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Garlador

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
14,131
Trash? Is it really fair and accurate to call this product trash?

Not average, boring or just competent... Anthem is actually garbage?

Or is this hyperbole at the expense of a lot of people's work, for clicks for one and the "fun" of a backlash/pile-up for others?

If I worked in the industry I would stay as far from the internet community as possible jeebus.
One person's trash is another person's treasure.

The game isn't great. It is by most responses and critics, even actively UN-enjoyable at times and commits several major gaming sins, while packaging its gameplay in a very shallow, often broken and buggy shell.

It is not acceptable at launch. It may turn things around, but that day is not this day nor is it next week, and that's the version people are buying right now.

I have gotten enjoyment out of Superman 64 and I promise you that there were people on that project who worked hard and the final product didn't turn out at all what they intended it to be. That doesn't mean the game deserves a pass.

So... criticize the game. Rake it over the coals if you need to. Attack the flaws of the game, but not the people who worked on it. Separate the art from the artist. I don't see Jim singling any of the hard-working people at Bioware out (I think even he knows many of its problems were out of their hands). But just because a creator has good intentions and is a good person who works hard on something doesn't mean that consumers shouldn't voice their opinions on it.

If Jim thinks the game is straight-up garbage, that's his prerogative.

People who call anything that a team of people have poured their hearts into "trash" are trash.

Would love it if Jim became a banned site here, he is just constantly escalating inflammatory clickbait.
I remember learning game design in school and my instructor looked over my portfolio. We had to present them publicly. He was beyond harsh.

"You have invented a new form of ass. Are you proud of this? Tell me, are you proud of this?"

I was dragged through the mud on it. After the disaster of a portfolio review, he sat me down and told me, "now let's MAKE it something to be proud of."

As a developer and artist, you have to separate the criticism of the work from the person. Get thick-skin. Know that your heart and soul can be poured into something and discarded, destroyed, and insulted. That's just how it goes.

I'm glad I had him as an instructor.
 

Deleted member 4072

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
880
After an Alpha, 2 Betas, and a 10 hour trial on Origin I'd have to say I agree with him. Game is really bad and that's disappointing because it's one of my most anticipated this year.
 

TheBeardedOne

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
22,189
Derry
Very non surprised. This game always looked like something forgettable that was trying to be Destiny (while admitting it wasn't Destiny).

I'm not even going to borrow this one from the library, for free.
 

-shadow-

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,110
It's such a shame, the way the world looks is something that I'd love to explore like with Xenoblade Chronicles X. It's just... The game doesn't seem interesting at all outside of that.
 

Randdalf

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,167
EA lucky they stumbled into Respawn. I'm sure one day Respawn's leadership will be gone and EA can ruin that studio as well.

Are they lucky? Respawn was founded as a venture between EA and Zampella and West. They may have been independent, but all the money was coming from EA. They were funding the people who were seen as the driving force behind the most lucrative game franchise on the planet (at the time). I don't see that as lucky.
 

Chie Satonaka

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,634
People who call anything that a team of people have poured their hearts into "trash" are trash.

Would love it if Jim became a banned site here, he is just constantly escalating inflammatory clickbait.

That's not how this works, and this is a variation of a weird talking point I keep seeing here and other places.

Consumers have the right to talk about products any way they wish. Anthem isn't a good game. "Will someone please think of how the developers feel" and any variation of that is a silly response to criticism, regardless of if it's "clickbaity" or not.
 

Deleted member 13155

User requested account closure
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Oct 27, 2017
2,604
Its another irrelevant shitty game that tries to tap into a succesful formula but simply fails. Ofcourse Jim is pushing it as usual, but I personally won't waste my cash on this and thats what he tries to tell consumers.
 

Nikus

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,370
I used to like Jim's videos, but now even when he talks shit about games I don't like, I think he's contributing to the toxic atmosphere in gaming that he himself sometimes denounces...
 

