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Steel

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We don't hear much from Harris anymore has she gone quiet or has Beto blown up her spot
She hasn't been particularly quiet, but now's the quiet point of primaries. Doesn't really serve her to have the spotlight. When she had the spotlight she was losing approval rating, same goes for Bernie now. It's really not a good thing long term to have the spotlight on you.
 

abellwillring

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Beto wont release individual donations because, why? Big oil and gas money contributions from Texas?
Hey guess what, there are a lot of people who work in the oil and gas industry in Texas so I bet he did get a decent number of contributions from oil and gas workers. My wife and I work at UT Austin and I'm proud to say UT employees were his biggest contributors in the senate race.

I don't know what the final number of individual contributions was for the whole 2018 race, but he had 831k from March to September 2018 and then he had the massive push at the end. He raised $70m from individuals previously. He will raise that much and more this time around.
 

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"damn Bernie, since everybody likes your platform now why are you even running on the platform that everybody now likes?"

hell of a question
 

RailWays

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We don't hear much from Harris anymore has she gone quiet or has Beto blown up her spot
I'd imagine it's mainly two things:
  1. Less time in the media cycle as they cover newer candidates
  2. An increase of alternatives for her supporters to migrate to over time.
"damn Bernie, since everybody likes your platform now why are you even running on the platform that everybody now likes?"

hell of a question
Like, I understand the generic "why run?" question that everyone gets asked when starting their campaign, but I wonder why interviewers keep nailing Bernie with this question whenever someone new joins the race. Waste of a question, because it was answered on the first day of his campaign.
 

Holmes

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Oct 25, 2017
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I am still in shock about Beto. I can't keep up with all the draggings ;__;


I still feel he's not all that though. Let's see if polls reflect the supposed broad appeal the fundraising implies.
Sis!! I'm a Beto Bro this time round. Or maybe a Buttigieg Buddy. We're never on the same side.
 

Dream Machine

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We don't hear much from Harris anymore has she gone quiet or has Beto blown up her spot
I think she's having a hell of a time getting things sorted in Meereen, but plans to return
Beto writing weird stories as a 15 year old vs Bernie writing about women wanting to be raped when he was like 45. Same difference amirite.
Do you disagree that traditional gender roles and sexual power dynamics are messed up and when people internalize them they can manifest in strange, violent fantasies? Are you all about the continuation traditional gender roles? You just want women to stay in the kitchen?

See how stupid it is to strip things of context? Stop being embarrassing
 
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https://www.kvue.com/article/news/l...stin/269-37b3d815-2431-4576-9cee-d81ad96a4bda

He posted a very small preview image a few days ago:
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Like the guy or not that's really cool
 

Haubergeon

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Whenever I see people get excited by Beto vomitting out completely generic platitudes that amount to little more than vaguely center-left policy from the angle of "I'm so much more electable" all I can think is "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again." It's enough to make you want to tune out of politics for the rest of your life and hope there's 20 or 30 good years left before all the insects and polar ice caps disappear and the third world chokes to death so the West can continue enjoying Burger King. Some of you have got to strive for better than this.
 

Ortix

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Whenever I see people get excited by Beto vomitting out completely generic platitudes that amount to little more than vaguely center-left policy from the angle of "I'm so much more electable" all I can think is "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again." It's enough to make you want to tune out of politics for the rest of your life and hope there's 20 or 30 good years left before all the insects and polar ice caps disappear and the third world chokes to death so the West can continue enjoying Burger King. Some of you have got to strive for better than this.

It's possible not everyone agrees with you on what better is, you know.
 

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Whenever I see people get excited by Beto vomitting out completely generic platitudes that amount to little more than vaguely center-left policy from the angle of "I'm so much more electable" all I can think is "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again." It's enough to make you want to tune out of politics for the rest of your life and hope there's 20 or 30 good years left before all the insects and polar ice caps disappear and the third world chokes to death so the West can continue enjoying Burger King. Some of you have got to strive for better than this.
The base would die for more of the Obama years. The internet hard left types are out of touch with the actual voters.

 

Kthulhu

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Whenever I see people get excited by Beto vomitting out completely generic platitudes that amount to little more than vaguely center-left policy from the angle of "I'm so much more electable" all I can think is "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again." It's enough to make you want to tune out of politics for the rest of your life and hope there's 20 or 30 good years left before all the insects and polar ice caps disappear and the third world chokes to death so the West can continue enjoying Burger King. Some of you have got to strive for better than this.

TBH everyone running right now kinda sucks in their own way. Shame AOC isn't old enough to run.
 

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Whenever I see people get excited by Beto vomitting out completely generic platitudes that amount to little more than vaguely center-left policy from the angle of "I'm so much more electable" all I can think is "All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again." It's enough to make you want to tune out of politics for the rest of your life and hope there's 20 or 30 good years left before all the insects and polar ice caps disappear and the third world chokes to death so the West can continue enjoying Burger King. Some of you have got to strive for better than this.

I don't think it's controversial at all to say that our political system is fucked beyond belief
 

Haubergeon

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It's possible not everyone agrees with you on what better is, you know.

