Bernie Sanders will Run Again in 2020

Critch · Feb 20, 2019

Anyway, tired of relitigating a long settled election. Sanders lost in 2016, his picks routinely lose in elections since that time, and if people want to waste their time and energy on him, I hope they can do it quietly, not yelling about him being an inferior candidate in every way possible is somehow Hillary and the DNC's fault. Maybe this time he won't run off to Rome on an election day, and spend some time in the south. Maybe deal with some issues that actually effect Democratic voters more than "It's all the banks fault!" Maybe figure out a plan to pay for some ideas that's not a laughing stock to every economist?

Last reason why I don't think he wins in 2016 or 2020. Minorities across the board voted against him. He's done nothing since then to change that.

Night.

Depths · Feb 20, 2019

excelsiorlef said:
It's Jay White's head on Kitty Pryde's body

I have no idea who either of those people are but thank you for the explanation.

Ichthyosaurus · Feb 20, 2019

Clipjoint said:
and he came really close to beating her.

No, he didn't. Had Bernie respected the norms he'd have quit his campaign in March, but since he didn't he gave his followers a false sense of being larger influence than he really was because he couldn't admit he never had a chance.

I'd say his 2016 campaign was a success beyond anyone's wildest dreams, and now he's going into the 2020 race with higher name recognition than anyone in the race besides Biden.

I'd say his negotiation for a concession and endorsement was a bigger advantage for him within the party, as well as the movement itself who had nothing to do with him maintain and growing outside his shadow. He's going to need more than name recognition to win the nomination.

excelsiorlef · Feb 20, 2019

Clipjoint said:
.and he came really close to beating her. I'd say his 2016

No he didn't.

This is fan fiction.

Zed · Feb 20, 2019

I'm curious how many people who say "Bernie is too old" love Nancy 'older than Bernie Sanders' Pelosi.

Mr. Shakedown · Feb 20, 2019

Ichthyosaurus said:
According to Hillary it was the absolute minimum effort.

Hillary's sorry ass campaign was absolute minimum effort. Russia be damned, she lost what should have been a no-brainer election to the dumbest, fattest, laziest man to ever run for the office. And he clearly didn't even want to win. Not sure how you manage to fuck that up but she pulled it off with grace and poise.

ThatWasAJoke said:
Liberals are truly beyond insufferable. Will go "yas Queen" when creepy, racist, imperialist Joe Biden announces but hate Bernie despite him being on the right side of every issue for 40 years? Truly delusional

They're not delusional, they love capitalism and imperialism. Corporate dems will preserve this, while progressives like Bernie and AOC threaten it - hence the backlash.

Deleted member 8561 · Feb 20, 2019

Zed said:
I'm curious how many people who say "Bernie is too old" love Nancy 'older than Bernie Sanders' Pelosi.

Holy shit, Nancy Pelosi isn't running for President.

Nobody cares about Sanders age as a Senator, it fucking matters if you're going to be chief executive of the most powerful country in the world for eight straight years

excelsiorlef · Feb 20, 2019

Depths said:
I have no idea who either of those people are but thank you for the explanation.

Jay White is the current IWGP champ (the belt Omega held last year and lost in Jan)

Kitty Pryde is the greatest member of the X-Men and comic book character of all time

random_polymath · Feb 20, 2019

Zed said:
I'm curious how many people who say "Bernie is too old" love Nancy 'older than Bernie Sanders' Pelosi.

Most of them are simply against socialist ideas. Which makes sense that they would hate Bernie and love Nancy.

Jiggy · Feb 20, 2019

TerminusFox said:
Holy shit.

Hillary campaigned EXTENSIVELY in swing states (PA, NC, OH, etc), and LOST. Her campaigning more wouldn't have saved her.

How the fuck is this hard to understand?

Trump made far more stops in critical swing states than Clinton. She didn't even bother to step foot in Wisconsin after the convention. Instead she sent her VP, daughter, and even fucking Bernie over there to campaign on her behalf. She got out-campaigned by an overweight, dementia-ridden piece of shit. Whoever's winning the primary isn't going to be dumb enough to repeat her mistakes.

random_polymath · Feb 20, 2019

TheLostBigBoss said:
Holy shit, Nancy Pelosi isn't running for President.

