US PoliEra 2019 |OT3| YOU WERE AT MY WEDDING, DENISE

Thorn · Mar 25, 2019

Takuhi said:
Hmmm...

Interesting theory, but is Mueller really such a dope he didn't anticipate this would happen?

I'm done thinking Mueller is playing 4D Chess. He probably just did the motions as required by law and then could not give less of a fuck about what happens next.

And if someone were to manipulate a loophole to hide his findings, oh well, thats not his job to correct them.

devilhawk · Mar 25, 2019

Ernest said:
It's shit like this that makes me think the investigation was half-assed and/or decided before it began. I mean, why not talk to people like the guy in the tweet above and follow up on that shit?

I'm assuming that stuff is in the report. If it isn't then this whole thing is a sham. We know massive amount of corrupt and illegal things happened through great reporting and investigations elsewhere (like with Britain and CA and Facebook). The public needs to be specifically read-in on what is happening with people like Prince and Gates. We already know crimes occurred. Those documents have to be un-redacted if the DOJ is declaring the investigation completed. The entire reasoning for their redaction was because of an ongoing investigation.

XMonkey · Mar 25, 2019

Takuhi said:
Hmmm...

Interesting theory, but is Mueller really such a dope he didn't anticipate this would happen?

This is basically the Watergate path... so I don't rule it out. I feel pretty confident we will find out one way or the other.

Pixieking · Mar 25, 2019

Do we have a timeline for what happens next? I assume therre'll be a lot of "Release the report" from Dems and "No, make us!" from Republicans, but is there a time-limit on anything? Are Senate and House Committees getting the full report, or is that down to Barr and the DoJ?

The Chosen One · Mar 25, 2019

So it looks like a misread/misheard Barr's letter on obstruction of justice. I thought it said Mueller couldn't decide,, so he referred the matter for the AG to decide. But reading the letter directly, it was Barr who took it upon himself to make the decision on obstruction of justice, Mueller did not request this. It seems like Mueller provided arguments "for" and "against" and was going to leave it up to Congress/Public to decide, not the AG. So this really was the Barr Report, not a summary of Mueller's findings.

PantherLotus said:
I'm so gaslit I'm starting to wonder if maybe the whole thing was just the Trump family being dumb and surrounded by criminals.

This is my theory on what happened.

Early/Mid 2015 - Trump ran for President purely as a marketing gimmick and branding exercise.

Late 2015 - After surging surprisingly in the polls after the GOP debates, Trump decides to leverage his popularity and potential influence by trying to setup a Trump Tower Moscow deal that's he's wanted for decades. This was still before the Iowa Caucuses so I'm guessing things still didn't seem real to him because he still hadn't won a single vote yet.

Early 2016 - Trump starts to win some primaries, but still doesn't think he'll become the nominee, so he pushes ahead on the Trump Moscow deal. Russia previously was just interested in causing chaos in the 2016 election, now begin sending out feelers to the Trump campaign to see how much they can influence Trump and his associates. Also around this time Trump starts to hire campaign staff that are unusually friendly to Russia or have extensive Russian ties. It's still unknown how Trump found these people but again due to the pending Trump Moscow deal, he might have been open to hiring people with good Russian/Putin connections.

Mid 2016 - Word is beginning to get out that Russia has been hacking into various US political operations (ie. DNC). Trump realizes he needs to keep the Trump Moscow deal under wraps and put it on ice. In the meantime, Russia tried again to insert tentacles into the Trump campaign (ie. Trump Tower meeting). At this point, the Trump campaign was clearly interested in dirt on Hilary no matter the source. Not necessarily to win, but to at least bloody her up. On a separate thread, Manafort is now running the campaign and is using his position to pay off his debt to Russian oligarchs. This is probably the closest they came to collusion, but not enough to meet a legal standard of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

Fall 2016 - Roger Stone was probably in communication with Wikileaks on some level and he likely gave Trump the heads up about this information (I bet this is in the Mueller Report). But again, it's not clear if Roger Stone knew he was getting information from Russia and even if he did, it's not clear if there was a quid-pro quo. By late fall, Russia was clearly pushing Trump hard and Trump was amplifying their message perhaps unwittingly via Wikileaks or other sources. But he knows Russia is now sensitive issue, it's coming up in the media and in debates. He knows he's vulnerable because of the Trump Moscow deal. If the public found out about that deal, then everyone would think Russian collusion is real, so this is the genesis of all the lies about Russian contacts.