The science is clear on what kind of drastic action is necessary to protect the world from horrific catastrophes decades down the road. It isn't incrementalism. We are living in a crucial point in time that will determine, no hyperbole, the future of the planet and our species. I just think some people should remind themselves of the stakes - but if the view/post counts on the "___% of insects projected to die in 20 years" kinds of threads are any indication, people prefer to ignore it.
 

Ortix

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The science is clear on what kind of drastic action is necessary to protect the world from horrific catastrophes decades down the road. It isn't incrementalism. We are living in a crucial point in time that will determine, no hyperbole, the future of the planet and our species. I just think some people should remind themselves of the stakes - but if the view/post counts on the "___% of insects projected to die in 20 years" kinds of threads are any indication, people prefer to ignore it.

Beto has stated he supports the Green New Deal, so I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
 

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The science is clear on what kind of drastic action is necessary to protect the world from horrific catastrophes decades down the road. It isn't incrementalism. We are living in a crucial point in time that will determine, no hyperbole, the future of the planet and our species. I just think some people should remind themselves of the stakes - but if the view/post counts on the "___% of insects projected to die in 20 years" kinds of threads are any indication, people prefer to ignore it.
Beto has been insistent that the world is fucked with no going back in 12 years if we don't do anything now. If there is one issue he doesn't give vague togetherness on it is climate change.

So this was a odd choice to pick as an issue
 

Haubergeon

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Beto's record on left-wing policy is specious putting it generously. If he gets into power and starts kicking ass and taking names, I'm all for it, but I have no idea why anyone would believe it to be the case, nor on what in the world that's based on. At least with Bernie you have him ranting about the environment like 35 years ago when even way less people cared and calling yourself an environmentalist just made you a joke - which pretty much continued until the mid '00s.

Honestly, I would genuinely love to believe in Beto the way that some people do. But genuinely the main reason why I support Bernie is almost nothing but the fact that he was out there ranting and raving about the same old things for his entire life before people finally listened. If you offer me the choice between the guy saying the same thing for 3 decades, and the guy that just popped up on the national political scene a year ago and who tends to have a problem speaking directly and concisely, I can only pick the former in good conscience.
 

BoboBrazil

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Beto's record on left-wing policy is specious putting it generously. If he gets into power and starts kicking ass and taking names, I'm all for it, but I have no idea why anyone would believe it to be the case, nor on what in the world that's based on. At least with Bernie you have him ranting about the environment like 35 years ago when even way less people cared and calling yourself an environmentalist just made you a joke - which pretty much continued until the mid '00s.

Honestly, I would genuinely love to believe in Beto the way that some people do. But genuinely the main reason why I support Bernie is almost nothing but the fact that he was out there ranting and raving about the same old things for his entire life before people finally listened. If you offer me the choice between the guy saying the same thing for 3 decades, and the guy that just popped up on the national political scene a year ago and who tends to have a problem speaking directly and concisely, I can only pick the former in good conscience.
Would you rather have Bernie as president with Republicans controlling the Senate or Beto as president with Democrats controlling the House and Senate?
 

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Beto's record on left-wing policy is specious putting it generously. If he gets into power and starts kicking ass and taking names, I'm all for it, but I have no idea why anyone would believe it to be the case, nor on what in the world that's based on. At least with Bernie you have him ranting about the environment like 35 years ago when even way less people cared and calling yourself an environmentalist just made you a joke - which pretty much continued until the mid '00s.

Honestly, I would genuinely love to believe in Beto the way that some people do. But genuinely the main reason why I support Bernie is almost nothing but the fact that he was out there ranting and raving about the same old things for his entire life before people finally listened. If you offer me the choice between the guy saying the same thing for 3 decades, and the guy that just popped up on the national political scene a year ago and who tends to have a problem speaking directly and concisely, I can only pick the former in good conscience.
Because bills comes from congress not the White House.

And it doesn't matter if Bernie has been talking about climate change since 1942 if he can't win by a wide enough margin to have coattails to take back the senate.

How does Bernie winning by 3% and netting is two seats to 49 help us more than

Beto with wider appeal with swing voters winning by 7% and netting us 4 seats to 51?

Bernie being first does jack shit for us if he doesn't have wide enough appeal with swing voters to help senate races
 

medinaria

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Would you rather have Bernie as president with Republicans controlling the Senate or Beto as president with Democrats controlling the House and Senate?

this is an oddly specious argument

like, do you have any sort of evidence that suggests this sort of split would happen? because personally, I'd prefer bernie as president with democrats controlling the house and senate, and I've got just as much evidence to suggest that's plausible as you do yours.
 

Haubergeon

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Not to sound too much like "the data!!" which I criticize the '16 Hillary campaign for all the time, but there's just no measurable difference in their electability from what we know right now. Sure, if the choice is Beto + Democratic congress vs. Bernie + Republican congress I'll support the former I guess but I still can't help but feel intense Obama deja vu in that scenario.

Like a lot of us here, I became an adult during the rise of Obama, and I genuinely believed in him, and felt hopeful at that time for the future. But a lot of that was pissed away and if Beto can do anything, I just need to see from him that he understands the lessons from that era, or if we're just going for round 3 of "Hip young Democrat who's super electable and really going to sweep into office and get things done in a sexy, modern way!"
 

