The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street (Mafia) |OT| Suspicion can destroy

Aeleus said:

Telling the truth is fine and all when you're defending yourself from others for sure, but in every other circumstance this isn't the case, especially in day 1 there's never enough information to defenestrate someone based only on truthes and fact, town needs to go out on a limb, use half truths and pose accusations they don't actually entirely believe if we're ever to catch scum.

Every post you've made this game could have been made by scum with the same amount of effort that a town would put in. If this is all you've got right now (you didn't even give answer my questions :'/ ) after being away for so long, then it's getting more and more likely this day will end up with you being thrown out of a window.

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Town should pressure, vote and ask questions for sure but town should straight up not lie, liars get lynched and town doesn't need to play gambits to win. When you do that you create an environment where scum fits in better.

I missed your later post where you posed a few questions to me (you didn't quote me so I missed this) but I'll answer it now.

EzekelRAGE said:

Idk how to explain the fact that I know their flavor name along with their real name.

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I gotta say, zeke. I'm failing to see what anything regarding this claim even matters. You claimed something that is unverifiable unless your partner comes forward. Even if they do, it could be bullshit for all we know. If true, it would still say nothing about any of your allignments. You both could be scum for all we know. It's also not a useful claim either because it's a role that literally does nothing we can use, so claiming it or not does nothing for the game. As far as i'm aware from every Mafia game i've played or read in this community, everyone always has a harmless flavour name, so you knowing your partner's flavour name tells us nothing unless Monkey decided to brand scum with obvious flavour names that would make them easier for us to find. I don't see it. At the end of the day, we spent pages talking about something that matters next to nothing. It's at least different than usual day 1 nonsense but heh, idk if it's much better.

*exception to flavour names were the sleepwalkers in MafiEra, now that i think about it. We did get some kind of info out of them. Didn't tell us their allignment though.

Kopite said:

Town should pressure, vote and ask questions for sure but town should straight up not lie, liars get lynched and town doesn't need to play gambits to win. When you do that you create an environment where scum fits in better.

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Any examples of where you've done the underlined?

saenima said:

I gotta say, zeke. I'm failing to see what anything regarding this claim even matters. You claimed something that is unverifiable unless your partner comes forward. Even if they do, it could be bullshit for all we know. If true, it would still say nothing about any of your allignments. You both could be scum for all we know. It's also not a useful claim either because it's a role that literally does nothing we can use, so claiming it or not does nothing for the game. As far as i'm aware from every Mafia game i've played or read in this community, everyone always has a harmless flavour name, so you knowing your partner's flavour name tells us nothing unless Monkey decided to brand scum with obvious flavour names that would make them easier for us to find. I don't see it. At the end of the day, we spent pages talking about something that matters next to nothing. It's at least different than usual day 1 nonsense but heh, idk if it's much better.

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Anything about flavor you need to direct at fep. He was the one that wanted clarification.

Why I claimed meh I went over this already.

Good morning!

Kopite, FEPs, nice to see you guys.

Read lists, please. Now.

Aeleus said:

Couple questions for FEP and Kopite for when they get here:

1. Would you be willing to go for a round protect, invest kill with me, I'll start just to give you the idea of it

2. General thoughts on CapnNuevo, me, Z-Beat and each other

3. Any advice on how to deal with Jet Balloon in kingdom hearts 1, I've just finished neverland and I'm having some trouble dealing with it

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Protect: weemad because she seems like she's trying to solve the game , WhySoDevious because while he's not exactly been effective I highly doubt he's scum when he didn't realise scum could chat during the day
Investigate : Captain Nuevo, they're behaving somewhat Blargishlike with responses being very flavorlike rather than full of actual content (a personal nitpick), I'm feeling a scum/neutral vibe from them, Fireblend because their fishing of Zeke's role has been validly criticised and is somewhat suspect
Kill: I'd be happy to take out the low activity players like Zipped, feps and LP , if I had to choose I'd be LP as I've played games with the first 2 where they've been low activity initially and ended up being town. I'll read back through LPs posts after this and see what I can find.