Early 2017 - The intelligence agencies declare with high confidence Russia interfered with the 2016 US election. Trump continues to deny this for many months into his presidency. The reason is two-fold, Trump still probably wanted to make the Trump Moscow deal happen down the line, but more importantly Trump is subject to blackmail by Putin due to the Don Jr. Trump Tower meeting, which the public didn't know about yet and the Trump Moscow deal. Those two things, Putin could expose Trump at any moment. This is the real reason Trump was so careful not to upset Putin.

Various Putin Meetings / Helsinki - By this point, the Don Jr. Trump Tower meeting had been exposed, but the public was still clueless about the details of the Trump Moscow deal. Also was and still is clueless about the various backchannels that Kush tried to establish with Russia and whatever Manafort was up to. I believe the meetings where Trump tore up the notes is where Trump and Putin tried to tie up those loose ends or Trump simply was ball-washing Putin's nutsack because the existence of those loose ends even if they weren't discussed.

Long story short. Trump probably was too incompetent to fully coordinate with the Russian government in regards to hacking/election interference and relief of sanctions. But Trump's outreach to Putin in the middle of the campaign about a Trump Tower Moscow deal and then later the Don Jr. Trump Tower meeting, essentially turned Trump into an unwilling Russian asset and made him compromised. This doesn't rise to a criminal conspiracy, just like how Carter Page was never charged. Donald Trump is basically an older and more orange version of Carter Page. Mueller's Report will probably detail Trump's incompetence / negligence even if there's no behavior that meets a criminal standard of collusion.

One thing I still can't explain is why Trump was so relentless in obstructing the investigation. It went beyond the annoyance and frustration of being investigated, he aggressively tried to smear everyone in the FBI leadership and everyone in the special council office. Trump acted like a very guilty man and I don't know if the Trump Moscow deal can explain all that behavior. I mean he was still freaking out just a week ago, so I'm struggling to square that circle.

Deleted member 4274 · Mar 25, 2019

PantherLotus said:
I'm so gaslit I'm starting to wonder if maybe the whole thing was just the Trump family being dumb and surrounded by criminals.

Shouldn't this been the take the whole time? He's an evil dude that likes to do evil shit. Useful idiot

The Chosen One said:
So it looks like a misread/misheard Barr's letter on obstruction of justice. I thought it said Mueller couldn't decide,, so he referred the matter for the AG to decide. But reading the letter directly, it was Barr who took it upon himself to make the decision on obstruction of justice, Mueller did not request this. It seems like Mueller provided arguments "for" and "against" and was going to leave it up to Congress/Public to decide, not the AG. So this really was the Barr Report, not a summary of Mueller's findings.

Wondering how this assessment was made...

Absent · Mar 25, 2019

Takuhi said:
Hmmm...

Interesting theory, but is Mueller really such a dope he didn't anticipate this would happen?

Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, told The Daily Beast on Sunday that the panel is considering asking Mueller to testify on his report and the letter Barr sent to Congress that summarized the special counsel's office findings.

There also is support among Democrats for testimony from Rosenstein, who worked with Barr to summarize the report. A spokesperson for Rep. Val Demings (D-FL), who serves on the Intelligence and Judiciary panels, said she supports bringing in Mueller, Rosenstein, and Barr to testify, along with the release of the report and all of Mueller's collected materials.

Accessing Mueller's paper trail is the next big fight for Democrats. They believe his findings, and the evidence that backs them up, are essential to advance their investigations of the president. Barr has said he wants to release as much of the report as he can.

