It's a shame that even though you pay premium for OLED, the Panels are the same as with every other technology, lottery.
Mine is mostly fine too, just a bit of banding and weird defect at top right which doesn't show up on other than 5% Gray.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Mine is mostly fine too, just a bit of banding and weird defect at top right which doesn't show up on other than 5% Gray.
Still pondering the 900. I've got a back log of enhanced games waiting for the upgrade.
How are the speakers? I'm not expecting cinema quality, but are they dog shit or decent?
How are the speakers? I'm not expecting cinema quality, but are they dog shit or decent?
In a similar boat over here with my B7. The left third of my screen is slightly warmer than the rest, but like you said, it's only ever visible on an all-white screen. It does really suck that despite OLED being a premium display technology, the panel lottery is still in full effect.
Yea, was checking out Destiny 2 earlier and it was very noticeable in the white title screen. Ah well, glad I got it with the sale price at least. If it was full price, I might've broken the screen myself and got it exchanged, lmao.
We could be dealing with bad vertical banding issues instead, so I think it's best to just cut our losses haha.
I've still got that weird panel bonding issue in the corner of my screen, and I'm honestly reconsidering having it replaced just because I'm nervous about getting an inferior panel.
I don't think it supports Dolby Vision, so not for me. Thank you for the suggestion, though.
After reading about issues people have with the LG B7/C7 panel lottery stuff, I'm becoming more hesitant about exchanging my TCL P605 for an LG C7. Has anyone here had both and can comment on the increase in quality? I would be sticking with 55 inches. I'm particularly worried about ABL, as that is a "feature" I really don't like, along with gray uniformity/DSE.
Anyone knowledgeable about the Samsung TV model numbers?
I know that for 2016 models, KS8000 in the US is KS7000 in the UK or something.
Is it the same for the 2017 models? My friend is getting the MU7000 in Europe. Is it the same as the MU7000 in the US?
I know that for 2016 models, KS8000 in the US is KS7000 in the UK or something.
Is it the same for the 2017 models? My friend is getting the MU7000 in Europe. Is it the same as the MU7000 in the US?
Is that panel bonding issue only noticeable with certain images? Like the grayscale tests or regular viewing?
Even less than that: it's only noticeable with very particular images (like uniform grey backgrounds) and only really visible when you're within two feet of the screen. So having it replaced would be more on principle than anything else. But now I'm really afraid of getting back a far worse panel, especially because I'm happy with my panel uniformity, so I'll probably just keep it.
It's visible on any kind of uniform mid-toned content at a medium APL and lower (scroll down album for real world example). Bright content and busy texture drowns it out though. The effected area in the unit pictured covers several square inches and is not something I would ever keep.
No, Samsung changed the model hierarchy in 2017, the Q-series replaced the KS8000 and higher. The US MU8000 is more similar to the 2016 KS6000's than the KS8000. The MU's are the "value" line in terms of performance.
In my experience these impurities are down to the anti-reflective coating, not the panel. All the units I've had and seen produce significant white balance and skin tone shifts as you alter your viewing angle. What appears yellowish on your left should change to take on a green, red, or much more neutral tone as you move and lean your head around (especially if you physically walk around).
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My previous screen was yellowish on the left too, the one I have right now is pinkish on the right.
If you're looking for defects, you'll eventually find some.
What's making go crazy with the new screen is that the black are slightly crushed and I can't decide between 2.2 and 2.4 gamma levels.
I keep switching between the two and don't know which one I like more.
I already done the first 4hours maintenance.
I wonder how average people are using those TV, the level of knowledge and setting you need to do in order to not fuck up your image is insane.
You have to fiddle with the settings of each port, then you have to set hdmi deep color in another menu, then there the settings for HDR and Dolby Vision, there's also lots of modes that can be individually customized, you add to that the PC input setting that also need to be set individually on top of the others.
Even with some AV knowledge, there are some traps you can easily fall into.
Edit: Damn you all, I have the issue on the top right corner, I'm not going through another exchange. The issue is invisible if I'm not looking for it.
My uniformity is quite good too, so it's time to enjoy my movies and games and stop worrying about all that.
If you're looking for defects, you'll eventually find some.
