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AuthenticM

Son Altesse Sérénissime
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
30,067
I just came back from watching this movie, by one of my favorite directors: Martin McDonagh.

In this movie, Sam Rockwell plays a cop named Dickson. At the very beginning of the movie, it is established that Dickson tortured a black man in the interrogation room, and the movie makes it clear that he is a racist scumbag. He is also homophobic, just like his boss, played by Woody Harrelson, who is also racist. The movie pushes this characterization hard; there is no ambiguity. Dickson is also portrayed as being extremely dumb and incompetent. Dickson is also 50 years old and still lives with his mommy.

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Around the movie's midpoint, Dickson breaks into a marketing office, proceeds to brutally punch the marketing director three or four times, throws him out the window from the second floor and onto the street, then goes to find the man again, punches him again, and finishes the ordeal by violently kicking him in the face. In front of the whole town and the new police chief. He is not arrested, though he loses his job.

Not too long after, Dickson reads a letter from his racist homophobic scumbag (ex)boss, who tells him "hey man, you're actually a good guy deep down. I know it. You just have to stop being angry and you'll become the great detective that you want to be."

After that moment, Dickson loses his evil traits, and suddenly becomes a great, compassionate and cunning detective who intelligently and successfully fetches DNA from a rapist, while he and Frances McDormand's character make peace. He also says "I'm sorry" to the marketing director whom he sent to the hospital, which prompts the marketing director to pour him a glass of orange juice in an act of forgiveness.

The movie ends with Dickson and McDormand's character riding in car together as the sun rises and pretty music plays.

So what this movie is telling us is that if we can find some racist homophobic asshole and get him to send heartfelt letters to George Zimmerman, Christopher Manney, Daniel Pantaleo, Sean Williams, David Darkow, Darren Wilson, Sharlton Wampler, Antonio Villegas, Peter Liang, Timothy Loehmann, Frank Garmback, Mark Rine, Braheme Days, Roger Worley, Robert Bates and Michael Slager: they will all be magically cured of their horrible evil traits and will become straight-up men, because, you know, that's what we all are, deep down.
What a fucking intellectual travesty.
 
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nick shaw

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Oct 28, 2017
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its about redemption and revenge. theres a lot of nuance. dont reduce it to a summary of events.
 

Captjohnboyd

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not reading any of your post cause the first two sentences are rife with spoilers and I saw some towards the end. Fix that shit bro
 

HStallion

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Oct 25, 2017
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I didn't see it as much of a redemption considering
he's back to his old ways by the end of the film and dragging Mildred into it as well by dropping the whole "hey lets murder a stranger to make ourselves feel better" ploy. Not too mention his whole failed good guy plan was simply to get his badge back and when that failed he was about to blow his brains out before calling Mildred with his little scheme.
So I'm not quite sure it affirms cops or just Dickson are good guys.
 

Alastor3

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Oct 28, 2017
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I heard of reddit that it was one of the best movies of 2017, might have to watch the trailer and see that's it about.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've already seen it, but the least you could do is start your post with a goddamn SPOILER WARNING before you precede to lay out the plot.
 

Meg Cherry

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like this is a common misconception around the film.

Dickson isn't redeemed by the end of the story. He's scarred from head to toe, has been exiled by the one community that accepted him (the police force), and 'rides off into the sunset' to murder a man based on a story he overheard in a bar.

The one thing he's actually gained, is Mildred. A friend, but only in the most tenuous and stretched of circumstances. One who herself went on a campaign of rampage, and only ended up losing things in her life as a result.

Nobody has won at the end. Her daughter's killer is still out there. The community isn't suddenly redeemed, washed clean of racist undertones. Because as good as Mildred's cathartic rampage felt, it didn't amount to anything. It was just an angry scream into the night.

Edit: Spoilered post.
 

LionPride

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why do I have a feeling you took out every ounce of nuance and I ain't even seen the movie
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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I didn't see it as much of a redemption considering
he's back to his old ways by the end of the film and dragging Mildred into it as well by dropping the whole "hey lets murder a stranger to make ourselves feel better" ploy. Not too mention his whole failed good guy plan was simply to get his badge back and when that failed he was about to blow his brains out before calling Mildred with his little scheme.
So I'm not quite sure it affirms cops or just Dickson are good guys.
Exactly.
Hes an unqualified white guy constantly given chances he doesn't deserve who tries to atone after getting a big karmic wake-up call but is still the same gigantic asshole and goes right back to making horrible decisions.
 

Tophat Jones

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Oct 26, 2017
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He's still a piece of shit but trying to do better. At the end he's beat to shit, has nothing to live for except helping this grieving mother.

