I don't know how that works, but if it that is regarded as "proof" that he wrote it in a court of law than that's cool.
Michael Flynn charged with lying to the FBI (UPDATE: Prepared to testify against Trump Officials)
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I don't know how that works, but if it that is regarded as "proof" that he wrote it in a court of law than that's cool.
This strategy from Mueller raises a few questions though. Why would he agree to a light sentencing for Flynn in exchange for Kush testimony? Doesn't Mueller already have a shitton of evidence against Kush? Trying to establish backchannel? Failing to disclose contacts?
And what will it take to indict Don Jr? It seems that evidence is in front of us: secret Trump Tower meeting, emails, etc. I hope Mueller doesn't have to flip Kush or someone else for what looks like a slam dunk case. I say this because I want all of these fuckers to rot in jail for years, and I'm disappointed that Flynn got off so light.
And what will it take to indict Don Jr? It seems that evidence is in front of us: secret Trump Tower meeting, emails, etc. I hope Mueller doesn't have to flip Kush or someone else for what looks like a slam dunk case. I say this because I want all of these fuckers to rot in jail for years, and I'm disappointed that Flynn got off so light.
There is zero way a team like Mueller, et al., has agreed to a light term for Flynn in exchange for only Kushner stuff. Zero chance. He has to have direct incriminating evidence against the top guys.
In order for Trump to be charged, Republicans will have to be involved with removing him. That's not going to happen.
That said, what Mueller can do is touch everyone who's not the president. Kushner, Don Jr, any Trump that can be charged with state crimes for possible involvement. While Mueller may not be able to get Republicans to actually enforce justice, he can still flip almost everyone involved with Trump's campaign to have them outright tell everyone what happened. I don't see any Trump flipping though since they could actually be cut out of the old man's will. Not unless state charges put them at decade(s) in prison.
And of course, there's also the matter of state charges against Trump himself along with any federal charges if they aren't pardoned by the time he leaves the presidency where he won't be protected.
He is fucking stupid..
And yet he clearly doesn't know FBI is independent from the government as it should and yet he thinks he needs to influence them..good lord.
I think we should take any discussions about American civil war into another thread, it's completely off topic and has little meat to it from what I've seen.
Pretty sure that would be grounds for being disbarred. Dangerous game they're playing here.
Following the timeline of Trump's newest tweets and the email chain release, I get the sense that Trump honestly believes that it was not illegal for his team to be in contact with Kislyak last December discussing sanctions, so that Flynn needlessly got himself fired by lying about it.
Big picture here - why has Trump himself consistently lied about it if he actually believes it to be true? Why did every member of his campaign team who met with Kislyak lie about it? And shouldn't Flynn's admission bring additional scrutiny to other meetings with Kislyak last year, including his two meetings with Sessions in April and July? It's very obvious what Sergei's role was all of last year (and this year, in his private oval office meeting with Trump) - discussing official US and Russia policy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...704692-6e44-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html
In that story, Trump also lamented that Sessions gave "bad answers" with regards to his contacts with Russian officials, forcing his recusal. Now that Flynn has come clean, Mueller's team is probably searching for similar correspondence from Sessions.
Trump's denials only make sense as the tantrums of a compulsive liar. It has become cliche at this point, but their reaction to news as an admin has consistently been:
1) Straight up denial. "Fake news."
2) Partial admission. "Came clean. Nothingburger."
3) Full admission with caveats. "Yeah we did it, but it's not a big deal."
4) Deflection. "But Hillary."
The problem is that this actually works when dealing with the press, as a good chunk of the public is totally okay with the gaslighting and the Fox's of the world assure them that point 3 is a comfortable place to be. When dealing with the FBI, however, point 1 gets you jail time automatically, and they seem to have a hard time processing that for whatever reason.
Edit: just in time for the newest tweet, looks like his solution for the FBI not letting his team go through "the cycle" is to "fix" the FBI.
Pretty sure that would be grounds for being disbarred. Dangerous game they're playing here.
Following the timeline of Trump's newest tweets and the email chain release, I get the sense that Trump honestly believes that it was not illegal for his team to be in contact with Kislyak last December discussing sanctions, so that Flynn needlessly got himself fired by lying about it.
