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GameChanger

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,935
Four young men were arrested in upstate New York over the weekend for an alleged plot to attack a small Muslim community, called Islamberg, 150 miles north east of New York City. Police announced charges Tuesday against three suspects from suburban Rochester, ranging 18-to-20 years old, along with a 16-year-old minor high school student, who, over the course of about a month, stockpiled 23 firearms and three homemade bombs filled with black powder and nails to carry out the planned attack. The young men communicated on a chat app, Discord, that is popular among the far-right, according to police.

Despite being a small, remote residential community, Islamberg has, of late, caught the attention of far-right conspiracy theorists, including from Alex Jones and Infowars and even Fox News, where, NPR reports, it was suggested that Muslims were "stockpiling guns" on the "compound" in Islamberg in response to President Trump's election.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...plot-muslim-community-islamberg-new-york.html

I am so glad they uncovered this terrorist plot early on. When are we going to start holding far right media such as Fox news and far right conspiracy theorists accountable for their spread of hate and false information?
 

Chie Satonaka

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
I am so glad they uncovered this terrorist plot early on. When are we going to start holding far right media such as Fox news and far right conspiracy theorists accountable for their spread of hate and false information?

Never. Zero accountability.

The only way you can hurt these people is by denying them income. Even when people successfully get sponsors to stop supporting Fox personalities, they still survive. Even with Jones being almost totally absent from social media, he still survives.

They're going to continue doing and saying whatever the fuck they want. I wish Chobani would have bankrupted that fucking prick when they had the chance.
 

cameron

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
23,823
Bit from NPR: Planned Attack On Muslim Community In Upstate New York Disrupted, Police Say

Islamberg lies in a rural area a three-hour drive from Rochester. It was settled by Muslim families in the 1980s, and about 200 people live there. Local authorities and neighbors say the community is peaceful, a long-established part of the region's culture.
In recent years Islamberg has become the target of suspicion and conspiracy theories among right-wing groups and conservative media, including the Alex Jones program Infowars. One broadcast on Fox News suggested that people in the Islamic "compound" were "stockpiling guns" in response to the election of President Trump.
In 2017 a Tennessee man was sent to federal prison for nearly 20 years after plotting to burn down Islamberg's mosque and school. At the time, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions described the plot as an attack on religious freedom. "People of all faiths have the fundamental right to worship freely, and this administration will not tolerate attempts to violate that right," Sessions said.
State police and the FBI have regularly debunked claims that Islamberg poses a danger to the wider community. Still, anti-Muslim activists regularly hold protests nearby. Lisa Joseph, a conservative activist from Syracuse, joined a rally in 2017 and told NPR that she would "not tolerate ISIS training camps, militant-style training camps, radicalized training camps" in upstate New York.


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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
12,896
Title's inaccurate. The four poor young kids are clearly not terrorists but simply mentally ill lone wolves who's actions have nothing to do with any current social or political movements, no sirree...
 

Falconbox

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,600
Buffalo, NY
Discord is popular among the far right?

It's popular among all groups.

Sentences like that are just trying to drum up a little fear mongering I think. Like when a local news story reports "Pedos are searching Snapchat for your kids!", when it's a super low percent, and you can replace "Snapchat" with literally any social media app and it'd still be true.

Parents can see "Terrorist group used Discord!" and think "oh hey, I know that app, my son talks about it."
 

Masterz1337

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,794
It's popular among all groups.

Sentences like that are just trying to drum up a little fear mongering I think. Like when a local news story reports "Pedos are searching Snapchat for your kids!", when it's a super low percent, and you can replace "Snapchat" with literally any social media app and it'd still be true.

Parents can see "Terrorist group used Discord!" and think "oh hey, I know that app, my son talks about it."
Bullshit. Discord is gaming centric, and gaming has a problem that started with gamergate and continues to this day. Parents absolutely should be paying attention to their kids if they use discord, if not for the simple fact that it a far more secure and private platform in which people are using to radicalize.

A kid being on discord is more problematic than other social media platforms, and parents should be paying attention to what their kids are exposed to on it.
 

Falconbox

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,600
Buffalo, NY
Bullshit. Discord is gaming centric, and gaming has a problem that started with gamergate and continues to this day. Parents absolutely should be paying attention to their kids if they use discord, if not for the simple fact that it a far more secure and private platform in which people are using to radicalize.