People trying to become better is not a bad thing.
 

Afrikan

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Oct 28, 2017
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WTF I thought this was actually about Billboards and was expecting Pics... not Spoilers to a movie...lol.
 

nick shaw

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Oct 28, 2017
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in bruges is about the despair of a child murderer. mcdonagh doesn't exactly use good upstanding moral people as his characters, but he does make them human and relatable.
the way sam rockwell transforms from hateful racist cop to repentant force for good only appears trite on the surface, though. his newfound altruism ends up being directed by frances mcdormand in her aimless quest to find an outlet for her rage. and both of their emotional arcs, along with those of her son, her ex-husband, the sheriff, his wife, and the ad guy, among others, are the direct result of a brutal and random act of violence committed by a stranger for no reason.

there's definitely a lot more to it than just the redemption of a racist cop.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The user was warned for this post. Don't diminish a fellow user's opinions in such a condescending and dismissive way.
OP getting this angry about the movie is humorous

I wish I could muster such rage about anything
 
Oct 28, 2017
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The OP is leaving something very important out about that final scene that completely recontextualizes it.
Just saw the movie today. Awfully convenient how one of the most important story elements leading up to all this is left out of the OP to suit a (completely unwarranted) rant about systematic racism among members of the police force.

police department attack, the anticipation in the hospital with him all bandaged up and the audience expecting the marketing character to attack him but instead shows forgiveness
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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BTW was I the only guy who came away from it thinking

Dixon was gay? The way he went from being all over the Redhead in the bar, then attacking him after he saw him flirting with the girl in his office.
in bruges is about the despair of a child murderer. mcdonagh doesn't exactly use good upstanding moral people as his characters, but he does make them human and relatable.
the way sam rockwell transforms from hateful racist cop to repentant force for good only appears trite on the surface, though. his newfound altruism ends up being directed by frances mcdormand in her aimless quest to find an outlet for her rage. and both of their emotional arcs, along with those of her son, her ex-husband, the sheriff, his wife, and the ad guy, among others, are the direct result of a brutal and random act of violence committed by a stranger for no reason.

there's definitely a lot more to it than just the redemption of a racist cop.

I'd argue a big point of the ending is the open question of whether a guy like this can actually redeem himself at all.
 
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AuthenticM

AuthenticM

Son Altesse Sérénissime
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
30,067
There's not much nuance left out. The character's redemption isn't earned.

Colin Farrell's character in In Bruges kills a little boy by accident. He spends the entire movie hating himself for it.

This is opposed to Dicksen here being a horrible piece of shit who does horrible things, by choice, and spending most of the movie being alright with that.

There is no comparison.

If he had not tortured a black guy and not almost killed an innocent man, the redemption would have worked. But a threshold was crossed. And boy was it crossed.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's not much nuance left out. The character's redemption isn't earned.

Colin Farrell's character in In Bruges kills a little boy by accident. He spends the entire movie hating himself for it.

This is opposed to Dicksen here being a horrible piece of shit who does horrible things, by choice, and spending most of the movie being alright with that.

There is no comparison.
If you think this is a redemption story for him you have badly misunderstood that ending.
After going and beating up a dude and losing his job for it, he decides to GO MURDER A MAN over bar boasts that may or may not be true.
The open question is whether he can come to his senses before he does even more damage.
 

TrueSloth

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Oct 27, 2017
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Other posters have said it best. He's reverting back to his old ways, because he needs an outlet for his anger.

The movie ends with a question hanging in the air whether they'll kill a random rapist or not, but I think its pretty clear they will. The movie is all about poor decisions spiralling out of control and feeding those poor choices with more poor choices. There is no redemption here.

Fantastic movie btw. Hope it wins awards.
 

piratepwnsninja

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just saw it tonight. Fantastic film. If what you got out of the movie was what you put in the title, then you probably need to watch it again, because
redemption and/or truly being good were not at all part of this. He's still a terrible person by the end, simply deluded into thinking he is just now.
 

Lionel Mandrake

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Oct 26, 2017
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So, this movie is not playing anywhere near me, and I've been really excited to see it. I really fucking hope that the police are revealed to be on the level early on and the OP didn't just give away their standing that might be revealed late in the film with the fucking thread title.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's not much nuance left out. The character's redemption isn't earned.

Colin Farrell's character in In Bruges kills a little boy by accident. He spends the entire movie hating himself for it.

This is opposed to Dicksen here being a horrible piece of shit who does horrible things, by choice, and spending most of the movie being alright with that.

There is no comparison.