What's making go crazy with the new screen is that the black are slightly crushed and I can't decide between 2.2 and 2.4 gamma levels.
I keep switching between the two and don't know which one I like more.
I already done the first 4hours maintenance.
I wonder how average people are using those TV, the level of knowledge and setting you need to do in order to not fuck up your image is insane.
You have to fiddle with the settings of each port, then you have to set hdmi deep color in another menu, then there the settings for HDR and Dolby Vision, there's also lots of modes that can be individually customized, you add to that the PC input setting that also need to be set individually on top of the others.
Even with some AV knowledge, there are some traps you can easily fall into.
Edit: Damn you all, I have the issue on the top right corner, I'm not going through another exchange. The issue is invisible if I'm not looking for it.
My uniformity is quite good too, so it's time to enjoy my movies and games and stop worrying about all that.
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Interesting! That's actually far more severe than mine is, and also covers a much greater area too. I wonder if it's due to screen-size.
That was my first unit, it's a 55". On my current, only the corner proper is effected and the area is just a couple millimeters square, which was not worth the hassle of another exchange. It is still visible on the same types of content if you know it's there and get close enough to see it though.
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Damn, lots of people have this issue, I wonder what the hell is going on at LG?
I also had problems with yellow tint on my C7, a thick horizontal line of yellow tint wich could only be noticed when viewing white content, such as snow or clouds. So I knew I wouldn't be happy accepting this and now I am waiting for my X930E to arrive this tuesday!
I mean, don't all LG oled sets have this. Unless you see it during normal media it really doesn't matter.
If I didn't read this thread, I think I will never have noticed it.
Near black and low IRE banding effects "all" units to some degree, but I'm pretty confident these localized upper right corner splotches (which I believe is what his picture are intended to illustrate) are panel or manufacturing defects that do not effect a majority of units.
I did an exchange with Best Buy. They will pick up my TCL P605 on Wednesday and deliver the LG C7 on the same day. I think I should stop looking at this thread so I don't start looking for issues I otherwise wouldn't have noticed. :P Hopefully I get a good set, as even though Best Buy made this whole process very easy, I'd rather not have to do it again.
Yes, old bug that we already had on the 2016 sets.
No HDMI cable included.
So I have been having an audio issue with my LG B7a and my Logitech Z906 speakers connected through Digital Optical.
Every once in a while when I turn it on, like right now, I don't get any audio from certain inputs. Right now I can turn on the Netflix app or the Switch and it will play audio correctly, but I cannot hear my PC connect to another HDMI input.
It will fix itself and some other day the PC will have sound and the console or Netflix wont and I can't tell why.
Turning off the TV or even switching back to the Internal TV speakers when it happens does not fix it for me it is just time and luck. Somedays everything works correctly. When it happens to one inputs it won't fix itself no matter if I turn TV, Console, Speakers off.
Why would this happens on certain inputs and at certain time without any way to trouble shoot it?
edit: I also run the internal speaker test from the menu when on the PC input right now that it doesn't have sound and the sound test works correctly, but even when I switch back to Internal TV speakers no audio. Taking the HDMI cable out and in does nothing either,
Every once in a while when I turn it on, like right now, I don't get any audio from certain inputs. Right now I can turn on the Netflix app or the Switch and it will play audio correctly, but I cannot hear my PC connect to another HDMI input.
It will fix itself and some other day the PC will have sound and the console or Netflix wont and I can't tell why.
Turning off the TV or even switching back to the Internal TV speakers when it happens does not fix it for me it is just time and luck. Somedays everything works correctly. When it happens to one inputs it won't fix itself no matter if I turn TV, Console, Speakers off.
Why would this happens on certain inputs and at certain time without any way to trouble shoot it?
edit: I also run the internal speaker test from the menu when on the PC input right now that it doesn't have sound and the sound test works correctly, but even when I switch back to Internal TV speakers no audio. Taking the HDMI cable out and in does nothing either,
If I were to switch my Xbox One X from my 4K TV to my 1080p monitor does the system automatically save all my 4K settings and load up a 1080p preset and then vice versa so if I want to switch back and forth it would be seamless or would shit not save and it would be a pain in the ass?
