With how Google run Youtube, I don't want them anywhere near video games

I think Youtube's somewhat of a one off with Google. I don't even know if the damn site's profitable yet. But I doubt Google views its content creators as it's customers and would 100% have a different relationship with a game publisher and consumer with their game platform than they do with Youtubers and viewers.

Though I agree, I want Google to stay out.

Bit late now though as they are balls deep in our gaming mouths.

That's not even to mention the incredible toxicity in the comments and the complete unwillingness to do anything about it.

gschmidl said:

That's not even to mention the incredible toxicity in the comments and the complete unwillingness to do anything about it.

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Or how their famous algorithms for recommendations are complete thrash.

YouTube is really the fucking Wild West as far as media platforms go

What i would hate is to have exclusive on Google and wouldnt be able to play them :(

Same here. They never gave two shits about YouTube becoming a festering cesspool of bigotry and hate, i shudder at the thought of what Stadia's online community will be like.

Correction, with the way google run anything outside of their core search business I dont want they messing games up

Norwegian_Imposter said:

Correction, with the way google run anything outside of their core search business I dont want they messing games up

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Yep. Google Plus is arguably an even scarier example of how badly Stadia could turn out.

With Google Plus, Google jumped on a bandwagon (social media) purely because they wanted a slice of the pie, then spent 7 years and presumably a lot of money completely failing at it, wasting everyone's time along the way.

They'll kill a game/service whenever they feel like it, without any justification, just like they killed inbox for Gmail.

I can't possibly invest on such an ecosystem.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the two are really comparable at all, unless Stadia is going to be an open platform that anyone can publish games to

Clusterdreams said:

YouTube is really the fucking Wild West as far as media platforms go

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It was the wild west 10 years ago, now it's just an algorithm-mismanaged hellscape like the rest of the world.

Too bad it's not up to you. Me personally, I like having a new contender in the field.

newmoneytrash said:

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the two are really comparable at all, unless Stadia is going to be an open platform that anyone can publish games to

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They are comparable. Google stated they want to run Stadia the way they run YouTube, and streaming games on YouTube (essential to Stadia) is subject to in-stream moderation by YouTube's content ID system.

Atolm said:

Or how their famous algorithms for recommendations are complete thrash.

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Right?? How many times do I have to tell youtube I'm not interested in a video/channel before it gets the fucking message? They spent how much money on this algorithm? All it does is recommend videos of channels I've already watched/subscribed to and videos about the exact same thing I just watched. Itsfuckingnothing.jpg

newmoneytrash said:

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think the two are really comparable at all, unless Stadia is going to be an open platform that anyone can publish games to

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Who will end up policing the games that will be available on Stadia? Google use machine learning for everything so surely they'll try to use machine learning to scan the game and find objectionable content (and probably fail).

I find the fact that YT allows nazis and white nationalists to profit from and run rampant on its platform a much more worrying aspect of all this, especially considering how Stadia is supposed to bring influencers closer together to their audiences, but the reasons in the OP (and quite a few others) are also valid as to why i have no interest in this shit succeeding.

To me Google's like Valve on steroids,if Valve did other shit and could afford to let their game store die. They want maximum money for minimum effort, their tech support is generally garbage.

Too late lol

I wouldn't want Google near anything I really care about:

https://killedbygoogle.com/

mAcOdIn said:

I think Youtube's somewhat of a one off with Google. I don't even know if the damn site's profitable yet. But I doubt Google views its content creators as it's customers and would 100% have a different relationship with a game publisher and consumer with their game platform than they do with Youtubers and viewers.

Though I agree, I want Google to stay out.

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It's most likely not. You'll notice when Google split into Alphabet they kept YouTube profits hidden within Google.

kitsuneyo said:

Yep. Google Plus is arguably an even scarier example of how badly Stadia could turn out.

With Google Plus, Google jumped on a bandwagon (social media) purely because they wanted a slice of the pie, then spent 7 years and presumably a lot of money completely failing at it, wasting everyone's time along the way.

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'member when Google force-plastered Google+ to YouTube for commenting?

I did.

Clusterdreams said:

YouTube is really the fucking Wild West as far as media platforms go

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The Internet as a whole is still in it's "Wild West" phase, technically.

It's all up to what deals they can make with the publishers, and even more importantly how the monetization scheme works. If it provides value to at least some group that's willing to pay, it'll survive. They don't need Era gamers if they can get more money out of a more casual audience. We've seen before how these services are monetized, and they never make sense other than for people who don't have any gaming systems but are willing to pay a premium for a casual instant access experience. I think the biggest point of friction for Stadia is that for the optimal experience you do need that controller, and that's a big ask for the casual market it's likely targeting the most. I don't have a lot of faith that Stadia will offer reasonable value for people who already own a console or gaming PC. I can totally see Google just ditching Stadia in a few years if it doesn't pan out like so many other services, but I don't really see the same issues with it as with their policies around content creators.

Sounds like gatekeeping. Nothing will happen with gaming.