BoboBrazil

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this is an oddly specious argument

like, do you have any sort of evidence that suggests this sort of split would happen? because personally, I'd prefer bernie as president with democrats controlling the house and senate, and I've got just as much evidence to suggest that's plausible as you do yours.
Beto dragged a bunch of Democrats across the line in Texas during the midterms and inspired record Dem turnout in the state. Is there a similar example for Bernie?
 

medinaria

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Beto dragged a bunch of Democrats across the line in Texas during the midterms and inspired record Dem turnout in the state. Is there a similar example for Bernie?

beto barely outperformed national trends, and this is a media narrative

I'll quote myself, from many moons ago, when the world was young:

statistically speaking, fun fact:

trump beat clinton 52.23 to 43.24 in texas, a difference of 8.99 percentage points. nationwide, clinton beat trump 48.18 to 46.09, a difference of -2.09 percentage points. this means that, relative to the national results, texas was about 11 percentage points "more republican".

in 2018:

cruz beat beto 50.9 to 48.3, a difference of -2.6 percentage points. nationwide, democrats beat republicans in the house popular vote (the closest thing we have to a nationwide benchmark) 53.1 to 45.2, a difference of 7.9 percentage points. this means that, relative to the national results, texas was about 10.5 percentage points "more republican".

so I mean... did he really? if we applied national voting trends to statewide election results, you end up with... basically beto.

I'll admit that I swapped negatives between the two years, which is a shameful lack of consistency, but it is what it is. beto outperformed national trends by .5 percentage points. is he really so much better than any other candidate? can he really deliver what we think he can? DID he really deliver what we think he did?
 

BetterOffEd

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Would you rather have Bernie as president with Republicans controlling the Senate or Beto as president with Democrats controlling the House and Senate?

Until I'm given some concrete proposals from Beto, and some reason to believe he will actually follow through with them, absolutely the former

Never mind that there's no reason to believe Beto's election will somehow tip the senate any more than Bernie's. Remember, Bernie has won his senate seat multiple times. Beto failed to win his own. I see no evidence Beto will bring more senate seats than Bernie, in Texas or otherwise. In fact, I'd much prefer Beto stayed out of the presidential race and took on Cornyn in 2020 for precisely this reason. We need Beto more in the senate than we do as a president. Let him show us he's a winner before we bet the farm on him
 

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Until I'm given some concrete proposals from Beto, and some reason to believe he will actually follow through with them, absolutely the former

Never mind that there's no reason to believe Beto's election will somehow tip the senate any more than Bernie's. Remember, Bernie has won his senate seat multiple times. Beto failed to win his own. I see no evidence Beto will bring more senate seats than Bernie, in Texas or otherwise. In fact, I'd much prefer Beto stayed out of the presidential race and took on Cornyn in 2020 for precisely this reason. We need Beto more in the senate than we do as a president. Let him show us he's a winner before we bet the farm on him
Are you seriously comparing winning in deep blue Vermont as more impressive than what Beto did in Texas?
 

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https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...ng-vague-about-it?utm_medium=vicenewsfacebook

Vice is suspicious about Beto's numbers, and say well know if this was truly record breaking or a mix of large and small donations by April 15
Stop pushing conspiracy theories.

Beto did not take PAC or Corporate money. You claimed earlier it was big oil.

You sound like a Trump fan having to spin and create false narratives because the reality doesn't fit with what you want to be the case.
 

Aaron

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Oct 25, 2017
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Until I'm given some concrete proposals from Beto, and some reason to believe he will actually follow through with them, absolutely the former
This seems like a really weird argument. You'd rather have a lame duck Bernie than a Beto who can actually do anything? Beto's to my right but in that scenario it's an easy choice every time, I'd rather take some progress over the principle.

Never mind that there's no reason to believe Beto's election will somehow tip the senate any more than Bernie's. Remember, Bernie has won his senate seat multiple times. Beto failed to win his own.
This one is even weirder! You really don't see the difference between Bernie winning a Senate seat in Vermont compared to Beto barely losing one in Texas?
 

tommy7154

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Having the biggest fundraising day of any candidate in history is a media narrative? He has proven he has hit a cord in a way no one else has.
He hasn't proven anything without the number of donors. You're talking about others and their conspiracy theories while you take the 6.1 million number as proof he has "hit a cord in a way no one else has"? Put down that kool aid and clear your head for a minute.
 

Chitown B

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He outperformed national trends in the lowest voter turnout state in the USA. What has Bernie done? Last I checked he's in an extremely blue state with no serious competition for his seat.

seriously? virtually publicly unknown, he beat Hillary in some states for the primaries. Hillary. Clinton. He lost by only 16M to 13M votes
 

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all weekend long the drumbeat was he had no chance to raise anywhere near as much as Bernie. He isn't releasing them because he fell so far short of Bernie. Etc etc etc.

So when he not only matches but beats him out come the goalpost moving and conspiracy theories.

This is straight out of the MAGA playbook.
 
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