2) For Cap, see above: Neutrallish vibes which arent great:
Aeleus: While I think you're line of thinking is townish, I'm not a fan of how you started your arguments against me when you mentioned I appeared to paly differently to when we were lovers. I don't think so at all, I had pretty similar activity there as well and I think I've sufficiently probed Zeke's story and don't think itw worth going back to too much.
Z-Beat: Completely flown under the radar for me, will have to look back at his posts

3) Despite multiple attempts, including one where I made it to the whale, can't get into the game at all

[HIGHLIGHT ]VOTE:Ynnek7 [ /HIGHLIGHT]

I've just read through your posts after noticing you mentioned me and it seems most of what you've posted has been flavor? It feels like padding to me, although I wonder if it's malicious just so you can coast by?

Ynnek7 said:

Kill: Kopite - Kopite seemed to start out strong to me, but looking over his posts it's mainly just discussing the possible chat and reacting to the No Eviction suggestions, and then the reactions to said reaction.

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This also feels a little odd to me. What did I say that made you read me as strong town? It feels like you're piggybacking on other people's reads on myself.

Oops

VOTE:Ynnek7

Fantomas said:

Good morning!

Kopite, FEPs, nice to see you guys.

Read lists, please. Now.

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I like making read lists but on D1 though?

Kopite said:

I like making read lists but on D1 though?

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Well, the Protect, Investigate, Kill works too. Just noticed you guys showed up but I still didn't really know where you stood on other players besides some arguments with Zeke.

Fantomas said:

Well, the Protect, Investigate, Kill works too. Just noticed you guys showed up but I still didn't really know where you stood on other players besides some arguments with Zeke.

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What do you think of Yenek and LP?

Kopite said:

What do you think of Yenek and LP?

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Ynnek has made some pretty barebones posts, like he's trying not to rock the boat too much. Definitely coasting.

LP is a meme. He can make 5 posts a day and somehow just stay on people's good sides enough to not get eliminated. I've only seen him as Neutral/Scum, I don't even know what his Town game looks like.

Gmorning! I'll catch up in a bit. For now just want to say I just noticed I have a meeting at exactly the time the day ends so I'll for sure be here for day end but have to leave like ~10 mins before.

Aeleus said:

Also WhySoDevious you suddenly jump back in and this is all you've got, if you have the time (sorry about the dog) could you respond to some of the questions posed to you (weemads and possibly my generic ones)

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Suddenly as in... I was awake at 1:00 AM waiting for the police to explain the situation with our neighbors who were blasting music and being drunkenly loud... so I skimmed the last page to see what was being discussed.

I'll go back and read through the last couple of pages.

I've had a rough 24 hours.

I am against voting for Fantomas, EzekialRAGE, and Weemadarthur. They are driving the game so I need more time to digest their play than day 1.

I'm neutral on WhysoDevious and Aeleus. I don't want them to go day 1, but I need to read more of their posts.

I have a null read on our new player, vincent alexander, and Z-beat.

I see FEP posted overnight, for me, so I need to read through all of those.

So what's up with the sudden votes on CaptainNuevo? Yeah I'd put him on my "might be scum" list because of the hot-take votes, but how close they were was weird. Its part of why i'm neutral on WSD and Aeleus. Its weird to me. It probably shouldn't be but when I reread the thread it stuck out.

Zippedpinhead said:

So what's up with the sudden votes on CaptainNuevo? Yeah I'd put him on my "might be scum" list because of the hot-take votes, but how close they were was weird. Its part of why i'm neutral on WSD and Aeleus. Its weird to me. It probably shouldn't be but when I reread the thread it stuck out.

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Well, the timeline was basically me asking some people for some thoughts, they pretty much all told me they thought bad things about Cap but none of them had votes down. I gave a rousing speech about the importance of Town voting, so then Cap caught some votes, he got a bit spicy about it, and hasn't been back since.

Kopite said:

I don't get you, you mention that your partner is a 'she', but the fact that there's only one she in the game (Wee) doesn't narrow it down for scum? And then you mention it doesn't matter either? Hell even if there were multiple shes in the game wouldn't admitting that a she is your partner be narrowing it down somewhat? Why did you just not say anything if you didnt want scum finding her?

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EzekelRAGE what feelings do you have about my commenting on whether your chat partner may be a she?