Nobody cares about Sanders age as a Senator, it fucking matters if you're going to be chief executive of the most powerful country in the world for eight straight years

Nah, that is a bullshit argument. Nobody runs for President for an 8 year term. President is for four years.

Age can also be easily mitigated by choosing a comparatively younger, bright, and popular VP like Kamala Harris or Beto.

Koo · Feb 20, 2019

excelsiorlef said:
Hey y'all it's 2019 btw

Bernard doesn't seem to realize that.

Michael F. Assbender · Feb 20, 2019

Mr. Shakedown said:
They're not delusional, they love capitalism and imperialism. Corporate dems will preserve this, while progressives like Bernie and AOC threaten it - hence the backlash.

I know I said I'm going to bed but I had to stop and say: Fuck this short-sighted, simplistic, us-vs-them-though-we're-on-the-same-side, shit-stirring post.

That is all. Goodnight.

TerminusFox · Feb 20, 2019

Mr. Shakedown said:
Hillary's sorry ass campaign was absolute minimum effort. Russia be damned, she lost what should have been a no-brainer election to the dumbest, fattest, laziest man to ever run for the office. And he clearly didn't even want to win. Not sure how you manage to fuck that up but she pulled it off with grace and poise.

They're not delusional, they love capitalism and imperialism. Corporate dems will preserve this, while progressives like Bernie and AOC threaten it - hence the backlash.

I love how this post implicitly exonerates racist white Americans who love white supremacy and voted for Trump en-masse.

Drain You · Feb 20, 2019

Nothing against Bernie, but didn't vote for him in 2016 and doubt I will in 2020. I just want Trump gone.

Also I can't believe how I never realized that it would bother me so bad if elections fell on odd years.

Hark · Feb 20, 2019

marrec said:
Multiple gaffes during the 2015-2016 primary, refusal to step aside when it was clear he'd lost, openly suggesting a conspiracy by the DNC, continued gaffes throughout 2016-2019, he's an old white guy.

Bonafide said:
GAF/ERA always had a hard on for the more "moderate" democrats. bernie came and rocked the boat so all of this is spite from 2016 after clinton took another L.

Reverse Giraffe said:
Supposedly, Bernie Sanders is tone deaf about racism.
The preferred candidate is Kamala Harris.

sphagnum said:
Era is primarily liberal, not socialist.

Big_Blue said:
He lost already, and lost badly to a bad candidate.

Speaking for myself, he's severely overlooked black issues. He clearly has difficulty relating to them and understanding their issues. Him pandering to racists didn't help.

Thanks for the replies! I'd only ever seen what Reddit presented to me about Sanders through pro-Bernie subs, so it's good to have a broader understanding.
I'll look into Kamala and her views & actions!

While I have no bearing on the situation whatsoever (I'm Australian) it's good to understand the players and how they're viewed by people, so thanks again for the varied insights :)

Ichthyosaurus · Feb 20, 2019

Mr. Shakedown said:
Hillary's sorry ass campaign was absolute minimum effort. Russia be damned, she lost what should have been a no-brainer election to the dumbest, fattest, laziest man to ever run for the office. And he clearly didn't even want to win. Not sure how you manage to fuck that up but she pulled it off with grace and poise.

Strange how Bernie failing to beat this person who wasn't able to defeat Trump is meant to be better than her at winning national elections?

Russia would have done this same to Bernie had he won the nomination, as well. I doubt the FBI looking into his wife would have been so low key in that environment and whatever else the GOP and FBI dug up on him.

Trump being a "no brainer" is one of his greatest strengths, people don't expect him to win yet he's become a politician who's unbeatable.

They're not delusional, they love capitalism and imperialism. Corporate dems will preserve this, while progressives like Bernie and AOC threaten it - hence the backlash.

Capitalism, sure, imperialism, no. This is why leftists need to be better at politics, don't bet on Bernie being your champion to getting anything done. He's a shitty leader who's left your movement in a ditch until very recently when he needed the support then he came running. Because Bernie is not a team player. With anyone.

Deleted member 8561 · Feb 20, 2019

random_polymath said:
Nah, that is a bullshit argument. Nobody runs for President for an 8 year term. President is for four years.

ok, so let me get this straight. We're going to elect a candidate under the assumption they only get four years?

Age can also be easily mitigated by choosing a comparatively younger, bright, and popular VP like Kamala Harris or Beto.

Reminder: Having a younger, brighter VP does not increase your own vitality and reduce your risk of mortality.