Don't worry If it's anything like Google's other products they will do it for you two years and then shut it down.

Alone the fact that Google wants to enter the gaming industry without actually making video games tells me all about this company i need to know. Not going to get a single cent from me.

The main problem with YouTube is that there isn't any relevant competing video plataform, creators have to accept everything because there is no other options. I dont see the same happening with games. If they are bad publishers will just ignore the plataform.

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Alone the fact that Google wants to enter the gaming industry without actually making video games tells me all about this company i need to know. Not going to get a single cent from me.

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I mean that's probably for the best because entirely new games that can only be played over streaming would mean games that can never be modified or preserved in any form. Even shut down online games can get preserved in private servers.

bane833 said:

Alone the fact that Google wants to enter the gaming industry without actually making video games tells me all about this company i need to know. Not going to get a single cent from me.

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You know they have a new development studio right? Oh... you know everything you need to know.

Don't forget that YouTube integration with Stadia raises serious antitrust concerns.

Plus I fully expect games on Stadia to be full of ads.

Given how Google has allowed Youtube to become one of the largest white supremacist platforms on this earth, I have zero reason to believe that the console experience would be any less toxic.

Mobius and Pet Octopus said:

You know they have a new development studio right? Oh... you know everything you need to know.

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They have one development studio. Wow, what an achievement. So maybe we´re going to see one video game produced by google 3 years from now. What a great day for the gaming industry that will be.

Eh, there are so many large scale issues that are present in the video creation community that aren't really issues in gaming. Most of the issues Google will face with streaming are technology issues - being able to correctly monetize on small scales for creators is inherently a much more different problem. I have faith that they'll do something interesting with gaming. They have legitimate people working on this.

I think it is different when they're the ones offering content. They're on the hook for that.

In their eyes they're not responsible for what appears on YouTube, so they let things ride until it hurts them directly or makes them look bad.

"With the way Sony makes TV i don't want them anywhere near Producing Music or Videogames"

i mean... i get it... but Google is a big company. It's not "THE Google" that is making all of the things...

Iichter said:

They'll kill a game/service whenever they feel like it, without any justification, just like they killed inbox for Gmail.

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To be fair, they do seem to have rolled the relevant features of Inbox into Gmail.

bane833 said:

They have one development studio. Wow, what an achievement. So maybe we´re going to see one video game produced by google 3 years from now. What a great day for the gaming industry that will be.

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Well they have to start Somewhere...

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Given how Google has allowed Youtube to become one of the largest white supremacist platforms on this earth, I have zero reason to believe that the console experience would be any less toxic.

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I dont even know what you are talking about, (probably PewDiePie?) I dont follow American political comentary, but having a private companies (especially with the reach of Google) deciding what is and what isn't acceptable tends to get very problematic, a lot of political discourse fall on a grey area. This kind of thing has to be decided on a goverment level with civil lawsuits and due process...

I understand not giving them the benefit of the doubt as a company, but I think there is a huge difference between operating an open platform that anyone can upload to, and a curated service. The former is a massive problem of scale and no company really gets it right. Various elements of society all have their justified reasons to loathe every single one of these open platforms. It's not just Google.

I would look to Google Play for an actual example of how Google behaves as a curated platform.

Yes, very different situations

curating x not curating

Pillock said:

Bit late now though as they are balls deep in our gaming mouths.

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I really have nothing to contribute to this thread so I should probably have stayed out.

But I think this quote needs repeating again .

I don't trust them to make a service and continue to provide it with updates as time goes on
I already regret subscribing to google play music since its been years and they're still yet to implement a Canadian student plan which competitors have had forever. Not to mention all their other flops, and the entirety of the disorder and overlap between services

You'll like this (or not):

YouTube has canceled plans for high-end dramas and comedies, people with knowledge of the matter said, a pullback from its grand ambitions for a paid service with Hollywood-quality shows.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...f-hollywood-arms-race-with-netflix-and-amazon

To be fair it's not as if Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo are innocent as well.

I think I'll wait to see how the service is before I pass judgement.

Get hype for rape day as your #1 recommendation because you watched a fem freq video.

Pillock said:

Bit late now though as they are balls deep in our gaming mouths.

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And we love it! Because "it's the future". For some reason.

kitsuneyo said:

Yep. Google Plus is arguably an even scarier example of how badly Stadia could turn out.

With Google Plus, Google jumped on a bandwagon (social media) purely because they wanted a slice of the pie, then spent 7 years and presumably a lot of money completely failing at it, wasting everyone's time along the way.

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The irony with that is that G+ was an arguably better social media platform, but by the time it was started Facebook and Twitter had already taken hold and people weren't willing to settle for something that "had less features".

I have to wonder if anyone ever though "hey, maybe Facebook is using my data incorrectly and I should jump to G+?" and then nobody is there anyway except us nerds and they just stayed put.

I agree with OP but wonder if it is a difference since Youtube was bought and Stadia was created by them so they can do it from the ground up.