You'd be surprised, women find practical armours very attractive. So in that sense, Mitsurugi is even MORE of a fanservice design!So that new Soul Calibur VI trailer shows a dude in practical armour fighting a girl with... not that.
Everyone act surprised!
So that new Soul Calibur VI trailer shows a dude in practical armour fighting a girl with... not that.
Everyone act surprised!
Oh, I know. But I'm old enough to remember when she looked like this! (not perfect, no, but still leagues ahead of what we have now):
Oh, I know. But I'm old enough to remember when she looked like this! (not perfect, no, but still leagues ahead of what we have now):
Yeah, it's weird that design from nearly two decades ago looks better than designs we have now. I know the games market is shrinking in Japan, but it's pretty clear pandering isn't helping marketability.Oh, I know. But I'm old enough to remember when she looked like this! (not perfect, no, but still leagues ahead of what we have now):
It's somewhat similar to what's happening frequently in modern anime compared to many of the more tasteful 90's designs.Yeah, it's weird that design from nearly two decades ago looks better than designs we have now. I know the games market is shrinking in Japan, but it's pretty clear pandering isn't helping marketability.
That set of images of how her costume changed over time, gradually inflating her breasts and removing her armour, is interesting in terms of putting the modern depiction in perspective. The early iterations of Soul Edge/Calibur were the only ones I played until very recently, so I was surprised to see what had happened to their dress sense!Oh, I know. But I'm old enough to remember when she looked like this! (not perfect, no, but still leagues ahead of what we have now):
Mitsurugi is usually partially shirtless in Soul Cal, too. Sophie got less clothed than she was in earlier games as a younger version of herself and Mitsurgi got more clothed than his younger self. Weird for what looks like a reboot.So that new Soul Calibur VI trailer shows a dude in practical armour fighting a girl with... not that.
Everyone act surprised!
It's a stupid fetishistic outfit for what's supposed to be an Athena-like warrior, and I'll hate it all I want, thanks.Sophie in Soul Calibur 1 and 2 is great. So glad to be going back to that. Don't be hatin'.
Like the whole game is this, guys and girls alike. Maybe it's not for you.It's a stupid fetishistic outfit for what's supposed to be an Athena-like warrior, and I'll hate it all I want, thanks.
Did you not see my earlier comments? The franchise wasn't always like that (Soul Blade wasn't, anyway), and Mitsurugi is in proper, non-fetishistic armour in that trailer.Like the whole game is this, guys and girls alike. Maybe it's not for you.
Like the whole game is this, guys and girls alike. Maybe it's not for you.
Maybe this thread isn't for you?Like the whole game is this, guys and girls alike. Maybe it's not for you.
Did you not see my earlier comments? The franchise wasn't always like that (Soul Blade wasn't, anyway), and Mitsurugi is in proper, non-fetishistic armour in that trailer.
We're talking about a game nearly a generation ago at this point. One wonders how many fans of this series even played Soul Blade, much less think it had superior designs. I don't think much remains from that time that really resonates with anyone. If they want to put in alternate skins like that Sophie one I think that would be pretty neat, but basing everything on a game from 20 years ago seems like ignoring a lot of ground regardless of what your views are on the designs.Did you not see the picture from the Soul Blade game? This wasn't what the whole series was like at one point.
Alright, I'll apologize for the wording there. That *was* dismissive.Maybe this thread isn't for you?
The whole thing is about listening to women, and you're actively dismissing one.
For you, maybe. For me and others, it's why I dropped the franchise. I'd love to play a competent, polished, 3D melee weapons fighting game with cool-looking kick-ass ladies who aren't male-gazey fucktoys. That'd be cool but it doesn't exist. So in a way, you're right, this game isn't for me -- not anymore, anyway. Just like so many other franchises.
What happenedI used to play occasional fighting games.
Now I don't.
Guess what happened between those two circumstances?
