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hibikase

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I do hope QS will continue to grow and eventually start being a viable opponent to the CAQ.
 

hibikase

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Everybody else pays for it all because Quebec is dependent on federal funding? Equalization to Quebec has been a thing for like 50 years.

Same applies to any province. They're free to elect whichever provincial party they want.

Anyway, your hate-boner for Québec is getting tiring. I'm just going to put you on ignore.
 

firehawk12

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So Australia is finally putting the marriage equality bill to parliament and an MP took the occasion to propose to his partner:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-partner-same-sex-marriage-debate-parliament/

It's just been interesting watching this whole process given how long it took Canada. I still find it kind of strange that Australia doesn't really have a "Bill of Rights" or Charter like we do, so they didn't have a court process to force the issue like we did here.
 

Tiktaalik

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voters are stupid, they just want a shiny new object without knowing what it stands for. Just for the sake of "change".

Ironically, the economny and emplomyent numbers are at their best in decades. This whole "throw the bums out" mentaliy is non-sensical when the economy is doing well

The last federal election and recent BC election show that people's desire for change isn't impeded by the strength of the economy. For all of the rhetoric about the middle class being "left behind" the economy and middle class were doing fairly well in 2015. BC had the best economy in Canada but the BC Liberals got turfed regardless.

If anything a strong economy potentially makes it more likely that the incumbent party will get replaced, because people are having their basic needs met, and are becoming more comfortable with risk, such as the risk of going with a new government that is promising new things that the incumbent won't.

In BC the Liberals' were all about "jobs jobs jobs" as their election mantra, and presumably thought they'd do ok thanks to their good record on the economy. What they didn't realize is that the economy was doing so great that everyone already had jobs, but were still wanting more (ie. transit, housing) that the Liberals didn't seem to be delivering on.
 

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So Australia is finally putting the marriage equality bill to parliament and an MP took the occasion to propose to his partner:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-partner-same-sex-marriage-debate-parliament/

It's just been interesting watching this whole process given how long it took Canada. I still find it kind of strange that Australia doesn't really have a "Bill of Rights" or Charter like we do, so they didn't have a court process to force the issue like we did here.
Australia never had a Pierre Trudeau like we did
 

rhn94

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If anything a strong economy potentially makes it more likely that the incumbent party will get replaced, because people are having their basic needs met, and are becoming more comfortable with risk, such as the risk of going with a new government that is promising new things that the incumbent won't.

Hadn't thought of it before; and it makes sense considering we individually do similar things in our lives
 

Mr.Mike

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An actual socialist party ruling in Quebec? I don't think the rest of Canada can handle that.

The actual revenues and expenditures of provincial governments do not affect the equalization payment calculation.

Equalization payments are based on a formula that calculates the difference between the per capita revenue yield that a particular province would obtain using average tax rates and the national average per capita revenue yield at average tax rates.

Also per capita PEI, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Manitoba receive more at the moment.
 
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Hat22

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It's basically a direct injection of Albertan funds into Quebec. A middleman doesn't change anything.


Here is a good article on the subject, http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/joe-oliver-why-equalization-no-longer-works

The whole system punishes provinces for being economically sound and rewards provinces for actively sabotaging their economy. What's not mentioned in the article is that the whole system also ignores the cost of living.
 

gutter_trash

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It's basically a direct injection of Albertan funds into Quebec. A middleman doesn't change anything.



Here is a good article on the subject, http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/joe-oliver-why-equalization-no-longer-works

The whole system punishes provinces for being economically sound and rewards provinces for actively sabotaging their economy. What's not mentioned in the article is that the whole system also ignores the cost of living.


Joseph "Joe" Oliver PC (born May 20, 1940) is a Canadian politician and the former Minister of Finance. He was elected to the House of Commons in the 2011 federal election[1] and represented the electoral district of Eglinton—Lawrence as a member of the Conservative Party until his defeat in the 2015 election. In April 2016, Oliver has been appointed chairman of the advisory board at Origin Merchant Partners, a Toronto-based independent investment bank

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It's basically a direct injection of Albertan funds into Quebec. A middleman doesn't change anything.

It's a direct injection of federal funds, the money comes out of the federal treasury from federal taxes. It's not any different from provincial revenue generated in Fort McMurray being used by the Government of Alberta in Lethbridge.

The point of the program, like provincial governments not spending revenue dollar-for-dollar in municipalities that generate it, is to help ensure Canadians have fairly equal access to government services.
 
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SRG01

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I've lost track of how many times I've had to educate people on how the federal transfer payment system works... People think it's a separate revenue stream directly from the province, but it's actually closer to general taxation and redistribution of those taxes.
 
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Another separatist party ruling in Quebec? I don't think the rest of Canada can handle that.
FTFY. Quebec Solidaire being left-leaning party in favor of Quebec sovereignty does not erase their advocacy for Quebec sovereignty.