Big picture here - why has Trump himself consistently lied about it if he actually believes it to be true? Why did every member of his campaign team who met with Kislyak lie about it? And shouldn't Flynn's admission bring additional scrutiny to other meetings with Kislyak last year, including his two meetings with Sessions in April and July? It's very obvious what Sergei's role was all of last year (and this year, in his private oval office meeting with Trump) - discussing official US and Russia policy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...704692-6e44-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html
In that story, Trump also lamented that Sessions gave "bad answers" with regards to his contacts with Russian officials, forcing his recusal. Now that Flynn has come clean, Mueller's team is probably searching for similar correspondence from Sessions.
Trump's denials only make sense as the tantrums of a compulsive liar. It has become cliche at this point, but their reaction to news as an admin has consistently been:
1) Straight up denial. "Fake news."
2) Partial admission. "Came clean. Nothingburger."
3) Full admission with caveats. "Yeah we did it, but it's not a big deal."
4) Deflection. "But Hillary."
The problem is that this actually works when dealing with the press, as a good chunk of the public is totally okay with the gaslighting and the Fox's of the world assure them that point 3 is a comfortable place to be. When dealing with the FBI, however, point 1 gets you jail time automatically, and they seem to have a hard time processing that for whatever reason.
Edit: just in time for the newest tweet, looks like his solution for the FBI not letting his team go through "the cycle" is to "fix" the FBI.
No that's still going on, but technically it's Flynn flipping on Trump administration officials, not Trump himself (though it could very well lead up to Trump).
THIS happened, though. Trump tweeted, and the tweet would make it seem as if he knew about Flynn lying to the FBI back in January, which could mean obstruction. OR...Trump is just an idiot and casually threw the bit about the FBI in there without thinking.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...solutely-no-collusion/?utm_term=.7c7947565392
He already has flipped on the transition team.
He handed over an email string which essentially walks us through Putin's decision to not retaliate to Obama's sanctions last December. He received assurances, via a phonecall from Flynn to Sergei Kislyak, about Trump's directions for the two country's relationship.
Trump has tweeted a variety of things over the weekend (bashing Comey, ABC news, the FBI, Hillary, the usual) the biggest of which is a message that said he fired Flynn for lying to the FBI, which on the surface is a written admission of obstruction of justice. The WH, realizing what this was only after the fact, has since backpedaled, saying his lawyer wrote that specific tweet.
Ok thanks. Read a bit of the thread regarding the Brian Ross suspension and a few agents being kicked from the mueller case and figured shit was going down hill or something with the investigation.
He has already done that. Witnesses cannot be selective about which question they answer.
Thinking on it, isn't this still throwing the lawyer under the bus? It's essentially saying the lawyer is knowingly lying for their client....which I'm gonna guess is not okay for their profession. And if he wrote it while not lying, he'd have to have been directed by Trump anyway.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Scroll down, click 8 years, hover over W Bush. 24.4% at its lowest.
Trump's latest wheeze is to deny that he ever asked Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn. This would get him off the hook for obstruction of justice.
That isn't going to fly because Comey told several people in the Justice Department at the time.
Dude is still tweeting, lol. Obviously in an attempt to discredit the FBI as well as Mueller's investigation.
Is something else coming soon?
Is he attempting to set up the excuse for him to fire Mueller?
"Report: "ANTI-TRUMP FBI AGENT LED CLINTON EMAIL PROBE" Now it all starts to make sense!"
Is something else coming soon?
Is he attempting to set up the excuse for him to fire Mueller?
"Report: "ANTI-TRUMP FBI AGENT LED CLINTON EMAIL PROBE" Now it all starts to make sense!"
We need watch it closely because he wants to fire Mueller and FBI needs to be Independent.
That'll matter for a few days before the next big part of the investigation hits. And also is still much smaller than the news itself.
Not to mention he took detailed notes, which are likely part of the record and investigation at this point.
Sessions can't touch Mueller, Wray can't touch Mueller.
In order to fire Mueller he would need to get Rosenstein to flip to Team Collusion or literally gut DOJ until he found some low level drone willing to do Trumps bidding. Basically go Nixon or go home.
What I want to know is this.
If there is nothing there and everything they did was lawful, why did they lie for so long? Why is he being super defensive rather than just keep his mouth shut, stick to his agenda and wait for everything to conclude?
