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Will you guys #Mute Michael Jackson when his documentary comes out?
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I used to be a huge fan as a kid even owned the Thriller Vinyl. I completely stopped listening to him when he...uh changed. I think where there's smoke there's fire.
"Slept over", hmm way to frame it as more Innocent than it seemed, he slept with kids, he shared a bed with kids that were not his own. He's either a paedophile or a complete fucking idiot. Though I'm sure your 'hot take' is that he was a beautiful person who never had a childhood and wanted to somehow experience one by sleeping with kids, yeah because that makes sense.
didn't feldman or culkin say that mj showed them some kind of porn when they were a kid.
idk if mj is guilty, but people use the false allegations as a coverall to clear all the smoke. nobody in here should pretend that they know with any confidence that he is innocent.
Every time someone plays MJ at work I ask them to change the music because Wacko Jacko is against my religion (I'm agnostic but they don't know that). When they ask why I tell them kiddy diddlers go against my beliefs.
It still surprises me how many people think he was a pedo. AFAIK, literally every case was proven in court to be false, or was directly confirmed false by the alleged victim to be a scheme by their parent. Someone can find some of the stuff he did weird, but all of it is seemingly innocent, never once kissing or touching the boys in question. He was a quirky, but good and talented, guy.
I know it's important to trust claims of sexual abuse as "guilty-until-proven-innocent", but when we actually do find people accused of such crimes to be innocent, or the alleged victims themselves say they weren't victims unpressured, well... Gotta let it go.
Even supposing he was a sex pest, as I actually thought he was until a few years after his death, he's dead now. He can't hurt anyone. There's as much harm in listening to a supposed sex pest MJ as listening to known sex pest David Bowie, or to reading known misogynist and racist Lovecraft... i.e., none. They can't profit any longer and continue hurting people using said money. Which is the real harm in supporting problematic people still alive who have yet to atone or prove they've changed.
I know it's important to trust claims of sexual abuse as "guilty-until-proven-innocent", but when we actually do find people accused of such crimes to be innocent, or the alleged victims themselves say they weren't victims unpressured, well... Gotta let it go.
Even supposing he was a sex pest, as I actually thought he was until a few years after his death, he's dead now. He can't hurt anyone. There's as much harm in listening to a supposed sex pest MJ as listening to known sex pest David Bowie, or to reading known misogynist and racist Lovecraft... i.e., none. They can't profit any longer and continue hurting people using said money. Which is the real harm in supporting problematic people still alive who have yet to atone or prove they've changed.
I'm gonna go with the findings we already have (that he was innocent) and not waste any of my lifetime on this.
But do you.
But do you.
I guess the one good thing about MJ turning white is that he actually gets the benefit of the doubt.
The behavior he admitted to was tantamount to grooming even if it didn't lead to any explicit cases of rape. I have trouble listening to his music based on the things he has admitted to doing. Yes, I realize that at least part of it has to do with the fact that he was abused in his own childhood. I believe it is not hypocritical to find shared humanity in people who behave in ways that are unconscionable.
I'm not wasting any of my lifetime on this either. I just think he was a kiddy diddler.
But you do you.
Did fucking Brett Kavanaugh go to trial? Seriously people just grasp for straws when it comes to MJ. They ripped and tore apart everything in his life: family, relationships, his body, financials, computer, his home. Nothing was found to provide anything even remotely close as evidence.
i think you need to practice the statement you are writing.
idk if mj is innocent, but people use the allegations without substantiated proof as a coverall for guilty by suspicion. nobody in here should pretend that they know with any confidence that he is guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty. Not jumping on the media circus, sorry.
I am listening to Smooth Criminal as I type this post.
Regarding whether or not he's guilty/a pedo/satan incarnate, I'll just quote Wikipedia "At approximately 2:25 pm PDT (21:25 UTC) on June 13, 2005, the jury of the Superior Court of the State of California, held in and for the County of Santa Barbara, determined that Jackson was not guilty on all 10 felony and all 4 misdemeanor charges."
And by this point of the comment, Will You Be There is playing.
RIP Michael.