Huey

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,192
That's not how this works, and this is a variation of a weird talking point I keep seeing here and other places.

Consumers have the right to talk about products any way they wish. Anthem isn't a good game. "Will someone please think of how the developers feel" and any variation of that is a silly response to criticism, regardless of if it's "clickbaity" or not.

Thanks for an actual response btw, as opposed to just "wat"

As to the point itself, I'm talking about the quality of the dialogue around something. There is no way Anthem is "trash" regardless of how disappointed people are by it. I get it - (a) it looked a lot different in the pre-release footage and (b) people are not satisfied with the gameplay loop. But to reduce all the nuance of those talking points, and the details of them, to saying the game is trash is, frankly, a trashy way to discuss something. I expect it at other forums, and I certainly expect it from Jim Sterling, but I wouldn't expect that level of dialogue about a problematic release here.
 

DrArchon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,485
People who call anything that a team of people have poured their hearts into "trash" are trash.
If you extrapolate this idea, you're looking at a very limited spectrum of criticism for everything on the planet.

How many things realistically were made without a bunch of people putting their blood, sweat, and tears into them?
 

danowat

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,783
It's a terrible way to spend $60 when there are free to play games that are way better.

If you like watching loading screens though, you might get some value out of it.
 

Alienous

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,605
Trash? Is it really fair and accurate to call this product trash?

Not average, boring or just competent... Anthem is actually garbage?

Or is this hyperbole at the expense of a lot of people's work, for clicks for one and the "fun" of a backlash/pile-up for others?

If I worked in the industry I would stay as far from the internet community as possible jeebus.

I doubt it. At least I would be happy at something like Mass Effect 2 being considered a masterpiece as much as I would be disappointed at something like Anthem being called trash.
 

Huey

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,192
We're never allowed to call things "trash" now because other people made them?

I think that's a disingenuous interpretation of my point, but I concede that no, that is not the only criteria. I think you understand what I'm saying though, no?

If you extrapolate this idea, you're looking at a very limited spectrum of criticism for everything on the planet. How many things realistically were made without a bunch of people putting their blood, sweat, and tears into them?

As above. But realistically, i think honestly very few games are 'trash' - it's typical hyperbole around releases that people feel emotional about. I just think there are more useful ways of talking about this stuff that doesn't equate a project that has major problems but still has some value with actual garbage.

For the record, I feel the same way about film, music and books. There's very little actual "trash" - ie. something with no value whatsoever.

is this really that absurd a point to be making?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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It's not edgy or clickbaity when it's accurate. Anthem retailing at full price is an insult and even then it's a soulless attempt to get players addicted to another loot treadmill of repeated content. The idea that we're somehow morally obliged to go easy on the game, because reasons, is silly.
 

Garlador

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
14,131

"Pokemon designs are literally garbage these days."
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Sometimes, you just need to embrace it.
 

Richietto

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,987
North Carolina
What really should he have made the title? "Anthem - Boring"? Really Boring? It isn't clickbait he just picked a negative word. What difference is there between using trash and using masterpiece? Nothing. Both are hyperbolic and no one ever gets touchy when someone calls a great game a masterpiece. He just happened to say a bad games is trash. Lordy you guys need to chill.
 

Deleted member 29939

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Nov 2, 2017
1,572
We're never allowed to call things "trash" now because other people made them?

You're allowed to call this trash if you believe its trash.
But folks on the internet and anyone putting on a show for an audience should often measure the consequences of coloring their distaste for something with harsher expressions just for theatrics, crowd garhering or whatever.
 

Huey

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,192
What really should he have made the title? "Anthem - Boring"? "Really Boring"? It isn't clickbait he just picked a negative word. What difference is there between using trash and using masterpiece? Nothing. Both a hyperbolic and no one gets touchy when someone calls a great game a masterpiece.

I mean there's been near constant backlash here since RDR2 received the label. But you're right, it probably does get thrown around too much.