Ok.

Mulligan · Mar 25, 2019

What truly rocks my brain the most are the constant lies made by Sessions, Kushner, Jr., Bannon, KT. McFarland, Flynn, Manafort, Cohen, Ivanka, and so on, throughout the campaign and investigation.

Something sinister happened. There's no reason why there was basically a conspiracy to cover something up through lies, if there was nothing there.

I have faith Mueller did his job correctly and well. I don't think I have faith in Barr.

cartoon_soldier · Mar 25, 2019

The best way to access Mueller's paper trail is to win in 2020.

thuway · Mar 25, 2019

Can this Mueller report nightmare be over? I've had such a rough week and this is just kicking me below the belt :(.

Joeytj · Mar 25, 2019

Jesus, this thread suddenly reads like Election Night 2016.

Chill out guys. Barr's letter didn't even trend most of the day. Most American's don't care as much about the specific accusation of Trump or his campaign personally colluding with Russia. Few actually thought Trump is that stupid or that the Mueller investigation was going to be that deep.

You're all acting as if the 2020 election already came and went, or as if the 2018 election was only based on Mueller's report and not, you know, actual issues like healthcare and the economy.

The full report isn't even out yet.

Ac30 · Mar 25, 2019

Aaron said:
Reminder that Comey's conference in July '16 basically amounted to "well I guess she didn't do anything wrong, BUT STILL"

"But still" drove the narrative then. And even now, the report appears to be a lot worse for Trump than Hillary's equivalent, which was pretty much clean.

That all depends on the media actually caring about that bit, and Trump isn't Hillary. We've seen time and time again that Trump is judged at a much lower standard.

cartoon_soldier · Mar 25, 2019

Joeytj said:
Jesus, this thread suddenly reads like Election Night 2016.

Chill out guys. Barr's letter didn't even trend most of the day. Most American's don't care as much about the specific accusation of Trump or his campaign personally colluding with Russia. Few actually thought Trump is that stupid or that the Mueller investigation was going to be that deep.

You're all acting as if the 2020 election already came and went, or as if the 2018 election was only based on Mueller's report and not, you know, actual issues like healthcare and the economy.

The full report isn't even out yet.

I say screw the Russian stuff, Trump's administration is filled with brazenly corrupt practices. Concentrate on that!

Sho_Nuff82 · Mar 25, 2019

Before anyone crowns Greenwald, we need to remember that he said that Russian interference and Wikileak connection were both liberal fever dreams. And that, even if it did happen, it was our just desserts for years of foreign interference greenlit by *checks notes* the Reagan and Bush administrations.

I'm still flabbergasted that Barr casually mentioned the wiki connection in his summary with no elaboration.

Ichthyosaurus · Mar 25, 2019

Greenwald is a hack.

Marvo Pandoras · Mar 25, 2019

Joeytj said:
Jesus, this thread suddenly reads like Election Night 2016.

Chill out guys. Barr's letter didn't even trend most of the day. Most American's don't care as much about the specific accusation of Trump or his campaign personally colluding with Russia. Few actually thought Trump is that stupid or that the Mueller investigation was going to be that deep.

You're all acting as if the 2020 election already came and went, or as if the 2018 election was only based on Mueller's report and not, you know, actual issues like healthcare and the economy.

The full report isn't even out yet.

You are correct. At the end of the day, perception is reality or as some people like to say actions speak louder than words. Trump is on record trying to kill the health care bill; rewarded North Korea with doing nothing; decided with rusher when it was proven that there was interference from;and he is on record for doing many more horrible things including things to the environment. Those actions are what caused the flip of the house in 2018.

ArkhamFantasy · Mar 25, 2019

thuway said:
Can this Mueller report nightmare be over? I've had such a rough week and this is just kicking me below the belt :(.