If he had not tortured a black guy and not almost killed an innocent man, the redemption would have worked. But a threshold was crossed. And boy was it crossed.
But it wasn't a redemption arc. There was no redemption.
Him trying to change is just a worse and worse downward spiral that ends with the racist asshole and still grieving mother driving off to maybe murder a guy who might be completely innocent.
 

Polyh3dron

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Oct 25, 2017
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So racists are also capable of doing good things aside from their racist nature, and non-racist people are equally capable of doing fucking awful things aside from being non-racist, and "woke", as the kids say.
 

The_Strokes

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like this is a common misconception around the film.

Dickson isn't redeemed by the end of the story. He's scarred from head to toe, has been exiled by the one community that accepted him (the police force), and 'rides off into the sunset' to murder a man based on a story he overheard in a bar.

The one thing he's actually gained, is Mildred. A friend, but only in the most tenuous and stretched of circumstances. One who herself went on a campaign of rampage, and only ended up losing things in her life as a result.

Nobody has won at the end. Her daughter's killer is still out there. The community isn't suddenly redeemed, washed clean of racist undertones. Because as good as Mildred's cathartic rampage felt, it didn't amount to anything. It was just an angry scream into the night.

Edit: Spoilered post.

Nailed it, my man.

The movie is not good vs evil. It's not presented as a redemption story for any of the characters, they're all trapped inside this little town fighting their own demons that make all of them very confrontational.
 

Ominym

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think you missed the mark on this one OP. There's a bit more nuance than you're letting on as others have pointed out, and I don't think the movie frames Dickson as "redeemed" for many of his previous sins.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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First of all, he's not even a good guy.

Second of all, why would being racist prevent him from doing right by white people?

Edit: My god, your characterization of the ending
 

Fat4all

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HOLY SHIT

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Neophant

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Oct 25, 2017
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I went to see the movie today, and I'm not exactly sure how you came to that particular conclusion. Like, I love Sam Rockwell and thought this was one of his best performances I've seen, but...

It's pretty clear he was a scumbag through and through. From being an arrogant ass who isn't afraid to admit to some horrible things, to a generally incompetent and reprehensible cop, there's very little redeemable about his character apart from his relationship with his mother (which doesn't seem all that great and healthy) and his relationship with the Chief (who himself wasn't exactly a great guy despite what he does in the film). Dixon gets humiliated, immolated, and beaten in a desperate attempt to alleviate his guilt. He doesn't even succeed in actually resolving the crime he was supposed to investigate in the first place, and instead hitches on a reckless journey to hurt and potentially kill somebody else. Mildred wants to seek atonement herself, and if anything she's the one redeemed by the end of the film by letting Dixon join.
 

Admiral Woofington

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Oct 25, 2017
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It never told you he was a good guy. Like his recent films, he's a deeply flawed and tragic character on the road of redemption but he has a long way to go. It's not about a moral good and bad, humans aren't so easily defined.
 

Lord Brady

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm thinking you bought a ticket to this movie but went into a theater showing Daddy's Home 2. What you described isn't the movie I saw.
 

DevilMayGuy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yikes, what a reductive view of the movie. If that's what you took from it, maybe you should stick to more standard fare when it comes to film.
 

Raiku

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Psycho ends with Norman Bates triumphantly embracing his identity as Bernard Hermann's classic score swells in the background."
"The Mist ends with Thomas Jane escaping the horrors of The Mist and being reunited with those thought previously lost."
"The Shawshank Redemption is a celebration of the friendship of convicted murderers that literally affirms that crime pays."

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TheKeipatzy

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Look, I often miss the nuances and hidden themes in movies. I get it... And sometimes I am surprised to see the story actually means something else, and enjoy reading theories.

But I really don't think that's how the movie was going with on the ending.

I thought they were going for a purely 'revenge mission' by the end of the movie. Though even then, I tell the last bit of dialog being whether or not they should do that. "But we have several hundred miles to change our minds"

They weren't redeemed in my opinion
 

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I read it as the grieving mother and the police officer coming to independent realizations that they've been pouring their anger at the wrong targets; her, the cops and him, PoC. The cop was pulled between the police chief's mentoring of him and his racist mother pushing him in the other direction, and after
the chief's death and his letter to him
the cop finally picks a side, and chooses to follow his mentor's advice. It's less a redemptive arc and more a shot at finding his humanity. He also has a moment of clarity about what following his mother's hate has done to his life.

That dual path was there from the beginning, and came to a head with the beating he delivers, and the letter he receives. The entire police station is filled with racist cops and *none* of the others are offered a whiff of redemption. There's a message that even among the "bad" cops, some are not beyond finding their humanity. But not very many, and it takes hell freezing over to do it. That's not painting a very rosy picture of the police.