A kid being on discord is more problematic than other social media platforms, and parents should be paying attention to what their kids are exposed to on it.

Couldn't an uninformed person then come to the same conclusion about ResetEra, GameFAQs, /r/Games, etc?

Sure, some places are obvious hotbeds (/v/, KotakuInAction, etc), but most places are pretty harmless.
 

Masterz1337

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,794
Those platforms are moderated by a set of rules and what is posted is out in the open. It's not as immediate or unsupervised as discord. While someone can report a channel, that requires someone to report it to discord, rather than a moderation team reading through the millions of messages sent per minute.
 

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,178
UK
Discord is popular among the far right?
An unregulated chatroom service where messages can be sent between many people and won't be very traceable is perfect for radicalized young white gamers to plan terrorist attacks.

Remember Charlottesville?
This Was the Alt-Right's Favorite Chat App. Then Came Charlottesville.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/technology/discord-chat-app-alt-right.html

Judge Rules Discord Must Turn Over Account Data of Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville Planning Server:
https://gizmodo.com/judge-rules-discord-must-turn-over-account-data-of-neo-1828180427
 

Kaim Argonar

Member
Dec 8, 2017
2,271
Discord is popular among all groups. Those fuckers happen to use it because it's free, easy, and to a certain degree, anonymous. Nobody knows what you're talking about in a server unless they're on the server or Discord people is somehow tipped and check it out. IF it's not Discord, it will be something else. But Discord is the easier and cheaper for a user right now.
 

SapientWolf

Member
Nov 6, 2017
6,565
Bullshit. Discord is gaming centric, and gaming has a problem that started with gamergate and continues to this day. Parents absolutely should be paying attention to their kids if they use discord, if not for the simple fact that it a far more secure and private platform in which people are using to radicalize.

A kid being on discord is more problematic than other social media platforms, and parents should be paying attention to what their kids are exposed to on it.
I haven't seen any evidence of that. Facebook is probably the biggest alt right social media recruiting tool out there right now, with over 2 billion users compared to Discord's 100 million. And the Discord devs are actively removing alt right channels from the platform. Facebook is reluctant to do so even after such groups are identified.
 

Masterz1337

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,794
I haven't seen any evidence of that. Facebook is probably the biggest alt right social media recruiting tool out there right now, with over 2 billion users compared to Discord's 100 million. And the Discord devs are actively removing alt right channels from the platform. Facebook is reluctant to do so even after such groups are identified.
Facebook certainly does have its problems, but Discord's are different. Discord is a platform where it's users are mostly young white men, where introduction and discourse with strangers is the primary group and purpose. That's different than facebook, which is much more targeted on the people you know and local friends. Plus facebook users need an actual name and photo, or the account looks super sketchy.

Discord as a company seems great, and I haven't seen anything to indicate that they don't take the activity on their platform seriously, but there is only so much they can do with moderating a service they provide which is built with certain things in mind that make it attractive to the alt right.
 

Kaim Argonar

Member
Dec 8, 2017
2,271
It is popular among those nazis because of the listed reasons. And so is for everyone else. As you guys said, parents should be aware of how their children spend their time, where and with whom. And that's it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,371
Despite being a small, remote residential community, Islamberg has, of late, caught the attention of far-right conspiracy theorists, including from Alex Jones and Infowars and even Fox News, where, NPR reports, it was suggested that Muslims were "stockpiling guns" on the "compound" in Islamberg in response to President Trump's election.

But it was ok to stockpile guns when Obama was president, eh?
The blatant projection here.
 

EdibleKnife

Member
Oct 29, 2017
7,723
Title's inaccurate. The four poor young kids are clearly not terrorists but simply mentally ill lone wolves who's actions have nothing to do with any current social or political movements, no sirree...
Right? Can't wait for the same "they're just ignorant kids" bs we've been hearing for days. This is another case where a change in race would warp this story into something else entirely for too many news media outlets.
 

uzipukki

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,722
I bet all of them said a silent prayer to not have the situation escalate.
 

