gunn had brought up his offensive tweets on his own in at least two old interviews, talking about how he had learned from his edgy past and about how he has changed -- which, again, we were able to see with our own eyes.
- While Hart's tweets and stand-up were also years old, he recently made it clear that he didn't think they were wrong.

Hart told Rolling Stone in 2015 that he wouldn't tell the joke again, "because when I said it, the times weren't as sensitive as they are now."

Not because he understands it was wrong but because "times are sensitive." And now after the tweets and stand-up were brought up again, he refused to apologize again, only to then "apologize" when the Academy gave him an ultimatum.

Not a single aspect of Hart's "apology" was sincere as he made it very clear, multiple times in the past couple years, that he didn't think he was in the wrong.

So please, let's stop with the "what about Gunn" nonsense.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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I haven't been keeping up with this

People found tweets of Kevin Hart being homophobic and asked for him to apologize.

Kevin Hart refuses to apologise and states that he has apologised multiple times before and he won't keep apologizing as he has already done it and says people grow and change.

He gets fired from hosting Oscars

And he then finally apologizes due to mob hate.


I'm in Kevin's side on this if he is telling the truth about having already apologizing on multiple occasions before. People have done mutiple bad things in their past they regret as long as they have apologized once and learnt from it and they stopped doing it it's fine that they don't want to have to bring it up again and apologize again.
 

Znazzy

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Less than a month ago he actively refused to apologize, now he all of a sudden he just says he's sorry and we're supposed to forgive him? We're supposed to believe he's just suddenly changed in the span of the last few weeks, after years of his bigoted attitudes? Fuck that. Actions have consequences. Becoming better takes time and commitment, and I've seen none of that from him.
Except that's not what happened. He apologized in the same tweet he made about stepping down, unless I'm mistaken? Just as he said in the interview with Ellen, he made horrible jokes in the past, and his actions up to this point have shown that he has grown as he stopped making jokes like that when people were originally (and rightfully) upset. I'm sorry, but I can't get behind this mob hate of digging up years old shit and acting like people and grown and learn from their mistakes.
 

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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This went about as expected.

Fuck Hart, and yeah, fuck Ellen. It's not her fucking place to forgive him, and it's pretty fucking clear he hasn't learned shit beyond his manager telling him to keep his mouth shut.
 

Volimar

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FWIW I thought Hart was fairly thoughtful, though he should have spent more time addressing the people affected by his words and far far far less time talking about how he was being attacked. I like Ellen, but I think the criticism that she doesn't have the same frame of reference as the people affected by Hart's words is fair. There is a very good conversation to be had here, but it shouldn't be based on the victimization of Kevin Hart.
 

faceless

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Looks like they're making Hart out to be the victim. Coooool.
he was a victim of a targeted attack by someone with an agenda. when this happened to James Gunn there was an amazing amount of defense. must be nice..
 

Bradbury

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Except that's not what happened. He apologized in the same tweet he made about stepping down, unless I'm mistaken? Just as he said in the interview with Ellen, he made horrible jokes in the past, and his actions up to this point have shown that he has grown as he stopped making jokes like that when people were originally (and rightfully) upset. I'm sorry, but I can't get behind this mob hate of digging up years old shit and acting like people and grown and learn from their mistakes.
Before stepping down the oscars gave him the chance of apologising and stay as the host. He denied saying he didn't do anything wrong
 

Ichi

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disappointed at Ellen for giving this misogynist and homophone a bigger platform to play the victim. fuck kevin hart. his thinking is so backwards it ain't even funny even when used as jokes in his set.
 

7threst

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This whole 'turning the other cheek and if you don't you're part of the problem'-thing that has been going on really starts to annoy me big time. It's the same with this boogie character. Like, talk about it? What the fuck do we need to talk about? For real?

I'm sorry but especially Ellen should know better right? This really gets me angry