Has anyone with a B6 updated to the latest FW? Some people say it ruins black level and others say they can't tell the difference.
OK, I have another more speculative question because I've decided to wait to see what the 2018 OLED TV models bring. I'm lead to believe that 4K isn't possible over certain HDMI cable lengths? My computer is currently the other side of my living room and I currently have a cable running around the walls roughly 10 metres long I think.
From what I learned during my research, you can still get longer HDMI cables for 4K but they need to be good quality and they even sell some that are powered for the signal to go through. I think there are also fiber optic ones? They're expensive tho. Def go read up on that.
So I figured out my problem with not getting HDR from my pc over hdmi and I feel stupid (x900e). There's a setting in the tv that you have to turn on to enable the 'enhanced' hdmi on ports 2 and 3 (that allow hdr at 4k/60, otherwise you can only get it in very specific resolutions through windows). Stupid that it's off by default, not sure what the point is there.
Yeah so did I, buying the tv gives you that. But as far as I can tell you can't actuall yplay it in hdr through the tv app. Weird.
Yeah so did I, buying the tv gives you that. But as far as I can tell you can't actuall yplay it in hdr through the tv app. Weird.
Any rumors on new tvs coming in january? Hoping the base Sony
model equivalent to the x800 gets fald
model equivalent to the x800 gets fald
Loving my 900e 65in TV. For all those on the fence I would definitely recommend it. OLED is just not an option for me because I'm horrible with leaving things on and don't want to worry about it.
I do have a question for the 900e owners. Can you play on a game system and watch TV in the picture-in-picture option?
I do have a question for the 900e owners. Can you play on a game system and watch TV in the picture-in-picture option?
There's nothing speculative, plenty of people have first hand experience hitting the bandwidth ceiling of longer cables (myself included). Any piece of crap cable should carry 4K/60 4:2:0 (same bandwidth requirement as 1080p/60 RGB), but to carry 4K/60 RGB or 4:4:4 you need a cable rated for full 18Gbps. Most random passive cables on Amazon will fail that requirement around 15 feet (give or take 5'). Monoprice does sell cheap passive cables that are full bandwidth certified up to 25' if you can make that work, but it's a pretty rigid and thick cable. Otherwise you will have to get an active cable that will probably work, but can be finicky with certain sources, displays, and copy protection. Now if the 2018 models feature a pseudo-HDMI 2.1 chipset with >18Gbps for potential firmware upgradable features, you're opening a whole 'nother can of worms that would be purely speculative.
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I have a question I'm hoping one of you lovelely people will answer (Google let me down).
When I load up ESO Morrowind on my X, my TV switches to 4K output and displays the following briefly: 3840x2160/60Hz/HDR(PQ).
I know what most of it means but the 'PQ' has me stumped. Is it simply Picture Quality?
When I load up ESO Morrowind on my X, my TV switches to 4K output and displays the following briefly: 3840x2160/60Hz/HDR(PQ).
I know what most of it means but the 'PQ' has me stumped. Is it simply Picture Quality?
Could it stand for Perceptual Quantizer, a HDR transfer function? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-dynamic-range_video#Standards
I did and it elevated black levels for HDR and DV material, so I downgraded again.
Connect your accounts to Movies Anywhere and then I think you should be able to watch via the 4K Ultra app on the TV. Still stupid that Google doesn't support HDR for Google Play movies on their own platform.
Edit: or the Amazon app, but they have a bug in their app that HDR movies have gray letterbox bars on steak of black.
^or the YouTube App. Fuck Google and Sony too. Android TV has so much potential but such a waste. I would rather Sony just license WebOS from LG for the next go around. LG has always been great software wise. Once gave me a cheque when a promised Blu-ray profile update wouldn't happen as promised for their HD DVD/Blu-ray combo player. They've done great work with WebOS since buying from HP/Palm as well.
Just wanted to skim in here and say that the Sony A1 is probably the best thing since warm bread. I have this TV for a few weeks now and I'm still constantly blown away.
- Games looks absolutely phenomenal (weather in 1080p or 4k) and with HDR enabled it's like a generational leap without a new console. I mean, I'm 50 hours in AC Origins and STILL just wonder around often and marvel at the graphics.