Kopite said:

low activity players like Zipped,

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Holy crap, that's the person i forgot. Zipped could be a candidate for me.

vote: whysodevious
I'm very sympathetic to your troubles. But the game part is not a sympathetic place.

Kopite zeke's phrasing was correct actually. He was VERY careful to offer no excess information. I don't have any issue with that, just with people who misread the grammar. Only thing is, I can't figure out why zeke won't tell me not to offer up my theories on his partner. If he's so careful with info, how has he missed my questioning? It was also stated with perfectly careful grammar.

saenima said:

I gotta say, zeke. I'm failing to see what anything regarding this claim even matters. You claimed something that is unverifiable unless your partner comes forward. Even if they do, it could be bullshit for all we know. If true, it would still say nothing about any of your allignments. You both could be scum for all we know. It's also not a useful claim either because it's a role that literally does nothing we can use, so claiming it or not does nothing for the game. As far as i'm aware from every Mafia game I've played or read in this community, everyone always has a harmless flavour name, so you knowing your partner's flavour name tells us nothing unless Monkey decided to brand scum with obvious flavour names that would make them easier for us to find. I don't see it. At the end of the day, we spent pages talking about something that matters next to nothing. It's at least different than usual day 1 nonsense but heh, idk if it's much better.

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I'm a fan of the discussion. In my opinion, if Zeke isn't scum, he is at least slathering himself in honey. It makes him an easy target, but if the town doesn't pressure and turn on him, scum will have to dial up the heat themselves to turn the town. Who else are they going to have as easy of a time pushing on folks? He's made himself an easy scapegoat for scum. Can work two ways though as we get further in the game, depending on if/when Zeke dies, and if he really does turn up innocent. If so, we have pages of folks going in on him. Nothing in the last few pages will give us a straight up answer, but....it's all useful in the puzzle.

The whole FEP/Zeke exchange on the last page is just rehashed noise but the vote by FEP is a bad look. Zeke is unhelpful but it doesn't mean he's scum.

Oh, good. The more inactive ones are back in.

Kopite D1 or not, you need to have a list so we know where your train of thought is at.

flatearthpandas I still pretty heavily doubt that Zeke's doing a scum play because something like this seems normal for Zeke. Part of me wants to move it elsewhere and the other part wants to issue an ultimatum through voting just to get the confirmation that seems to be plaguing everyone even though it goes against my better judgment.

Fantomas said:

Ynnek has made some pretty barebones posts, like he's trying not to rock the boat too much. Definitely coasting.

LP is a meme. He can make 5 posts a day and somehow just stay on people's good sides enough to not get eliminated. I've only seen him as Neutral/Scum, I don't even know what his Town game looks like.

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I mean, if I only have a handful of posts, it's not hard to go through them and make a read based on that. "He's only ever anti-town" is kind of lazy, tbh.

And I don't mean voting Zeke for a flip. I mean "confirm or my vote doesn't move" type of ultimatum. But again I don't like that idea

Lone_Prodigy said:

I mean, if I only have a handful of posts, it's not hard to go through them and make a read based on that. "He's only ever anti-town" is kind of lazy, tbh.

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That's the thing though, I've been duped into thinking "Ah, LP is making some good points here, he's probably Town!" but you were Scum the whole time! You're good at it, it's hard for me to get a read on you from your posts because you could easily be faking this.

CaptainNuevo said:

On a related note, Fireblend's almost complete ignorance of my antics is somewhat concerning. I'm out there doing weird shit and all I get is a "lol i love you cap" in response. I'm hurt. hurt. Also it feels like he's trying to butter me up. If only I could have another vote I'd be tempted to direct it thataways, alas, I'm not gifted in that way.

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Reminds me of Mansion Mafia and the double votes.

Do you have a double vote, CaptainNuevo?

Vote: flatearthpandas

For now because I'm not big on the tunnel for Zeke despite your points being sorta correct. Also what are your thoughts on the other conversations that have gone on (fireblend and saenima, wee and wsd, etc.)

Fantomas said:

I was Scum in that game! Any questions?

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What were some of the roles that the mods suggested they could claim?

WhySoDevious said:

What were some of the roles that the mods suggested they could claim?