So Australia is finally putting the marriage equality bill to parliament and an MP took the occasion to propose to his partner:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-partner-same-sex-marriage-debate-parliament/

It's just been interesting watching this whole process given how long it took Canada. I still find it kind of strange that Australia doesn't really have a "Bill of Rights" or Charter like we do, so they didn't have a court process to force the issue like we did here.

Aww, that's so cute!
 

hibikase

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FTFY. Quebec Solidaire being left-leaning party in favor of Quebec sovereignty does not erase their advocacy for Quebec sovereignty.

It's a bit more complicated than that. I'm not pro-sovereignty at all, but in the QC political scene there really aren't any other viable left-wing parties. And I assume a lot of the QS voter base also thinks the same.
 

Mr.Mike

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I don't quite follow the game theory at work that makes transfer payments cause provinces to resist resource development in other province instead of being supportive of such development to increase the equalization payments they receive, or why reducing equalization payments might do more to encourage them to be supportive of resource development in other provinces.
 

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It's a bit more complicated than that. I'm not pro-sovereignty at all, but in the QC political scene there really aren't any other viable left-wing parties. And I assume a lot of the QS voter base also thinks the same.
Yeah, that's really frustrating. Being leftist and non-separatist, who the fuck can I even vote for?

QS will probably win in my riding, anyway, so that saves me the trouble of holding my nose to vote for the PLQ or some shit like that. But still. Our provincial politics are such a shitshow.
 

Hat22

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Times like these are when feels good to be an NDP voter. The NDP has a few nuts but they're steadfast on issues like this. I'm fairly certain that the Libs will side with the corporations on this one.
 

firehawk12

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FTFY. Quebec Solidaire being left-leaning party in favor of Quebec sovereignty does not erase their advocacy for Quebec sovereignty.



Aww, that's so cute!
I like his response to people who said he's just doing it for a publicity stunt by saying the entire political process made his relationship a publicity stunt.

Australians though... breast feeding on the floor, marriage proposals... way cooler than our politicians. :p
 

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http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/12/04/saignee-des-quebecois-vers-les-autres-provinces
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Population shifts from Canadians moving out of their Provinces for another.
92 320 Quebecers left the Province in the last 5 years, only gained back 55 365 leaving it at a deficit of -36 955 people.
BC wins the motherload of incoming Canadians from other Provinces. (I can't blame them, if i were to move to another province, it would be BC)

Accodring to Stats Can, younguns between the ages of 25-34 are the largest demo moving out of their province representing 1/3rd of the migratory deficit.
 

AuthenticM

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Yeah, if I had to move to another province, it would be BC. No other province interests me.
 

firehawk12

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All the new jobs are out west because of natural resources, but I wonder how much Alberta lost in the last couple of years.
 

Tiktaalik

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A significant contributor to Quebec's population "loss" is from new immigrants that got into the country via the Quebec Investor Immigrant Program, whom never actually had any plan to settle in Quebec, moving straight to Vancouver.

Quebec immigrant program increases in popularity … with 'downsides' for B.C.

The wealth of these new immigrants has no relationship to the local incomes of Vancouverites, and so this disproportionate buying power has contributed to the severe price increases in housing and the housing affordability crisis in Vancouver.

It would be nice if Trudeau would grow a backbone and get Quebec to stop selling Canadian citizenship.
 

Morrigan

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I would also probably pick BC if I had to pick another province, but the insane cost of living would put a brake on that. Maybe Ontario.
A significant contributor to Quebec's population "loss" is from new immigrants that got into the country via the Quebec Investor Immigrant Program, whom never actually had any plan to settle in Quebec, and move straight to Vancouver.

Quebec immigrant program increases in popularity … with 'downsides' for B.C.

The wealth of these new immigrants has no relationship to the local incomes of Vancouverites, and so this disproportionate buying power has contributed to the severe price increases in housing and the housing affordability crisis in Vancouver.

It would be nice if Trudeau would grow a backbone and get Quebec to stop selling Canadian citizenship.
Welp...
 

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As a Vancouverite, it feels like we constantly get fucked by both the BC and Federal governments. It's extra ridiculous that Quebec is allowed to select its own immigrants when they can just move to another province.
 

Tiktaalik

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The average rent for a 1 bedroom in Vancouver is now $2000 and the price per square foot on new condos in my neighbourhood is $1300/sqft. New condos around 700 sqft are being listed for sale at $800-900,000.

Please don't move here.
 

gutter_trash

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what can be done to reboot Atlantic Canada's industries?

maybe all them small Provinces should form some sort of unified investment into developing something out of the region.

I'm an economical illiterate but I am sure something can be done to boost Atlantic Canada
 

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I enjoy Maclean's annual economic charts piece. I generally pay more attention to the charts submitted by economists working as professors but there's a lot of good stuff in there. My two favorites:

Tax the rich! (But not me, I'm middle class.)
Ending the tolls: A case for congestion pricing?

