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It was okay he was not lying the Oscars indeed are meh. I liked how Geoff was looking all the way through lol.
 

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guys


his eccentric personality is literally thought into their marketing plans


they literally are betting on this dude's personality being a major draw to the game

EA doesn't give a shit about what he said on stage. It's exactly what they wanted.

I knew nothing about this game and now I wanna buy.
 

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He said "fuck" on stage multiple times for no reason, now I HAVE TO buy his game regardless of quality !!!!!
 

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Even legit awards shows always have that one person that doesn't quite get it. Breaks the tension. Loved it. Gonna buy his game.

#fucktheoscars
 

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He said "fuck" on stage multiple times for no reason, now I HAVE TO buy his game regardless of quality !!!!!

How different is it from people wanting to check out Mario + Rabbids because of the crying Italian dev at e3? Both represent very needed humanity in a community where fucking CEOs are rock stars and people talk about professionalism, industry, the stock market and whatnot at the same time as they want games to be taken seriously as an art form. You want artistry? Then you will get your Tarantinos and Von Triers going on rants.
 

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How different is it from people wanting to check out Mario + Rabbids because of the crying Italian dev at e3? Both represent very needed humanity in a community where fucking CEOs are rock stars and people talk about professionalism, industry, the stock market and whatnot at the same time as they want games to be taken seriously as an art form. You want artistry? Then you will get your Tarantinos and Von Triers going on rants.

The very idea that you're comparing those two people is insulting, one is crying because of his work for what he always dreamed of, he's also caught on camera and not forcing the audience to listen to him.
The other one is insulting the Oscars for... no reason?
He's then insulting his publisher for no reason either... but thank god someone is daring to speak up about lootboxes in... a video game where there is none? Then backtrack because he's realising that's actually his publisher...?
He's saying "fuck" a few times, delays a tightly scheduled event and makes no point whatsoever while being awkward and embarrassing for the whole industry.

That's not ""needed humanity"", needed humanity was found and appreciated when indie devs went on stage, when the Hellblade actress was very emotional or when the two Zelda leads were visibly shaken by immense joy
 

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This thread is the embodiment of something I despise in the gaming community, really surprised to see that much praise for the guy here.

He sounds like one of those edgy young people on the internet who just can't stop spouting stupid offensive stuff; he made no point, had no regards for the host or the show, made it about himself when he's not even receiving an award (!??)... I mean if that's "balls" or "being real" to you, please reconsider your life experience...

Now, i agree with all your other posts about how Fares little performance dragged the awards down (specially in a year where they tried their best to remain serious and had deep, meaningful moments like the Carol Shaw award), but you can't use this brainfart to drag the guy down the mud - despite this he is still incredibly talented, not only at games but at films too (which made the out of place fuck-the-oscars comment perhaps a bit more personal and less strange)

I'm not one of the people saying "it was great! stop being killjoys" but i'm also not down with painting Fares as a bumbling moron forever because of this. Again, this is the dude behind Brothers - if you ever played it, you know he isn't as dense as he appeared to be.
 

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Now, i agree with all your other posts about how Fares little performance dragged the awards down (specially in a year where they tried their best to remain serious and had deep, meaningful moments like the Carol Shaw award), but you can't use this brainfart to drag the guy down the mud - despite this he is still incredibly talented, not only at games but at films too (which made the out of place fuck-the-oscars comment perhaps a bit more personal and less strange)

I'm not one of the people saying "it was great! stop being killjoys" but i'm also not down with painting Fares as a bumbling moron forever because of this. Again, this is the dude behind Brothers - if you ever played it, you know he isn't as dense as he appeared to be.

Oh I'm not judging his work and never said he wasn't talented (?), I know Brothers is great and I was already looking forward to A Way Out.
I just hate this kind of stupidly egomaniac public attitude and the fact that people are cheering him on because he said gross words on a live channel... really? Seeing posts like "this was the only fun part of the show" is depressing to read.
 

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Oh I'm not judging his work and never said he wasn't talented (?), I know Brothers is great and I was already looking forward to A Way Out.
I just hate this kind of stupidly egomaniac public attitude and the fact that people are cheering him on because he said gross words on a live channel... really? Seeing posts like "this was the only fun part of the show" is depressing to read.

