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firehawk12

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Malcolm Turnbull trying to spin gay marriage as a CONSERVATIVE platform is grossing me out so much.

I don't think much of Paul Martin, the Gordon Brown of Canada, but at least it wasn't Harper that was forced to make gay marriage legal in Canada.
 
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the one in South Surrey-White Rock
The closest I could find is this bit from the CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-bc-byelection-1.4431995

The 2.5-point gap between the Conservatives and Liberals in 2015 in South Surrey–White Rock is less than the 4.5-point swing that the polls suggest has taken place in B.C. between the two parties since then. That would put the seat in range of the Liberals, even without taking into consideration the appeal of the candidates on the ballot.
 

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I haven't listened to Grenier's podcasts in a long time. I like that guy.

hehe Mulcair's Outremont getting a mention for the near future, that riding is going to be a Liberal bloodbath. Such a prized riding
 
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I haven't seen any, which is kind of surprising. I know that by-elections are meaningless in the big scheme of things, but the one in BC is actually interesting and competitive, unlike the other three. There was a Leger poll a few days ago that found the Liberals with a huge lead in support across BC, but a) I don't know how reliable Leger is outside Quebec, and b) you can't extrapolate province-wide data down to a single riding.
 

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Any news on that Supreme Court case about the guy taking beer across the QC border into NB?
 

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I haven't seen any, which is kind of surprising. I know that by-elections are meaningless in the big scheme of things, but the one in BC is actually interesting and competitive, unlike the other three. There was a Leger poll a few days ago that found the Liberals with a huge lead in support across BC, but a) I don't know how reliable Leger is outside Quebec, and b) you can't extrapolate province-wide data down to a single riding.
Léger are usually pretty good. Conservatives narrowed the gap by moving up 4 points nationwide but Liberals soaring in the high 40s in Quebec, something that has been seen in nearly 40 years.
 

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Any news on that Supreme Court case about the guy taking beer across the QC border into NB?

Haven't seen anything from today's hearings yet. It was amusing to see the dairy and poultry cartels were the only non-government intervenors speaking on the side of the New Brunswick government yesterday. Obvious move for them given that free trade within Canada would mean just one province deciding to scrap quotas would lead to the eventual collapse of supply management, even if the huge tariffs were kept in place.

Edit: it seems today's hearing was livetweted by reporter Brian Platt. Thread starts here:
https://twitter.com/btaplatt/status/938779289964761093
 
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'Free the beer' case gets rough ride from Supreme Court justices worried about removing control from provinces

"My concern is, if we go your approach, we will really be introducing a great deal of uncertainty, perhaps increased litigation, etcetera, into the law," Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin said.

"What you're proposing is not free trade, you're just proposing another regime," she added later. "I'm very unclear on what would be in and out under your test, and I'm also unclear as to where that test comes from and how we draw that out of the language of 121."
 
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I haven't seen any, which is kind of surprising. I know that by-elections are meaningless in the big scheme of things, but the one in BC is actually interesting and competitive, unlike the other three. There was a Leger poll a few days ago that found the Liberals with a huge lead in support across BC, but a) I don't know how reliable Leger is outside Quebec, and b) you can't extrapolate province-wide data down to a single riding.
Most discussions about this particular riding seem to be suggesting the results will affect public perception of Scheer i.e. can he hold the line or will he keep losing the CPC more and more seats (hint: yes, absolutely as soon as more people discover his Rebel connections/what Rebel is) and if Trudeau should be worried about losing the party's current holdings in the western provinces. It's...a bit much to take away from one of four ridings up for grabs; even if this is the most competitive of the four, there's little to suggest that it will reflect 2019's results given how long that is in the future and how much can change in the political environment re: NAFTA negotiations.
 

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They talk about not wanting to make policy, but then proceed to mention current policy efforts as an influence on their thinking in this case. So the Supreme Court shouldn't make policy, but it's ok for it to support the policy making of the current government?

And they're going to set a precedent that the constitution can be ignored when it's too hard to follow it?

There are enough provinces opposed to amend the constitution. They might do that instead of ignoring the constitution.
 
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Speaking of Scheer...this happened.



