Barring something big coming out of my reread/ISOs she is still my top scum read.So I'm guessing you would still push for a Saw lynch before anyone else at this point, correct?
With Fandorin being Town, it's certainly on my mind more now, but I'm also thinking the Malus flip is something we might need to get.
What were some of your major points against Saw here so far? Doesn't need to be the full thing, recap is fine. (feel free to link me to any posts you've already made too, I know you made a case against her while the rest of us were staring at the shiny Fandorin in the corner)
Anything change on your read of her either way following Bae's flip?
My main posts about it previously:
After looking over day end again a few players shift a bit in my thoughts, as plenty of people have discussed Brazil doesn't look great - not just for the push for Flux but also the general bloodthirsty nature such as when he wanted Zubz dead for dropping. Felt a bit opportunistic. Sorian's posts could go either way. In one sense it's good that he doesn't overtly defend turmoil, on the other hand it's Sorian who is always a hard read for me. I already town read Chuggs but his day end makes that feel really solid. No clue what rac was doing, his play all around has been bizarre and hard to get a grasp on. AB looks really good from his push for turmoil. Kyan is a mixed bag, I like the logical approach but he waits it out and holds his vote. Honestly if he had even just voted Flux I would have felt a bit better. Monkey seems scatterbrained and overwhelmed at day end which seems fine, but she doesn't really say much on matters until the vote so it doesn't really push my read on her any which way.
All that said, the person that stands out the most to me at day end is Saw:
Starts out wanting to see the argument unfold, that's fair since votes would lock in.
Early on Saw starts pushing Flux for more info and doesn't really ask as much of turmoil.
Sprinkles in some doubt around Flux but at the same time immediately gives an excuse to dismiss the doubt.
Asks turmoil a fairly innocuous question.
Again, pushing Flux as the preferred lynch.
Only now do we get Saw with a question that seems to be turning on Turmoil with 11 minutes left and piggybacking off of someone else's observations.
And then we finally get a vote for Turmoil three minutes later without really bothering to see his response (as it is not reflected in this post). Feels to me like Saw was pushing for a Flux lynch over turmoil pretty much the whole way and only reluctantly gives in and votes turmoil when she deems it a lost cause. I also find it interesting pushing for the chain lynch into Fandorin. Makes me think Saw and Fand as partners is unlikely.
So I'm guessing you would still push for a Saw lynch before anyone else at this point, correct?
With Fandorin being Town, it's certainly on my mind more now, but I'm also thinking the Malus flip is something we might need to get.
What were some of your major points against Saw here so far? Doesn't need to be the full thing, recap is fine. (feel free to link me to any posts you've already made too, I know you made a case against her while the rest of us were staring at the shiny Fandorin in the corner)
Anything change on your read of her either way following Bae's flip?
Saw jumping out at my for day end reminded me of an exchange she had with Fireblend that I thought deserved some more attention too:
Here Fire mentions a theory that a few of us had discussed previously that people that voted Stan with little reasoning while appearing in Brazil's kill list might be suspect.
Here we get a very strong reaction from Saw right out of the gate trying to discredit the idea.
Then Saw responds reducing Fire's point by saying that it's invalid because he previously was scumreading Brazil.
Again taking what Fireblend said and reducing it to a very narrow viewpoint.
Before Fireblend responds and essentially counters Saw's point entirely.
Which results in Saw lessening her scum read on Fire "a bit".
The entire exchange on Saw's part doesn't feel very genuine between the overly strong reaction to discredit the idea of looking there followed by using reasoning for why Fire's opinion should be met with skepticism that turned out to be completely wrong, and yet the end result is simply a lessened scum read.
To me the difference between the two questions is the first is going to at best result in a WIFOM argument about his choice, while the other is a direct attack on a statement made by turmoil. Saw then using the second question's topic as the basis for her vote while never doubling back to the first point doesn't help matters. They just read completely different to me with the second one clearly representing a turn from what I perceive as a desire to go for Flux before that.
Add in Saw flip flopping around the phase before last and that's a good chunk of it. Saw and I went back and forth after the first two a bit and her responses didn't alleviate my concerns. I'm currently doing my Bae ISO, but as of this moment nothing has come from it that pertains to Saw. If anything does it'll be included in that post.