Not specifically talking to you on that point, sorry about that. Just seeing some posts treating him like a drunk idiot who happened to stumble in the TGA by mistake. The dude is still a talented dev and it was kinda sad seeing his cringy performance, but i still trust him and trust A Way Out. Maybe i'm biased because i am a younger brother who had an older brother suffer the hardships of life (so Brothers DEEPLY ressonated with me), but is still refreshing to me to see how Fares work and his relationship with his own brother. Just keep the guy out of live awards.
 
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WAIT I FIGURED IT OUT

Josef was just method acting! HE IS LEO.

other game directors gotta look to the real artists in this industry like josef

#Bravo #OscarWorthy
 

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Oh I'm not judging his work and never said he wasn't talented (?), I know Brothers is great and I was already looking forward to A Way Out.
I just hate this kind of stupidly egomaniac public attitude and the fact that people are cheering him on because he said gross words on a live channel... really? Seeing posts like "this was the only fun part of the show" is depressing to read.

Gross words?
 

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The very idea that you're comparing those two people is insulting, one is crying because of his work for what he always dreamed of, he's also caught on camera and not forcing the audience to listen to him.
The other one is insulting the Oscars for... no reason?
He's then insulting his publisher for no reason either... but thank god someone is daring to speak up about lootboxes in... a video game where there is none? Then backtrack because he's realising that's actually his publisher...?
He's saying "fuck" a few times, delays a tightly scheduled event and makes no point whatsoever while being awkward and embarrassing for the whole industry.

That's not ""needed humanity"", needed humanity was found and appreciated when indie devs went on stage, when the Hellblade actress was very emotional or when the two Zelda leads were visibly shaken by immense joy

People express passion in different ways. Those two guys are on complete different end of that spektrum and in very different situations, but both elicited a lot of "I wanna check out that game because of that guy"-reactions. People see Josef's passion as genuine. It's not about "edginess", he had a positive energy.
 

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People express passion in different ways. Those two guys are on complete different end of that spektrum and in very different situations, but both elicited a lot of "I wanna check out that game because of that guy"-reactions. People see Josef's passion as genuine. It's not about "edginess", he had a positive energy.

This was how I interpreted it: I felt like the guy truly believed in the medium as art. He was so passionate about it, that he used his stage time with Geoff to express himself and share that; the way he did it might indicate that he has had bad experiences in life trying to share his passion and a lot of the emotions / frustration were bottled up inside him.
 

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nope, he said what others dont have the balls to say on stage, "EA treats us well", because EA treat lots of people well, but fans dont want to hear that. People in the industry dont look to forums for their allies, they look to each other. Thats why the room was laughing so hard, a room full of developers love what he said. People like Kotaku love to report the easy story "man shocks with speech", but that room was full of people who know EA are just a business like any other. It's only us forum dwellers and youtubers that love all the fuck EA stuff. So yeah he was great, and all the actual dev team staff will have loved every minute of that.

Dont forget his point, EA are channelling every penny from A Way Out back into his team, EA doing a good thing, but no one wants to hear that because its not a story.

Thank you for this post. People need to separate what they see of EA as a company and what EA is to their employees and how they treat and pay them. EA has been much better for years now since the Spouse case and one of the best of the industry right now, also one of the most progressive in certain conditions.
 

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I liked it. I listened to his director's commentary for Brothers and you could tell that he really is extremely passionate and proud of what he creates. Saying "Fuck the Oscars" might be a bit much, but I interpret it more as an expression of his support for gaming as a medium than a genuine dig at the Oscars. I hope Geoff wasn't too upset/embarrassed by it, though.
 

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Thank you for this post. People need to separate what they see of EA as a company and what EA is to their employees and how they treat and pay them. EA has been much better for years now since the Spouse case and one of the best of the industry right now, also one of the most progressive in certain conditions.
I'm sure the head of Slightly Mad Studios takes solice in how EA treats its favored studios.

Anyways, unless you directly work within the games industry, I don't see the wisdom in praising their treatment of employees above that of their own consumers. Any good company, no matter the size, would find a palatable balance between both.
 