If you're hedging your bets that your candidate is going to die in office YOU'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB SELLING YOUR CANDIDATE

Tracygill · Feb 20, 2019

excelsiorlef · Feb 20, 2019

Koo said:
Bernard doesn't seem to realize that.

Ehhh....

He seems to actually be willing to learn from some of his mistakes so I'll give him some leeway

We'll see if it starts up the whole I'm only losing because it's rigged shit though if he slips out of the gate.

KtotheRoc · Feb 20, 2019

Koo said:
Bernard doesn't seem to realize that.

Seems more like some of his supporters and detractors don't seem to realize that.

Clipjoint · Feb 20, 2019

TheLostBigBoss said:
Ok this is the last god damn post I'm making about the 2016 primary.

Superdelegates are independent and can switch their votes at any time. This is what happened in 2008 with Obama when they went from Clinton -> Obama mid primary.

There were 9 DNC debates ranging from 8PM to 9PM, those are prime time slots. Half of those debates were held on Weekends.

To compare to the RNC, there were 12 debates with a much larger field.

Sanders had 5/9 debates where he was the only opponent on stage against Clinton.

Anyone who bitches about not having enough debates needs to get smacked. After the first four debates there was nothing left to talk about, it was practically repeats of the same topics where Clinton stood around waiting for June to come around.

The original schedule was supposed to be 6 debates, and the Iowa debate was scheduled against the football game that everyone in Iowa would be watching. They purposely scheduled debates on Saturday nights when viewership is at its lowest, or Sunday when they were going up against SNF. Vox wrote about how absurd the debate schedule was:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/12/9699836/democratic-debate-schedule

And Superdelegates can change their votes at any time, you're right. But in a competition that's all about perceived strength, when you can write in the media that Hillary has a 500 delegate lead over Bernie, it makes his path to victory look much more uphill than it really is. If you gave Bernie all those Superdelegates before the primary started, don't you think that would have impacted the narrative in his favor?

SolidSnakex · Feb 20, 2019

TerminusFox said:
Holy shit.

Hillary campaigned EXTENSIVELY in swing states (PA, NC, OH, etc), and LOST. Her campaigning more wouldn't have saved her.

How the fuck is this hard to understand?

Koo · Feb 20, 2019

If you're running a younger VP on the assumption you will die in office or they will have to run in president in 4 years wouldn't it make sense to just be their VP instead to cause less disruption should you die or need to retire?

Ichthyosaurus · Feb 20, 2019

TheLostBigBoss said:
Reminder: Having a younger, brighter VP does not increase your own vitality and reduce your risk of mortality.

If you're hedging your bets that your candidate is going to die in office YOU'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB SELLING YOUR CANDIDATE

Yup, in that case why bother with the middle man? Just run the VP for POTUS.

konka · Feb 20, 2019

Fuck Bernie.

Bramblebutt · Feb 20, 2019

random_polymath said:
. Nobody runs for President for an 8 year term

How many incumbent Presidents haven't sought a second term? Dying or resigning in disgrace don't count.

Koo · Feb 20, 2019

KtotheRoc said:
Seems more like some of his supporters and detractors don't seem to realize that.

He knew what would happen should he put his hat in the ring. He's chaos defined and he should realize how polarizing he is. If not, he's got more problems than we suspect.

Bernard: 'Are you not entertained?'

Depths · Feb 20, 2019

konka said:
Fuck Bernie.

Great post. It will surely drive constructive discussion in this thread.

Jiggy · Feb 20, 2019

TerminusFox said:
I love how this post implicitly exonerates racist white Americans who love white supremacy and voted for Trump en-masse.

Buddy, you need to learn how to keep multiple thoughts in your head at once. Did the extremely racist candidate benefit from racist voters? Obviously. Did the democratic candidate campaign far less in crucial swing states than she should have? Without question.

TaterTots · Feb 20, 2019

I don't get any of this hate. He has to win the primary to be up for the General Election. I'm going to wait until everyone throws their name in the hat and find the best candidate for me. If somehow, Sanders wins the primary he will definitely get my vote, even in my red state. I'm not just going to vote for Trump or not vote at all because Sanders is old.

I've seen a few posts across the internet call Sanders too old and hope that Biden runs. How do these people not realize they are BOTH old? It's all so weird.