I feel like "trash" has lost it even more so. What are truly broken, awful-looking games supposed to be called if lackluster, mediocre big budget disappointments are now the "garbage" or "shittiest" games out there?

This right here is what i'm saying. Jim Sterling of all fucking people should not be setting the tone for the intelligent discussions around complex subjects.
 

Deleted member 888

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Oct 25, 2017
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People who call anything that a team of people have poured their hearts into "trash" are trash.

Would love it if Jim became a banned site here, he is just constantly escalating inflammatory clickbait.

Yeah, Jim Sterling definitely needs to go with the alt-right and paedo game/content bans this forum upholds.

Newsflash, Anthem is reviewing as it is because there is some truth to the criticism/satire/jokes/etc. It's not people simply being mean to your favourite game, developer or whatever.
 

Deleted member 29939

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Nov 2, 2017
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What really should he have made the title? "Anthem - Boring"? "Really Boring"? It isn't clickbait he just picked a negative word. What difference is there between using trash and using masterpiece? Nothing. Both a hyperbolic and no one gets touchy when someone calls a great game a masterpiece.

Hyperbolic positivity doesnt make people feel like shit or put jobs at risk.

I'm amazed you feel both are the same.
 

Burrman

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,633
Does this guy ever make positive videos,or is it just that resetera always tends to lead toward negative stuff?
 

Altair

Member
Jan 11, 2018
7,901
So the guy who likes to trash games is well...trashing another game. News at 11

Anthem has its issues, but this dude is the definition of hyperbole.
 

AntiMacro

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,138
Alberta
Was it just Jim's general playstyle, or the intended playstyle of that class that made the combat look boring?

Because the combat looked really boring.

He's a Storm, the class that's all about hovering above combat raining down elemental combos using their skills and he spends most of the video on the ground shooting things.

Kind of says it all.
 

Absolute

Banned
Nov 6, 2017
2,090
Hate threads made about Jim's videos, can't stop posting in them to let everyone know. Jim has some dedicated haters.
 

Deleted member 888

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Oct 25, 2017
14,361
Hyperbolic positivity doesnt make people feel like shit or put jobs at risk.

I'm amazed you feel both are the same.

People who worked on this game got paid to work on this game. It's not charity work.

Yes, sometimes feelings can hurt a little when your product reviews poorly, but welcome to the world of hobby/art. Stop coddling developers to the extremes of acting like attack dogs if anywhere expresses negativity/criticism or even some satire around a product.

Developers have to be able to grow/listen and possibly learn/change in the face of feedback. Not just be in an echo chamber.
 

Huey

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,192
Yeah, Jim Sterling definitely needs to go with the alt-right and paedo game/content bans this forum upholds.

Newsflash, Anthem is reviewing as it is because there is some truth to the criticism/satire/jokes/etc. It's not people simply being mean to your favourite game, developer or whatever.

Fair enough, i edited my post.

I understand Anthem has issues, I'm not arguing with them. Criticism is fair and deserved - but Jim is well beyond that at this point, he's about inflammatory rhetoric. I'm not in here defending Anthem, I'm in here because I think Jim Sterling has little of value to contribute to the dialogue around anything anymore.
 

DrArchon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,485
He's a Storm, the class that's all about hovering above combat raining down elemental combos using their skills and he spends most of the video on the ground shooting things.

Kind of says it all.
I saw plenty of footage of him floating around and shooting ice/lightning and I still felt like I would be bored to tears doing that.

That boss(?) fight looked awful.
 

Richietto

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,987
North Carolina
Hyperbolic positivity doesnt make people feel like shit or put jobs at risk.

I'm amazed you feel both are the same.
People can criticize a product the way they feel. The feelings of who made it don't matter. And ain't no ones job at risk because someone called a game trash. They'll lose their job because the publisher didn't like how the game performed as shitty publishers often do.