Feep

Lead Designer, Iridium Studios
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
4,602

Messofanego

Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,178
UK
I mean, yes, but just because it's the de facto chat program among gamers. Discord itself, while it may have some...wacky advertising...is actually a relatively left-leaning organization. They shut down a notable number of alt-right servers last year: https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/28/17062554/discord-alt-right-neo-nazi-white-supremacy-atomwaffen

Jason Citron is a good dude.
I'm not convinced that Discord is a left-leaning organisation. They banned the servers after Charlottesville btw, when Discord got a lot of criticism for users organising the Unite The Right rally through their service. Discord was decidedly more lenient on hate speech as long as it wasn't "illegal" and they don't monitor messages like other public-facing companies but after violent movements like Charlottesville, they've finally realised you can't be neutral with hate movements.

For months, Discord's executives and board members debated what to do about the alt-right's presence on its platform. Some favored stricter controls and banning hateful speech entirely. Others took the view that since these rooms were private, Discord's responsibility extended only as far as removing illegal content when it was flagged to them. Discord's community guidelines prohibit "sharing content that is directly threatening someone's physical or financial state," but the company also takes pains to reassure users that their messages will stay private, saying that "we do not actively monitor and aren't responsible for any activity or content that is posted."​
Josh Elman, a Discord board member and investor with Greylock Partners, told me before the Charlottesville rally that Discord was analogous to a chat app like Skype or iMessage, and said that it had fewer responsibilities to patrol for hateful content than a public-facing social network.​
"It's basically a private email group," he said.​
Reached after Discord's decision to ban alt-right groups, Mr. Elman said, "I believe every communication channel — public or private — has a responsibility to investigate and take action on any reports of misuse including harassment, inciting violence or hate, and other abuse."​
Discord wouldn't say how many groups it banned in total, but users told me that dozens of alt-right-affiliated servers seemed to have vanished, or closed themselves to new members. The company said on Twitter that it would not "actively search through messages" for evidence of abuse in the future, but would respond to reports of content that violated its terms of service.​
Some white nationalists see Discord's actions as part of a greater "no-platform" movement, in which tech companies systematically take away the digital tools that activists use to generate attention and organize their activities. In response to being kicked off services like PayPal and Patreon, a crowdfunding site, several far-right groups have begun creating alternative platforms, where extreme views will be tolerated.​
One moderator of an alt-right Discord server that was banned on Monday, Nathan Gate, who goes by the username TheBigKK, told me that Discord users were "leaving in droves" in search of a more hospitable platform.​
"Discord started out as a great service but unfortunately it looks as though we will have to move," he said.​
Another right-wing Discord moderator, who goes by Based, said that his server, a large pro-Trump group called "Centipede Central" that is still active, would have to be more careful to police its users going forward.​
"We're a little on pins and needles," he said, "because Discord has shown they're willing to nuke servers."​
Moderation on the internet is an endless cat-and-mouse game, and it's a near-certainty that without Discord as a safe haven, white nationalists will organize themselves somewhere else. Just hours after Discord shut down their servers, several alt-right users were already attempting to form new rooms, and others were suggesting alternative chat apps that might be friendlier to their views.​
"The pathetic nerd cucks at Discord have caved and joined the war against free speech," said a post on AltRight.com, using one of the movement's favorite slurs. "But we will simply adapt."​
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/technology/discord-chat-app-alt-right.html
 

Feep

Lead Designer, Iridium Studios
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
4,602
I'm not convinced that Discord is a left-leaning organisation. They banned the servers after Charlottesville btw, when Discord got a lot of criticism for users organising the Unite The Right rally through their service. Discord was decidedly more lenient on hate speech as long as it wasn't "illegal" and they don't monitor messages like other public-facing companies but after violent movements like Charlottesville, they've finally realised you can't be neutral with hate movements.
There is certainly a line to be drawn about a company actively monitoring literally all communication between human beings. I wouldn't want AT&T snooping through my texts, I don't want my internet provider snooping through my web traffic, and I don't necessarily want Discord to actively watch my messaging.

However, Discord has shown active steps to continue to improve their platform and try and respond to any and all uses of their platform that are used to prevent hate speech, in my opinion.

Moreover, like...I *literally* know the CEO and founder. I went to programming competitions with the dude in high school, and we still keep in touch. He's got his head on right.
 

PuppetMinion

The Fallen
Nov 1, 2017
2,298
Gun charges... But what about the fucking nail bombs!? Feels kinda relatively ignored here by the law, when that screams terror. Hopefully I am wrong
 

JK-Money

Attempt to circumvent a ban with an alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,558
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