Kirblar · Feb 20, 2019

Clipjoint said:
The original schedule was supposed to be 6 debates, and the Iowa debate was scheduled against the football game that everyone in Iowa would be watching. They purposely scheduled debates on Saturday nights when viewership is at its lowest, or Sunday when they were going up against SNF. Vox wrote about how absurd the debate schedule was:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/12/9699836/democratic-debate-schedule

And Superdelegates can change their votes at any time, you're right. But in a competition that's all about perceived strength, when you can write in the media that Hillary has a 500 delegate lead over Bernie, it makes his path to victory look much more uphill than it really is. If you gave Bernie all those Superdelegates before the primary started, don't you think that would have impacted the narrative in his favor?

The "narrative" doesn't have anything to do with Sanders losing 75% of black voters in the primary. When your own AA outreach team is sounding alarm bells after SC that if you don't fix the margins winning is impossible, and in response you stop campaigning in the South, you can't blame "the narrative" for your own shitty campaign decisions.

konka · Feb 20, 2019

Depths said:
Great post. It will surely drive constructive discussion in this thread.

You're right, let me follow that up. Fuck Bernie.

JesseEwiak · Feb 20, 2019

Kirblar said:
The "narrative" doesn't have anything to do with Sanders losing 75% of black voters in the primary. When your own AA outreach team is sounding alarm bells after SC that if you don't fix the margins winning is impossible, and in response you stop campaigning in the South, you can't blame "the narrative" for your own shitty campaign decisions.

Well, you have to realize, according to Bernie himself, less intelligent people vote in Democratic parties in the South, compared to the very intelligent voters in Minnesota.

Ichthyosaurus · Feb 20, 2019

Koo said:
He knew what would happen should he put his hat in the ring. He's chaos defined and he should realize how polarizing he is. If not, he's got more problems than we suspect.

Bernard: 'Are you not entertained?'

Madison · Feb 20, 2019

konka said:
Fuck Bernie.

This is level of discussion Anti-Bernie people want to raise I guess

What a shame

Papaya · Feb 20, 2019

Looking forward to Bernie running again! I donated $27 to help kickstart his campaign. His interviews so far have been great, and he explicitly mentioned hiring more people of color and women. He even mentioned that his VP will probably be a younger female as well. His messaging towards POC wasn't nearly as bad as people here try to make it out to be, but it could have been better, for sure. I'm glad he's making strides. I'm glad his campaign is off to a great start.

Biden is the only big one left, and I'm not sure he's even gonna run. If he doesn't I think everyone is going to have a really tough time knocking Sanders down.

Deleted member 8561 · Feb 20, 2019

also for everyone complaining about being a Sanders supporter and getting shit online on GAF/ERA, try being a young 20's Clinton supporter and having political conversations in real life lol

"What do you mean you don't like Bernie?", 90% of non-internet political interactions

konka · Feb 20, 2019

Fork said:
This is level of discussion Anti-Bernie people want to raise I guess

What a shame

I don't want a geriatric white dude who wont release his tax returns to be running for president. Like I said, Fuck Bernie.

Powdered Egg · Feb 20, 2019

TerminusFox said:
Define rigged.

DEFINE IT EXACTLY.

Do you or do you not believe the DNC changed anyone who voted for Bernie to a vote for Hillary. Answer that explicitly

If the answer to that question is No, the primary wasn't rigged, and people voted for Hillary of their own free will. If the answer is yes, provide evidence.

The Democratic Party was acting shady as fuck in NY when it came to the '16 primary. My wife and I were purged from the voter polls even though we've both consistently voted since 18. I don't care if Hillary had NY in the bag, I deserved to vote. The people at the pollsite gave us some ballot affidavit to fill out... 3 weeks later we get a letter in the mail that our votes weren't counted anyway.

At least 126k voters were purged in Brooklyn alone: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pb...g-why-126000-voters-were-purged-from-ny-rolls

Even recently with NY's governor election there was voter suppression targeting minorities. The Democratic Machine in NY knows that younger people and minorities are more left leaning and engage in such bullshit tactics when there are challenges from the left.

Depths · Feb 20, 2019

konka said:
You're right, let me follow that up. Fuck Bernie.

Why though?