How to you politicize Santa? Not Christmas like conservatives do with the nonexistent "War on Christmas", but the jolly dude who gives kids presents.

EDIT: (To be clear, i'm baffled by Scheer's blue Santa, not the NDP MP)
 
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Pardon my ignorance, but what's the significance of Santa being blue?
 

firehawk12

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Did he give the kids tax refunds so that the government wouldn't decide what toys they should get?
 

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The Conservative Party of Canada is associated with the color blue. Santa is normally red, which is associated with the Liberal Party of Canada.
Oh wow. I knew about the party colours but for some reason that didn't even cross my mind. LOL @ Schreer, what a dick.
 
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Most discussions about this particular riding seem to be suggesting the results will affect public perception of Scheer i.e. can he hold the line or will he keep losing the CPC more and more seats (hint: yes, absolutely as soon as more people discover his Rebel connections/what Rebel is) and if Trudeau should be worried about losing the party's current holdings in the western provinces. It's...a bit much to take away from one of four ridings up for grabs; even if this is the most competitive of the four, there's little to suggest that it will reflect 2019's results given how long that is in the future and how much can change in the political environment re: NAFTA negotiations.

I was talking with someone who's done some polling in South Surrey-White Rock, and he said it's a toss-up, since the numbers are really close, and with it being a by-election, turnout is almost impossible to predict. Anecdotally, it seems like the Liberals are getting better turnout at their events, and I know that they've been doing lots of canvassing and phoning, so I think they may have a slight advantage, but it's probably too close to call.

As I said before, in the big scheme of things, by-elections are meaningless, and in terms of 2019 the impact will be minimal. That said, just in terms of optics, the Liberals would love to take a seat away from the CPC, while Scheer doesn't want to lose another by-election. Losing a seat in Quebec is one thing, since he's a barely bilingual Westerner up against the only national party led by a francophone (not counting the Bloc, of course). Losing a seat in Western Canada that's been solidly conservative since at least the 1970s is a lot harder for him to dismiss, especially when he has Bernier barely hiding the fact he's trying to organize a coup against Scheer.

They talk about not wanting to make policy, but then proceed to mention current policy efforts as an influence on their thinking in this case. So the Supreme Court shouldn't make policy, but it's ok for it to support the policy making of the current government?

It's especially head-scratching when you consider that this Court, with McLachin as Chief Justice, has never shied away from making policy. Marriage equality, prostitution, assisted suicide, plus all kinds of losses the SCC handed the Harper Government...like, I've generally agreed with their rulings, but it's disingenuous for them to say they don't want to make policy now.

Speaking of Scheer...this happened.



How to you politicize Santa? Not Christmas like conservatives do with the nonexistent "War on Christmas", but the jolly dude who gives kids presents.

EDIT: (To be clear, i'm baffled by Scheer's blue Santa, not the NDP MP)


I feel like they've done this for a long time. In another life, I was a PCer, and I vaguely remember seeing a blue Santa at one of their Christmas parties.

Oh wow. I knew about the party colours but for some reason that didn't even cross my mind. LOL @ Schreer, what a dick.

There are Conservatives who are still mad that the flag is red and white. When Harper won, he systematically removed red from all Government of Canada websites. Making Santa blue is pretty tame by their standards!
 

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Yeah, the CPC is extraordinarily petty about their politics. Like how they insisted on calling the GoC the "Harper government" during their stint in power and instructed public servants to do the same: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...rnment-in-stephen-harpers-name/article569222/
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Anyways, a lot is being said about the White Rock by-election and what it means for Scheer, but I think that these by-elections will be a major test for Jagmeet Singh, as well. No one is banking on the NDP winning any of these by-elections, but it is being discussed that, at the very least, these will express the power of his expected strongest voting base, visible minorities. Particularly in Scarborough and the Battlefords. People will be watching to see how much of a gain he might be getting from these by-elections.
 

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As Australia ousts MPs with dual citizenship, Canada's Parliament embraces many in its ranks

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dual-citizenship-mps-senators-parliament-australia-1.4439522


As a dual citizenship debacle rocks Australia's political world, Canada's Parliament embraces sitting MPs and Senators who were born around the world and hold dual, or even triple, citizenship.