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Don't waste your time on irrelevant game history. Give me your read of zeke please.

I'm feeling very tired, will be around for an hour or so but probably not much longer. Will do my best for end of day

Fantomas said:

Well, the Protect, Investigate, Kill works too. Just noticed you guys showed up but I still didn't really know where you stood on other players besides some arguments with Zeke.

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I did the game thing already.

While I don't see Zeke as scum...maybe...he is absolutely on my Investigate list. After all of this, what kind of person could resist taking a peak to find out what the hell he is up to?

weemadarthur said:

Devious, I want your opinion. [when your dog is okay] Do you believe Zeke is scum?

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Unsure at the moment.

Going by my love of Survivor, you tend to vote out the power couples cause they tend to hold a lot of power in the votes.

Here, I dunno.

There's still the possibility that one of them is scum. It could be Zeke. Or it could not be. But in the latter case, I'd hate for scum to have a way to influence Zeke's vote by pretending to be town and coordinating a vote together that could hurt us.

I dunno if that makes sense.

They're a power couple in the game, and I'd prefer that there weren't any.

WhySoDevious said:

What were some of the roles that the mods suggested they could claim?

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Let's see, just went and checked and they were Loved, Switcher, Medium, Coroner, and Vanilla.

The main point is that they are roles that could easily exist and don't appear to be Scum roles, or wouldn't have to be. This makes it so that the game cannot be solved with everyone just mass claiming on D1 because Scum has cover to hide behind.

flatearthpandas said:

I did the game thing already.

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Yes, I just went back and grabbed your quotes actually because I was hoping to get you to expand on some of this:

flatearthpandas said:

Voting out inactives d1, unusual play for the community. Do it, cowards.

I haven't been lurking, just caught up on the thread. Been busy. Seeing as I just read through on the train need some time to let thoughts settle. I don't like that there's still info missing from Zeke's claim but not enough to say he's scum. Just still wondering what was useful about it. I guess febe's pressure. Eyebrow raised at WSD's ignorant therefore innocent move. Any scum want to weigh in on whether or not that chat is open during the day?

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flatearthpandas said:

Vote: EzekelRAGE
Reasoning is completely backasswards with actions. Calling bullshit in all this fuckery.

To round out, Aeleus' request (i think)

Investigate: WSD
Protect: Fantomas

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So, what are your thoughts on Fireblend in relation to Zeke's claim, and what do you think of WSD's play outside of the "ignorant = innocence" thing?

Vincent Alexander said:

I'm a fan of the discussion. In my opinion, if Zeke isn't scum, he is at least slathering himself in honey. It makes him an easy target, but if the town doesn't pressure and turn on him, scum will have to dial up the heat themselves to turn the town. Who else are they going to have as easy of a time pushing on folks? He's made himself an easy scapegoat for scum. Can work two ways though as we get further in the game, depending on if/when Zeke dies, and if he really does turn up innocent. If so, we have pages of folks going in on him. Nothing in the last few pages will give us a straight up answer, but....it's all useful in the puzzle.

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This makes some sense though i'm not so sure that someone going after zeke for this claim is allignment indicative. His claim says noyhing about his allignment imo.

But i gotta say that when end game comes people tend to just omgus the hell out of everyone instead of reading back on those first days :/

Kopite said:

This also feels a little odd to me. What did I say that made you read me as strong town? It feels like you're piggybacking on other people's reads on myself.

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Does it matter when the conclusion is the reverse, anyway?

weemadarthur said:

I'd vote to remove the less useful person. So far. Pretty sure that's not me.

If devious can't come back, and zeke keeps ignoring me, i'm going to be very upset. All i've asked is for their reads. [hope the dog is ok tho].

I can't defend kopite.
Fep's two words both seemed like his town self.
Z beat seems fine and like his town self too.
I've gone back and forth on aeleus.
Would keep fanto.
Not happy about stuvincent or saenima, as previously stated.
I thought LP and captain gave actual contributions when they showed up so they're not on my current shitlist.
Fireblend is not very towny, he isn't doing anything but try to seem agreeable, and that tends to be his scum self. I don't see him proposing new content, or asking deep questions.
Kenny wasn't triggering my scumsense but i don't care much about him either.
On balance i currently think zeke may be town.....maybe.
Not thrilled with devious.
If i missed anyone that isn't a great sign of their presence in the game.