FF Seraphim · Feb 20, 2019

TheLostBigBoss said:
also for everyone complaining about being a Sanders supporter and getting shit online on GAF/ERA, try being a young 20's Clinton supporter and having political conversations in real life lol

"What do you mean you don't like Bernie?", 90% of non-internet political interactions

Wait what? Shouldn't you bump into more Clinton supporters than Bernie supports just by the fact there should be more of them?
I honestly never bumped into a Bernie supporter in RL during 2016.

Zed · Feb 20, 2019

Clipjoint said:
And Superdelegates can change their votes at any time, you're right. But in a competition that's all about perceived strength, when you can write in the media that Hillary has a 500 delegate lead over Bernie, it makes his path to victory look much more uphill than it really is. If you gave Bernie all those Superdelegates before the primary started, don't you think that would have impacted the narrative in his favor?

Well said. There was never any rigging against Sanders in vote counting to my knowledge, but the system does favor the establishment. Sure, sometimes it can be overcome like how Obama did it, but its still an uphill battle.

Imagine if Sanders started the race with more super delegates. Many people would be questioning why Clinton can't get party support and that would likely shift some people over to Sanders and momentum could build up for him.

Depths · Feb 20, 2019

konka said:
I don't want a geriatric white dude who wont release his tax returns to be running for president. Like I said, Fuck Bernie.

Oh, the old man tax returns. Jesus Christ you're like a fucking Obama birther, fuck off.

Clipjoint · Feb 20, 2019

Kirblar said:
The "narrative" doesn't have anything to do with Sanders losing 75% of black voters in the primary. When your own AA outreach team is sounding alarm bells after SC that if you don't fix the margins winning is impossible, and in response you stop campaigning in the South, you can't blame "the narrative" for your own shitty campaign decisions.

He didn't do a good enough job with outreach to black voters, but he was facing an uphill battle going up against the wife of "the first black President". Rightfully or not, the Clintons have always had a lot of support from the older black community, who are consistently the most solid Democratic voters.

Having said that, Hillary lost those same voters to Obama in 2008 and immediately resorted to the racist dogwhistles to turn whites against Obama (as well as painting him out to be a Muslim). The Clintons never deserved the support they got from the black community.

JesseEwiak · Feb 20, 2019

Powdered Egg said:
The Democratic Party was acting shady as fuck in NY when it came to the '16 primary. My wife and I were purged from the voter polls even though we've both consistently voted since 18. I don't care if Hillary had NY in the bag, I deserved to vote. The people at the pollsite gave us some ballot affidavit to fill out... 3 weeks later we get a letter in the mail that our votes weren't counted anyway.

At least 126k voters were purged in Brooklyn alone: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pb...g-why-126000-voters-were-purged-from-ny-rolls

That's called the New York Democratic Party being corrupt in general, not some secret plan among the whole Democratic Party to give Hillary the win.

They've had terrible voting procedures since well, Bernie actually lived there.

Ichthyosaurus · Feb 20, 2019

Zed said:
Imagine if Sanders started the race with more super delegates. Many people would be questioning why Clinton can't get party support and that would likely shift some people over to Sanders and momentum could build up for him.

Then he'd be a part of the system and it'd ruin his image.

Deleted member 8561 · Feb 20, 2019

FF Seraphim said:
Wait what? Shouldn't you bump into more Clinton supporters than Bernie supports just by the fact there should be more of them?
I honestly never bumped into a Bernie supporter in RL during 2016.

I'm a white presenting male in Massachusetts, my peers are mainly in the Sanders camp as 2016 was their first major political involvement in being angry at the political machine they willingly had no engagement since they were legally able to vote, who also mainly voted third party in 2016. My elders are mainly golfers, cooks and business owners who are literally all republicans and my immediate family was a Sanders support (major supporter), a father who is politically apathetic and right wing-ish but still votes, and a sibling who is the literal incarnation of "both sides" who thinks (or thought until I talked to him) Jordan Peterson was someone worth listening to.

Deleted member 2426 · Feb 20, 2019

konka said:
I don't want a geriatric white dude who wont release his tax returns to be running for president. Like I said, Fuck Bernie.

This is valid though. No politician should be above a good old "F*ck you!"

JesseEwiak · Feb 20, 2019

Clipjoint said:
The Clintons never deserved the support they got from the black community.

I'm sure John Lewis, who got his head beaten in on Edmund Pettus Bridge fighting for Civil Rights will immediately endorse Bernie, now that a random guy on the Internet has explained to him how much more Bernie has done for the civil rights movement.

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