There are now at least 56 sitting parliamentarians — 44 MPs and 12 senators — born in countries outside Canada, according to information from the Library of Parliament and websites.

At least 22 of them have citizenship from other countries, CBC News confirmed through queries to parliamentarians' offices.
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both Canada and Austrlalia are young countries, but both have divergent opinions on how to handle dual citezenship.

4 Canadian Prime Ministers were born abroad:
Jonh A. MacDonald, Alexander Mackenzie, Mackenzie Bowell and John Turner were all born in the UK.

Asking a citizen to renounce their Dual citizenship is asking them to severe any links to their family line or birthrite

IMO, Conservatives were assholes when they asked Dion to give up his French citizenship which is given to him by his mother. Dion's love for his mother should not be limited because of partisan Conservative nativism


*don't read the comments section
 

AuthenticM

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Respectable news outlets shouldn't have comment sections anywhere on their website.
 

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The comments on cbc.ca articles are particularly bad in my experience lol.
 

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This is the dumbest feature in "modern" media.

Like I really need to read to hear what trolls and shitposters think of the article.

It's useful for gauging how the public view the story.

Of course, the CBC has a really awful policy of selectively choosing which stories get a comments section.
 

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There's probably even more MPs and Senators who have dual-citizenship but were born here.
 

Terrell

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Not really because 99% of the people who bother commenting are trolls or stupid assholes. Comment sections on news outlets do not represent public opinion on anything.

Yep. Even Twitter is a better gauge of public opinion to news in Canada. And that says a lot about how garbage these comment sections are.

Never mind that there's been multiple suggestions that the CBC comment sections in particular are flooded with the same people almost immediately in repetition, which has led to accusations of these people being paid trolls trying to work an agenda.
 
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Maxime Bernier has come out against Net Neutrality -- which, seeing as he's CPC innovation critic, means that's official CPC policy. So...just in case anyone needed even more reason to loathe that party, there you go.
 

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Maxime Bernier has come out against Net Neutrality -- which, seeing as he's CPC innovation critic, means that's official CPC policy. So...just in case anyone needed even more reason to loathe that party, there you go.


It's one more piece of evidence that the CPC has no concept of what Canadians value anymore on a fundamental level. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Canadian that wants less government intervention on the telecom industry after Canadians themselves spent the better part of a decade forcing the prior CPC government to intervene on the cellular service oligopoly, after public outcry was too loud to ignore.

That they can't even remember the desires of Canadians that forced them into action while they were in government shows how totally braindead and rudderless they are.
 
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Maxime Bernier has come out against Net Neutrality -- which, seeing as he's CPC innovation critic, means that's official CPC policy. So...just in case anyone needed even more reason to loathe that party, there you go.

I can't imagine why their party's message doesn't resonate with millennials.
 

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Maxime Bernier has come out against Net Neutrality -- which, seeing as he's CPC innovation critic, means that's official CPC policy. So...just in case anyone needed even more reason to loathe that party, there you go.

Oh for fucks sakes. I can't believe we're going to have to put up with this fucking bullshit up here too. Fucking Telecom lobbies.
 

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What voter demographics opposes NN? Like, the Bernier-bros are probably super pro-NN, right?
 
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They can't possibly put that out as a policy plank. Giving Bell, Rogers, or Telus an inch publicly would never fly.

Yeah, I can't imagine it going very far here. Remember a few years ago when the three of them tried starting a groundswell of support to keep US telecoms out? That didn't end well for them, since they discovered that the one thing everyone in Canada agrees on is that Bell, Rogers, and Telus all suck. We have much stricter political finance laws here, too, so it's not like they can try and buy politicians they way they can in the US. It's one of things that Bernier supports because, as a libertarian, he's never thought about anything very seriously and his understanding of the real world is roughly an inch deep.
 

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What voter demographics opposes NN? Like, the Bernier-bros are probably super pro-NN, right?
Not really. Many of his supporters are tearing him a new one alongside everyone else, including this guy:


So hopefully this means that the party will have to come out in opposition to Bernier's position, since the former Industy Minister has called bullshit openly.
 
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