All the fighting games changed the way they treated their female characters, added more that only existed as wank bait, etc. For an example, see that picture of Sophitia above, and the transition of Chun Li over the years.
I literally can't remember any fighting games that treated female characters as anything but wank bait. No joke. I'm getting up there, and I remember Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, and they felt even goofier and more stylized with the female proportions than Soul Calibur did.All the fighting games changed the way they treated their female characters, added more that only existed as wank bait, etc. For an example, see that picture of Sophitia above, and the transition of Chun Li over the years.
Now there aren't any I can play.
Yes, Mortal Kombat started bad.I literally can't remember any fighting games that treated female characters as anything but wank bait. No joke. I'm getting up there, and I remember Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, and they felt even goofier and more stylized with the female proportions than Soul Calibur did.
I mean... they haven't really changed that much, you just probably became more self aware of these things over time.All the fighting games changed the way they treated their female characters, added more that only existed as wank bait, etc. For an example, see that picture of Sophitia above, and the transition of Chun Li over the years.
Now there aren't any I can play.
Yes, Mortal Kombat started bad.
Soul Calibur was bad but I tolerated it at II. Then IV came out.
Street Fighter only HAD Chun Li, and she was fine, although the PLAYERS behaved badly about her. Then they introduced Cammy. So there wasn't a fighting game left I could play.
You cannot predate all of this. The characters in the photos I used range from 92-2005, so no that isn't possible.Incorrect.
I predate all of that.
I've hated it during the entire process.
That would be correct.
Cammy got introduced in Super Turbo, which was in 1994, so are you saying you haven't played any SF games since Super Turbo?
I....what?You cannot
You cannot predate all of this. The characters in the photos I used range from 92-2005, so no that isn't possible.
That would be correct.
I looked at the first Virtua Fighter and said, call me in ten years when the technology catches up to your desire for 3d models. It eventually did, but I still didn't play Virtua Fighter because the series looked like crap.
I tried DoA but omg, that was awful. Not the gameplay, just the handling of all the women. Again, tolerated Soul Calibur briefly, but when they doubled down on the inflation of breasts idiocy, I noped out.
So, for more than 20 years, I've been excluded from the fighting games market. Despite occasional attempts to give them a shot again, I feel like they are pushing me away harder. I get my fighting fix from action RPGs and they have sufficient problems too.
How is the handling of female characters?
Sexual harrassment is a huge problem in Japan. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the objectification of women in media, though.
I think he's getting at the idea that there wasnt any fighting games before that time period and/or trying to say fighting games have always been like this. (tbh i'd have to look into obscure fighting games on consoles to hope for a chance to find one that didnt treat females like crap, or it plainly didnt have females to objectify in which case causes the issue of no female representation )I....what?
Look, this website has a minimum age limit.
Do you think it has some maximum age limit or sommat? You really confuse me.
Quite good.
I literally can't remember any fighting games that treated female characters as anything but wank bait. No joke. I'm getting up there, and I remember Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, and they felt even goofier and more stylized with the female proportions than Soul Calibur did.
You said you predate women being sexualized in fighting games, which I interpreted as you were playing fighting games when they weren't so sexualized (Not when you were born).I....what?
Look, this website has a minimum age limit.
Do you think it has some maximum age limit or sommat? You really confuse me.
You said you predate women being sexualized in fighting games, which I interpreted as you were playing fighting games when they weren't so sexualized (Not when you were born).
The problem with that statement is that... It's not true. Fighting Games as we know them have always had extremely sexualized women.
For example with Street Fighter, from reading the Capcom Design Works art book and the Street Fighter 30th Anniversary artbook, they attribute a lot of their influence from comic books (mostly Jim Lee) and Shonen manga, which tend who be reflected in the art for the games (Big Bodybuilder looking dudes and curvy women).
Now if you are saying it's getting more gratuitous, then for some games you may have an argument (though I would say SC6 looks to be about the level of SC2 instead of SC4).
Does it? I dont remember that in the trailer.