It literally just started, Dems are going to ask for the full report, Barr is going to say no, Democrats are going to subpoena the mueller report and muellers team to testify, Barr is going to ignore the subpoena and the fight (along with the evidence they need for their investigation) is going to go to the supreme court. Muellers team is unlikely to make any noise because even if they wanted to they have to be careful not to jeopardize the 12+ investigations that are ongoing.

Nothing of true significance happened yesterday other than Barr confirming what we already knew, that he's in place to protect Trump from this investigation, and whatever is in that report has been deemed so damaging to the president that Barr is refusing to release it.

The Chosen One · Mar 25, 2019

What eats me the most is that Rudy Giuliani will somehow come out of this less than humiliated.

cameron · Mar 25, 2019

Kremlin:

AP: Mueller report gives Russia 'I told you so' moment

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia is reacting with an "I told you so" on Monday in state media after the conclusion of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Moscow's involvement in the U.S. presidential election didn't find evidence of collusion.

Wrapping up 22 months of the investigation, Mueller's report that was delivered over the weekend found no evidence that U.S. President Donald Trump's campaign conspired with Russian officials to influence the 2016 election.

The released summary, however, didn't clear the president of improper behavior regarding Russia but didn't establish that "he was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," Mueller said in a passage from the report quoted by U.S. Attorney General William Barr.

Russian officials and state media who have vehemently denied that the Kremlin wanted Trump to win and was helping him in the campaign on Monday relished the news.

"The results of Mueller's investigation are a disgrace for the U.S. and its political elites," Alexei Pushkov, chairman of the information committee at the Federation Council, tweeted on Monday. "All of the accusations were proved to be trumped up."

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov had a more muted reaction on Monday, saying that Russia has never interfered in elections in other countries and "doesn't intend to do so."

"It's hard to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if it isn't there," he said.

Thirty-four people, including six Trump aides and advisers, were charged in the investigation. Twenty-five are Russians accused of election interference either through hacking into Democratic accounts or orchestrating a social media campaign to spread disinformation on the internet.

Russian authorities over the past months portrayed the Mueller probe as a witch hunt against Trump and a tool of the Democratic Party to fan the flames of the anti-Russian sentiment in the U.S.

Bloomberg: Russia Urges Trump to Grab Chance for New Ties After Mueller

Russia urged U.S. President Donald Trump to seize the opportunity to reset relations after Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report found no evidence of collusion between his campaign and the Kremlin.

"There's a chance to renew much in our relations, but the question is whether Trump will take the risk," Konstantin Kosachyov, chairman of the international relations committee in the upper house of parliament, wrote Monday on Facebook. "We, of course, are ready. And I suggest starting with the most acute issues: the START and INF agreements" limiting nuclear weapons, he said.

Mueller's report "proved what Russia knew from the very beginning: there was no collusion between Trump and anyone in his team and the Kremlin," Kosachyov wrote. Still, Russia has no reason to celebrate the outcome of the inquiry after two years in which relations suffered huge damage and "the accusations against us remain." While the Mueller report confirmed Russia meddled in the 2016 election, the Kremlin continues to deny that.

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An initial test could be whether Trump renews his pledge to invite Putin to the White House. The U.S. made the offer after the leaders' first summit in Helsinki last July, but later said the meeting would be delayed until after Mueller's investigation was completed.

Barr's letter makes note of Russia's election interference via the IRA's disinformation campaign and DNC hack.The GOP doesn't seem to care and the Kremlin denies it.

Greigor the FellHand · Mar 25, 2019

i see the weekend went well. lol.

so many drive by shit posts now. especially in that toxic ot.

im curious to see whats in the full report. as barrs summary, for a summary, is incredibly vague and dis honest.

phisheep · Mar 25, 2019

See, if Chris Christie hadn't been dumped we'd at least have had properly organised collusion.

Deleted member 40853 · Mar 25, 2019

Hopefully a silver lining of all this is that liberals can dispose of the fantasy that the FBI and a bunch of old ass white men who are lifelong Republicans are gonna save us.