Of course there are a number of charts about the coming healthcare cost apocalypse in the next 25 years. Thanks for keeping your taxes low and either not saving for your future costs or having enough children, Boomers.
 

Tiktaalik

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Additionally this chart shows the phenomenon of Induced Demand. The new Port Mann replacement bridge was finished in 2015 and at 10 lanes wide was briefly the widest bridge in the world. Unsurprisingly all the new empty lanes shortened commutes, and incentivized people to choose to drive instead of other options, and new traffic appeared. This is why building wider roads and adding more space for automobile traffic never solves congestion in the long term.

Particularly relating to congestion pricing, what is not shown in this graph is the related decline in traffic over the old Pattullo bridge. This bridge was untolled while the Port Mann was, and what drivers in Metro Vancouver experienced was a massive increase in Pattullo traffic as thrifty people avoided the Port Mann tolls.

I'm a big supporter of congestion pricing, but I support the new NDP governments' move to end the Port Mann tolls because it was causing distortions and inefficiencies in the Metro Vancouver road network as people diverted to untolled roads. I consider it a half step though. Some sort of congestion pricing needs to be implemented in the region, but it needs to be implemented uniformly everywhere. The government is investigating road pricing at the moment, and I'll be disappointed if they decide to not implement any sort of uniform toll or road pricing at all.
 

SRG01

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I enjoy Maclean's annual economic charts piece. I generally pay more attention to the charts submitted by economists working as professors but there's a lot of good stuff in there. My two favorites:

Tax the rich! (But not me, I'm middle class.)

Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous for people that earn 100k in most municipalities and call themselves middle class.

I just hit that this year, and I'm under no illusion that I'm middle class at all.

(Then again, that definition changes in different jurisdictions. The CBC As It Happens TV show just interviewed one of the Canadian winners of the Progress Prize (or something along those lines) and they joked that the prize was just enough for a downpayment in Vancouver's real estate market.)
 

Terrell

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Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous for people that earn 100k in most municipalities and call themselves middle class.

I just hit that this year, and I'm under no illusion that I'm middle class at all.

(Then again, that definition changes in different jurisdictions. The CBC As It Happens TV show just interviewed one of the Canadian winners of the Progress Prize (or something along those lines) and they joked that the prize was just enough for a downpayment in Vancouver's real estate market.)

Ehh, I think Vancouver's housing market is too pricey for nearly anyone, including the lower ranges of the upper class. The prices are just that ludicrous. Most middle-class people in Vancouver are renters by virtue of that or grossly over-extend themselves for the "privilege" of home ownership. I had landlords who rented rooms in their house to cover a mortgage and they got paid surprisingly well.
 

Mr.Mike

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'Brad Wall needs to smarten up,' says Alberta trade minister in spat over licence plate policy

Alberta licence plates banned on new Sask. work sites


If you are working on a new Saskatchewan government highways project, you'd better not have an Alberta licence plate.

The province is banning workers with Alberta plates from all new road projects. The new rule won't apply to existing projects like the Regina bypass.

The Ministry of Highways is targeting Alberta specifically because it says Saskatchewan workers in Alberta feel forced to register their vehicles in order to work there.
 

Terrell

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So if I am reading this right:

- Alberta job sites have been refusing to allow vehicles with Saskatchewan license plates for years, but the Alberta Ministry of Highways says that's bullshit
- Brad Wall and the Saskatchewan legislature retaliated
- Alberta Ministry of Highways tells them they have a week to stop or they'll go to court and then throws a bunch of shade at Saskatchewan as a whole

Why am I not surprised that Alberta and Saskatchewan's governments are both behaving like children about this?
 

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Is this is the kind of crap they're pulling now what's it going to look like in the run up to the election?

If they're going to run on Islamophobia and cater to the alt-right then the CPC must be destroyed, they need to lose their official party status and Scheer should lose his seat and crawl back into whatever hole he crawled out of.
 
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The fact that Scheer's team has more than just Hamish Marshall in tight with the Rebel crowd is bad news. Not surprising, but still unfortunate.

Is this is the kind of crap they're pulling now what's it going to look like in the run up to the election?

If they're going to run on Islamophobia and cater to the alt-right then the CPC must be destroyed, they need to lose their official party status and Scheer should lose his seat and crawl back into whatever hole he crawled out of.

If Scheer loses the BC by-election next week, I think a) he'll be in trouble within his own party, since that'll be two seats he's lost since becoming leader in the spring (Lac St Jean being the other one), which will lead to b) he'll go even harder on the racism and alt-right garbage. His standing is pretty shaky as it is on account of having won by such a narrow margin, so he'll probably double down on keeping his base happy in the hopes of quelling dissention within the party. 2019 could be pretty ugly.
 
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