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In this wall of text, the word devious gets lost, so I might not catch a question, unless I'm going real slow through the posts, like I am doing now.

If you could @ or use WSD - that second one sticks out better, but not if it's the middle of a wall of text.

WhySoDevious said:

There's still the possibility that one of them is scum. It could be Zeke. Or it could not be. But in the latter case, I'd hate for scum to have a way to influence Zeke's vote by pretending to be town and coordinating a vote together that could hurt us.

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Do you think zeke's chat partner [alleged] is scum?

WhySoDevious said:

In this wall of text, the word devious gets lost, so I might not catch a question, unless I'm going real slow through the posts, like I am doing now.

If you could @ or use WSD - that second one sticks out better, but not if it's the middle of a wall of text.

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That one didn't even have a question in. I gave you notifications using post quotes. And if you're not reading the game properly, what use will you be to my team?

Z-Beat said:

Vote: flatearthpandas

For now because I'm not big on the tunnel for Zeke despite your points being sorta correct. Also what are your thoughts on the other conversations that have gone on (fireblend and saenima, wee and wsd, etc.)

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lol wtf

fireblend I don't have much on. Don't feel any of the criticisms the are really wrong but nothing really jumped for me either. Saenima I feel vaguely positive about but would need to reread for a better take. Wee I feel neutral about. Have already commented on wsd, not a fan right now.

WhySoDevious also is your dog doing okay today? You said it was a minor procedure but i think i care more about a dog i've never met than today's defenstration at the moment. ;)

Ynnek7 said:

Investigate: EzekalRAGE/WhySoDevious - Ezekal for his bringing up the chat right at the start of the day, and WSD since I've noticed a few people having trouble reading him.

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I'd really welcome an investigation on me.

Seriously.

saenima said:

But i gotta say that when end game comes people tend to just omgus the hell out of everyone instead of reading back on those first days :/

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Lol at this statement coming from you, in this game.

WhySoDevious said:

I'd really welcome an investigation on me.

Seriously.

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Which may just mean godfather, so isn't helpful to town to hear.

WhySoDevious I'm sorry about your dog

weemadarthur said:

Lol at this statement coming from you, in this game.

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Are you just gonna throw vague shade like this or would you elaborate on what you mean?

Fantomas said:

Let's see, just went and checked and they were Loved, Switcher, Medium, Coroner, and Vanilla.

The main point is that they are roles that could easily exist and don't appear to be Scum roles, or wouldn't have to be. This makes it so that the game cannot be solved with everyone just mass claiming on D1 because Scum has cover to hide behind.

Yes, I just went back and grabbed your quotes actually because I was hoping to get you to expand on some of this:


So, what are your thoughts on Fireblend in relation to Zeke's claim, and what do you think of WSD's play outside of the "ignorant = innocence" thing?

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I need to reread the febe exchange. As soon as I finished reading before I got baited into wasting a bunch of time talking to zeke and now I've just finished work so give me a bit

Aeleus said:

Also WhySoDevious you suddenly jump back in and this is all you've got, if you have the time (sorry about the dog) could you respond to some of the questions posed to you (weemads and possibly my generic ones)

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I think I found all of wee's questions, but I don't think I found yours. Care to ask them again?

flatearthpandas said:

lol wtf

fireblend I don't have much on. Don't feel any of the criticisms the are really wrong but nothing really jumped for me either. Saenima I feel vaguely positive about but would need to reread for a better take. Wee I feel neutral about. Have already commented on wsd, not a fan right now.

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Whatare your thoughts on captain?

Kopite said:

I don't get you, you mention that your partner is a 'she', but the fact that there's only one she in the game (Wee) doesn't narrow it down for scum? And then you mention it doesn't matter either? Hell even if there were multiple shes in the game wouldn't admitting that a she is your partner be narrowing it down somewhat? Why did you just not say anything if you didnt want scum finding her?

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In Mafia scum, my flavor name was female.

Any chance that some of the people here got female names as flavor?

Mine is male.