Regarding whether or not he's guilty/a pedo/satan incarnate, I'll just quote Wikipedia "At approximately 2:25 pm PDT (21:25 UTC) on June 13, 2005, the jury of the Superior Court of the State of California, held in and for the County of Santa Barbara, determined that Jackson was not guilty on all 10 felony and all 4 misdemeanor charges."
And by this point of the comment, Will You Be There is playing.
RIP Michael.
I used to learn towards guilty until I actually saw the types of evidence and testimonies being held against him. Now I feel like those juries made the right call. The damage is already done in the court of public opinion, but that felt like a self-fulfilling prophecy since people desperately want their suspicions of weird people to be validated.
Art is more important to me than people. It's not like his music gets worse due to him doing whatever.
Is this a non-profit documentary?, because otherwise they're literally cashing in on his death by throwing him in the mud when he can't defend himself.
Speaking both as an agnostic and as someone who has actually followed this case, I'm really not sure you have any idea what you're talking about.
The allegations stopped you listening to Kelly's music? Not the "music"
I think that if MJ would really be guilty we would not have to wait for a documentary to learn about this.
It's pretty obvious some are desperate to ruin his legacy. A decade of FBI investigations doesnt mean anything apparently.
Rationally speaking I fully support the principle art =/= artist but I can certainly understand naturally falling out of love with someone's art when you learn they are pos irl.
As for MJ, I never particularly loved his music but while I'm not a huge fan of his I always found the allegations rather dubious myself.
I don't expect the documentary to carry earth shattering revelations but even then his music is a huge part of a lot of people's lives and that can't just be switched off.
At least you know he's not profiting from it, so morally speaking you're ok, my position with Woody Allen is more complicated.
As for MJ, I never particularly loved his music but while I'm not a huge fan of his I always found the allegations rather dubious myself.
I don't expect the documentary to carry earth shattering revelations but even then his music is a huge part of a lot of people's lives and that can't just be switched off.
At least you know he's not profiting from it, so morally speaking you're ok, my position with Woody Allen is more complicated.
I doubt this documentary will hold much water considering the people interviewed are not reliable and have been discredited before.
I think it's a pretty solid basis to be confident he never did anything. And I say this as someone who believed the media bullshit for a long time until I researched the facts of the case.
No, the media made it up. Caukin specifically called out the media on it too, and Feldman has always maintained that MJ was practically the only adult who never touched him and was never inappropriate with him in any way.
He was subjected to a highly invasive investigation and monitored by the FBI for over 10 years. They never turned up any evidence. Nothing. Everyone who has made claims against him has been thoroughly discredited because their claims either couldn't be proven, were contradictory, or because they were an individual with a personal grudge against Jackson.
I think it's a pretty solid basis to be confident he never did anything. And I say this as someone who believed the media bullshit for a long time until I researched the facts of the case.
If it was proven false, who is this documentary for?
They could just as well have one about David Bowie, Jerry Lee Lewis, Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page, and Mick Jagger with their "baby groupies" issues. But of course, that would never happen... those stars aren't POC.
And you know what, I still listen to David Bowie... and always will. Same for MJ.
They could just as well have one about David Bowie, Jerry Lee Lewis, Steven Tyler, Jimmy Page, and Mick Jagger with their "baby groupies" issues. But of course, that would never happen... those stars aren't POC.
And you know what, I still listen to David Bowie... and always will. Same for MJ.
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I can sympathize with the 2 men accusing Micheal in the documentary being in a somewhat similair situation myself. Not even close to being seriuos as rape but I was naive enough to sign away responsibility of a superior and it backfired on me when I needed to report a wrongdoing against me.
MJ being found not guilty helps but we will never know with 100% certainty.
I can sympathize with the 2 men accusing Micheal in the documentary being in a somewhat similair situation myself. Not even close to being seriuos as rape but I was naive enough to sign away responsibility of a superior and it backfired on me when I needed to report a wrongdoing against me.
MJ being found not guilty helps but we will never know with 100% certainty.
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Yet his accusers have been proven to be lying and a 10 year FBI investigation turned up nothing.
Stop talking out your ass.
i'm not knowledgeable about all the accusations but i had to read the Arvizo case depositions for school and walked away like 99.9% certain it was a family of quacks taking advantage of a troubled and incredibly wealthy person. wouldn't surprise me if that happened across the board
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