IggyChooChoo · Mar 25, 2019

enempi said:
Hopefully a silver lining of all this is that liberals can dispose of the fantasy that the FBI and a bunch of old ass white men who are lifelong Republicans are gonna save us.

This strawman is pretty annoying. I can't think of anyone in my personal life or any public figure who thinks a Pence presidency will "save us." The people I know who are especially concerned about the GOP's corruption in this particular area have become more engaged in fighting the Right in all areas.

Kyra · Mar 25, 2019

Congress needs to keep fighting for the full report whole candidates needs to get proper messaging out.

Casa · Mar 25, 2019

Made the mistake of turning on Morning Joe. Immedietly hear Scarborough and Chris Matthews saying the "real" Dem voters in the suburbs don't care at all about Russia/Mueller and that Dems need to run more moderate, centrist candidates. They can't "go socialist."

Yeah, I'm avoiding all news on TV this week. The overreacting is crazy.

thefro · Mar 25, 2019

I had a dream last night that Trump showed up in disguise at one of Beto's events, tried to troll O'Rourke by asking a question, and accidentally outed himself as Trump. Beto was standing on a table and then stepped down and then embarrassed Trump and pivoted to his unifying message.

id. · Mar 25, 2019

Had a weekend to let everything sink in, and I'm hopeful for a few reasons.

This hit on a Sunday and had a relatively low impact judging from how long it was trending. Trump has the uncanny ability to turn anything even remotely construed as a positive for him into something negative, so I don't think it's going to help him as much as I feared it would.

I still think Congress needs to get their hands on the full report before they subpoena Barr or Mueller. They need to have the report in hand when they are questioning either of them.

I'm still definitely confused why so many light sentences were given out under the guise of cooperation, if nothing actually came from that information.

ArkhamFantasy · Mar 25, 2019

I stopped watching Morning Joe when he blamed Kavanaughs victims for going to parties with Kavanaugh when they knew he there were rumors about him when he gets drunk.

cameron · Mar 25, 2019

David Wessel @davidmwessel

Steve Moore: "I'm kind of new to this game, frankly, so I'm going to be on a steep learning curve myself about how the Fed operates, how the Federal Reserve makes its decisions." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-24/swift-pushback-on-stephen-moore-trump-s-latest-pick-for-the-fed … via @bpolitics

7:52 AM - Mar 25, 2019

Alex Burns @alexburnsNYT

This is sort of a remarkable admission from someone who has opined regularly on the Fed for decades (leaving aside that he has been nominated to its board)

8:12 AM - Mar 25, 2019

Bloomberg: Swift Pushback on Stephen Moore, Trump's Latest Pick for the Fed

Stephen Moore drew swift and unusually pointed criticism after President Donald Trump picked him to be a governor of the U.S. Federal Reserve, with at least one prominent Republican economist calling on the Senate to block the appointment.

"He does not have the intellectual gravitas for this important job," Greg Mankiw, a Harvard professor who was chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers under President George W. Bush, wrote in a blog poston Friday. "It is time for senators to do their job. Mr. Moore should not be confirmed."

Moore's selection is subject to Senate approval. He's Trump's sixth nomination to the nation's monetary authority, which has a seven-seat board of governors that typically is filled with trained economists, former financial-industry executives and bank regulators. There are currently two vacant seats.

Two previous Trump nominees, Nellie Liang and Marvin Goodfriend, failed to advance in the Senate in 2018. Unlike Moore, neither faced accusations that they were unqualified.

Superb pick.

JVID · Mar 25, 2019

Casa said:
Immedietly hear Scarborough and Chris Matthews saying the "real" Dem voters in the suburbs don't care at all about Russia/Mueller

This part is probably true lol.
As for the second part, run the candidate that's going to win a specific race. For some districts that's a "moderate" or "centrist" for others it could be a full blown "socialist". Any Dem is perferable to a Republican. Joe is still shit.