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I'm sure the head of Slightly Mad Studios takes solice in how EA treats its favored studios.

Anyways, unless you directly work within the games industry, I don't see the wisdom in praising their treatment of employees above that of their own consumers. Any good company, no matter the size, would find a palatable balance between both.

Because I can separate my vision of a company as a consumer and as someone who's seeing a company doing good things for their employees after years of problems in that regard (and just in the past days we saw them being the second best gaming company in Glassdoors). It's not that difficult to separate your vision, I'm more than one thing.
 

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I think Geoff was a lot more fine with this segment than most people think. Yeah he looked uncomfortable but that's how he always looks doing one of these things.
I've watched it multiple times now, for obvious reasons. And I don't think Geoff was so pissed I first thought. Yeah Josef was rambling and took too much time, but he also put on a show and I think Geoff was bit amused by him too.
I'm not sure how successful his movies have been internationally. But his films are very popular here in Sweden.
He is an awarded filmmaker outside of Sweden too. Personally I remember his debut Jalla Jalla! getting a lot of coverage and praise.
I don't think the guy hates the oscars or the film industry as much as you guys think he does. Guy seems to enjoy the fact they got an award show for something like games and he finds it cool he gets to sit along fellow devs and celebrate interactive media which you don't get with movies.
Yeah it was more of a praise to the Game Awards than bringing down the Oscars. But of course people want to focus on the negative.
 
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Loved Josef on stage.

That said, I showed the trailer to my main friend I would want to play this with and he said it was too hetero. So I guess that's out. Welp. He loved Brothers, btw.
 

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Is this any worse than a loaded Elizabeth Taylor giving Gladiator the Golden Globe for Best Picture?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGT-NUBNTZc
How about Kaurismäki dancing(???) at the Cannes red carpet? What an embarassment! How can anyone take him seriously anymore, cinema is dead. The same guy who gave a drunken interview to the Guardian about how the top 1% richest people in the world should be killed. He also trashes Scorsese and Malick in the same interview. Probably shares the "fuck the Oscars" sentiment too, with his 3 boycotts of the event. Though to be fair, those have been about the politics of USA.

Celebrating the top actors in Hollywood should be the text, not "in the world". Though they don't celebrate only the actors either.
 
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I don't have any problem with it but at the same time I feel he over did it, is OK to have personality,passion and throw a couple of fucks but maybe it was too much.
 

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I missed Josef during PSX. He needs to be part of every big event.

Embrace him and make him indeed the Tommy Wiseau of gaming.

Would watch a movie about him like the Disaster Artist in 15 years but it cant be part of the Oscars of course.
 

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My only problem with what he did was how annoyed Geoff looked. Geoff clearly put a lot of effort into the show and this guy was casting some shade over it.
 

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My only problem with what he did was how annoyed Geoff looked. Geoff clearly put a lot of effort into the show and this guy was casting some shade over it.

Agreed. His behaviour wasn't offensive, but it wasn't particularly professional or responsible. He wasn't cutting, edgy, or funny. He acted like a wank - nothing more, nothing less. I can understand why Geoff would not appreciate his behaviour.
 

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Agreed. His behaviour wasn't offensive, but it wasn't particularly professional or responsible. He wasn't cutting, edgy, or funny. He acted like a wank - nothing more, nothing less. I can understand why Geoff would not appreciate his behaviour.
Geoff has retweeted the "Geoff needed a Way Out" joke himself, I'm sure he is having a laugh at the situation. But ofcourse at the moment it probably was stressful too to keep the show on schedule as he is in charge even while hosting, nothing bad and disastrous happened though.
 

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My only problem with what he did was how annoyed Geoff looked. Geoff clearly put a lot of effort into the show and this guy was casting some shade over it.
Eh......Geoff got embarrassed it's not the end of the world, VGA are never going to be carried on CBS and broadcast like that. It's better the way it is now, community and passionate, with out being tainted by being like the Oscars.
 

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I feel like the gaming industry is in dire need of passionate and public figures like Josef that give games identity.

We know some name, but not enough. Josef's passion is wild but it's genuine and engenders a positive response.

This was easily my favourite moment of the TGAs. It's the kind of moment that will make me look forward to the next.