I'm starting to believe all of this is going to end up with either himself or members of his family tied up with Russian mobsters and money laundering.
Didn't he at one point say that Muellers will cross a red line if he starts looking into financials?
If there is nothing there and everything they did was lawful, why did they lie for so long? Why is he being super defensive rather than just keep his mouth shut, stick to his agenda and wait for everything to conclude?
I'm starting to believe all of this is going to end up with either himself or members of his family tied up with Russian mobsters and money laundering.
Didn't he at one point say that Muellers will cross a red line if he starts looking into financials?
My god he's posting more and more shit by the minute. He's in full meltdown this morning. Now saying people should sue Bill Ross because the dow dropped, even though what Bill ross said was after the market fell 300 points (that happened when flynn pleaded guilty).
I think he is saying to sue ABC.
All because stock market dropped a bit, yet he retweeted far right extremists in a clear cut example of anti-Muslim behavior, which fuels hatred and division and could easily result in violence.
Yep. Trump's biggest concern is optics. He knows he's compared to Nixon. And going full Nixon is not going to do well with optics. That said, he'll lose it as the investigation probes Kushner and people close to Trump.
I think only if Jr. gets arrested. He'll be pissed about Kushner and probably threaten but won't pull the trigger. Once Jr. goes though I think Trump will realize that it's over and turn to desperation.
I hope that when they eventually kick him out over this, every last change he made as POTUS is revoked.
Republicans say a lot of things. True test would be seeing what they would do if Trump went after Mueller and attempted to fire him.
So much concern. So much disappointment. But, we need to focus on fucking over the poor!
That's the easiest answer. They just say that that's a personal matter at the voting booth. Both sides are okay with that.
There was an old post linked on gaf months ago (it was a long read) detailing pretty much what has come out (Magnitsky Act, election sanctions) as why Russia would want to interfere with the election and how to get Trump to cooperate. I can't find it, but I remembered as I was reading it that it all fit into place perfectly. It seems to be right on the money, today. I can't find a link, so if anyone else can, please post the link.
That's been the MO since he became aware of the Dossier in December '16, which pinned down his exact crimes (financial corruption, blackmail, Rosneft sale etc). Have a credible war ready to roll if and when shit gets real.
We both wish it would be that easy, but we both know that answer wouldn't satisfy Trump or his deplorables. In fact, he'd probably take that answer as an admission that they didn't vote for him and start using that as fuel too.
If rest of GOP joins Trump and Sessions on this "Mueller team is extremely politically biased" whistling then there is real possibility that answer wont cut it.
He's taking the John Dean deal: plead to one crime in exchange for being a key witness for the investigation. Dean got four months in jail, all time deferred, for his cooperation with the Watergate investigation. Flynn likely will end up in a similar situation.
I wonder how long his lawyer's heart stops everytime he posts another tweet? Literally cannot help himself to save his life
And? Saying they voted for Trump would make them non-biased? If congress joins with Trump in wanting Mueller gone, it's pretty screwed anyway. Mueller was a Republican appointed by Bush and had his role extended by Obama. He was widely praised by both parties at appointment. If he's not considered nonpartisan enough, then nobody is.
This is more or less exactly what Trump was worried about as soon as he became aware of the Steele Dossier: that the Intelligence Community may actually be working towards proving Trump has been engaging in felonous financial behavior and -- as bad as that is -- not only that, by extension they may most likely prove he was blackmailed in some way by Russia, which is, of course, a whole other level of criminality.
I don't think Trump has hired lawyers when Flynn got fired.
I could be wrong.
I believe Trump's monetary connections to Russia are one of Mueller's major probes. Even if Republicans won't remove Trump, Mueller may be able to find Trump's monetary ties and conflicts of interest to Russia including potential laundering.
The world's best prosecutors (including Mueller himself) didn't leave their lucrative posts to join the Russia investigation just so they could take down some shitty white collar criminals like Manafort or Kushner. That's routine business for them. They joined so they could take down the president and blow the lid off the biggest international political scandal of all time. They want to enter the history books and cement their legacy. That's always been the end game here.
Congress won't have the option of protecting Trump anymore than a guy like Flynn does. Guys like McConnell and Ryan are also compromised and connected to Russian money. They will be compelled to flip.