Linkura · Mar 25, 2019

thefro said:
I had a dream last night that Trump showed up in disguise at one of Beto's events, tried to troll O'Rourke by asking a question, and accidentally outed himself as Trump. Beto was standing on a table and then stepped down and then embarrassed Trump and pivoted to his unifying message.

Omg I have a dream I had last night to share as well.

My dream was that the site shut down this community and all political stuff had to be in OT and I was furious. Said I'd be spending much less time on the site and ignoring the replies to political threads.

Wilsongt · Mar 25, 2019

cameron said:
David Wessel @davidmwessel

Steve Moore: "I'm kind of new to this game, frankly, so I'm going to be on a steep learning curve myself about how the Fed operates, how the Federal Reserve makes its decisions." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-24/swift-pushback-on-stephen-moore-trump-s-latest-pick-for-the-fed … via @bpolitics

7:52 AM - Mar 25, 2019

Alex Burns @alexburnsNYT

This is sort of a remarkable admission from someone who has opined regularly on the Fed for decades (leaving aside that he has been nominated to its board)

8:12 AM - Mar 25, 2019

Bloomberg: Swift Pushback on Stephen Moore, Trump's Latest Pick for the Fed

Stephen Moore drew swift and unusually pointed criticism after President Donald Trump picked him to be a governor of the U.S. Federal Reserve, with at least one prominent Republican economist calling on the Senate to block the appointment.

"He does not have the intellectual gravitas for this important job," Greg Mankiw, a Harvard professor who was chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers under President George W. Bush, wrote in a blog poston Friday. "It is time for senators to do their job. Mr. Moore should not be confirmed."

Moore's selection is subject to Senate approval. He's Trump's sixth nomination to the nation's monetary authority, which has a seven-seat board of governors that typically is filled with trained economists, former financial-industry executives and bank regulators. There are currently two vacant seats.

Two previous Trump nominees, Nellie Liang and Marvin Goodfriend, failed to advance in the Senate in 2018. Unlike Moore, neither faced accusations that they were unqualified.

Superb pick.

"I don't know shit about what job I am nominated for except I hate the agency."

So a typical Trump pick.

Jmdajr · Mar 25, 2019

Man. Nov 2020 is still so far away. But rest of assured if the economy tanks he will lose. There is still so much time for more horrible shit to happen. In a way it's good this wasn't released Oct 2020.

Mulligan · Mar 25, 2019

Trump fucking perjured himself on the take home interview Mueller's team gave to him according to reports.

I'm fucking livid.

Greg NYC3 · Mar 25, 2019

Mulligan said:
Trump fucking perjured himself on the take home interview Mueller's team gave to him according to reports.

I'm fucking livid.

Expecting Trump's hand picked AG to do anything about this is expecting way too much. It's unlikely that Congress can do anything about it with the Senate held by the GOP. In sane times Trump would have resigned long ago but the fact that he's sitting in the Oval was the first sign that these times aren't sane.

Blader · Mar 25, 2019

cameron said:
Barr's letter makes note of Russia's election interference via the IRA's disinformation campaign and DNC hack.The GOP doesn't seem to care and the Kremlin denies it.

I think McConnell's statement actually did reference that Russians meddled in the election.

Casa said:
Made the mistake of turning on Morning Joe. Immedietly hear Scarborough and Chris Matthews saying the "real" Dem voters in the suburbs don't care at all about Russia/Mueller and that Dems need to run more moderate, centrist candidates. They can't "go socialist."

Yeah, I'm avoiding all news on TV this week. The overreacting is crazy.

Well they're half-right, most Dem voters don't care about Russia/Mueller.

Deleted member 24052 · Mar 25, 2019

Mulligan said:
Trump fucking perjured himself on the take home interview Mueller's team gave to him according to reports.

I'm fucking livid.

It's almost like trump is such a child that everyone around him handles him with fragile care, and the bar for...anything he does is set so stupidly low.

Even the bar for perjury and obstruction are set low for him. It's unreal.

NihonTiger · Mar 25, 2019

If you're Team Trump this morning, you're moving to unwind the remaining DoJ investigations; looking at pardons for Manafort, Gates, Stone and Flynn; figuring out how to claim executive privilege of methods/souces over the entire Mueller Report; and destroying every incriminating document you might have on this whole mess, quietly and securely.

Deleted member 13101 · Mar 25, 2019

NihonTiger said:
If you're Team Trump this morning, you're moving to unwind the remaining DoJ investigations; looking at pardons for Manafort, Gates, Stone and Flynn; figuring out how to claim executive privilege of methods/souces over the entire Mueller Report; and destroying every incriminating document you might have on this whole mess, quietly and securely.

In other words, Barr wasted his political capital on this letter, since team trump was already doing all of this.

Ichthyosaurus · Mar 25, 2019

enempi said:
Hopefully a silver lining of all this is that liberals can dispose of the fantasy that the FBI and a bunch of old ass white men who are lifelong Republicans are gonna save us.

Whoever thought Mueller's report alone was going to end this quickly and cleanly were being fools. It helps, sure, but this is out of Mueller's hands - his job is finished. It's up to congress to finish this, and the chances they were going to impeach Trump are slim at best. This is why Pelosi told us not to expect impeachment at this juncture, all it'd do is be a failure.

ValiantChaos · Mar 25, 2019

Linkura said:
Omg I have a dream I had last night to share as well.

My dream was that the site shut down this community and all political stuff had to be in OT and I was furious. Said I'd be spending much less time on the site and ignoring the replies to political threads.

That's not a dream that's a nightmare

OmniOne · Mar 25, 2019

Trump is going to become more awful and emboldened. Expect even shittier executive actions. The grift is going to be new levels of amazing.

NihonTiger · Mar 25, 2019

Wonderment said:
In other words, Barr wasted his political capital on this letter, since team trump was already doing all of this.

Probably so, yes. Would not shock me if they flat out refuse to release the report and refuse to discuss it.

Linkura · Mar 25, 2019

ValiantChaos said:
That's not a dream that's a nightmare

You're right, I'm tired as fuck this morning because I kept waking up with nausea and a sour stomach last night. Not at 100%.

ThLunarian · Mar 25, 2019

OmniOne said:
Trump is going to become more awful and emboldened. Expect even shittier executive actions. The grift is going to be new levels of amazing.

People who make comments like this are still remembering the world when Trump didn't have any oversight.

Remember: We just won the House. There are mechanisms to put a check on his power. They have been in motion since January 3rd.

None of this is over.

Mercurial · Mar 25, 2019

ThLunarian said:
People who make comments like this are still remembering the world when Trump didn't have any oversight.

Remember: We just won the House. There are mechanisms to put a check on his power. They have been in motion since January 3rd.

None of this is over.

He has a clear majority in the Supreme Court. Any subpoenas issued from the House in his direction are going to be stonewalled, resulting in lawsuits that end up there. Care to guess how the conservative Justices will go?

Blader · Mar 25, 2019

How can the grift get any worse? He's literally selling government access via his private businesses. :lol Not like the threat of investigations has in any way impeded Trump's penchant for corruption so far.

VectorPrime · Mar 25, 2019

Mercurial said:
He has a clear majority in the Supreme Court. Any subpoenas issued from the House in his direction are going to be stonewalled, resulting in lawsuits that end up there. Care to guess how the conservative Justices will go?

7-2 in favor of the Dems.

Blader · Mar 25, 2019

VectorPrime said:
7-2 in favor of the Dems.

Really? I don't see Thomas, Alito, or Kavanaugh crossing Trump on this. Kavanaugh was already pretty clear about his deference to executive power during his hearings. Not even sure I see Gorsuch ruling in favor of the subpoenas either, but I think he's probably the most likely of the non-Roberts conservatives.

PantherLotus · Mar 25, 2019

We're gonna get good news any minute now!

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