- The surround sound out of the TV screen is absolutely mindblowing. I just watched Serenity and it's like having a surround sound set up without actually having one.
- Surround sound in games is so good I actually prefer it to my headphones. I just so fucking good.
- Normal BluRays blow me away - especially the newer ones. Saw Episode VII the other day and.... oh my fucking god.... Don't even want to talk about Avatar. Made me forget all about 3D and sell my old Panasonic a few days later.
That TV is a piece of marvel. I always wanted to buy a Sony TV but this I really didn't expect. I honestly never paid much attention to picture quality and such. I usually just wanted to see the movie. Now I will never be able to go back. The only negative thing I can say about this TV is the slight banding it has - but from what I hear every OLED has it at least a bit. Thankfully it's really only visible when the pictures is close to 5% greyscale, which is not that often. I usually just notice it in certain scenes in a few games. In movies almost never.
I have never bought a TV this expensive (cost me 3k EUR, which is a lot for me) and don't regret a single Cent. If you have the money, buy this TV. It's absolutely amazing. Picture, Sound, Design, Build Quality - everything is top notch. I love this thing.
- Games looks absolutely phenomenal (weather in 1080p or 4k) and with HDR enabled it's like a generational leap without a new console. I mean, I'm 50 hours in AC Origins and STILL just wonder around often and marvel at the graphics.
- The surround sound out of the TV screen is absolutely mindblowing. I just watched Serenity and it's like having a surround sound set up without actually having one.
- Surround sound in games is so good I actually prefer it to my headphones. I just so fucking good.
- Normal BluRays blow me away - especially the newer ones. Saw Episode VII the other day and.... oh my fucking god.... Don't even want to talk about Avatar. Made me forget all about 3D and sell my old Panasonic a few days later.
That TV is a piece of marvel. I always wanted to buy a Sony TV but this I really didn't expect. I honestly never paid much attention to picture quality and such. I usually just wanted to see the movie. Now I will never be able to go back. The only negative thing I can say about this TV is the slight banding it has - but from what I hear every OLED has it at least a bit. Thankfully it's really only visible when the pictures is close to 5% greyscale, which is not that often. I usually just notice it in certain scenes in a few games. In movies almost never.
I have never bought a TV this expensive (cost me 3k EUR, which is a lot for me) and don't regret a single Cent. If you have the money, buy this TV. It's absolutely amazing. Picture, Sound, Design, Build Quality - everything is top notch. I love this thing.
If you have a PS4pro, the input lag is a non-issue. It only climbs to 55ms if you use a console with non-4k output because the TV upscales the picture - and it does it really well. So while this may be an issue with games if you use older consoles, it's a giant pro when it comes to movies. The upscaler is fantastic. Even DVDs look great.
This is also a non-issue. I didn't notice it having a little angle after a few minutes (!).
That said, apparently the A1 has a better build quality. Heard from a lot of people who had issues with the LG OLEDs and next to none from people owning the A1. So the extra markup might indeed be worth it long term.
That looks like a winner. I don't understand it too much but I'm assuming it's a good thing. Thanks for the help :)
My Pro was unable to get HDR working on my X900E. Option was blacked out with ACO and Horizon.
Just restarted both and it was fine. Just odd that it would happen.
Any idea why? Should I be worried?
Just restarted both and it was fine. Just odd that it would happen.
Any idea why? Should I be worried?
I appreciate the app selection with Android (specifically apps like Kodi and DS Video). But, Google is infamous in all areas for not integrating their different products and services well. This one should be obvious.
I'm considering using an Apple TV 4k, even though I'm not an Apple guy. It also has the advantage of converting DV to HDR10 for anything that doesn't have a native HDR10 version.
I like the selection and utility as well. But the apps are horrendously undesigned for television use unlike WebOS or Samsung Tizen. Google isn't some bandleader. They're treating Android TV like shit. They had done good work with their Nexus and now Pixel lines but I think this also speaks to Sony's weakness in software too. Would rather just use Android TV and pay less in licensing than others and not worry about developing their own. Everyday the more I use Android TV and the more I see/use Tizen or WebOS, I just think such a wasted opportunity.
Huh? I don't see any indication that the movies anywhere account connects to the 4k app. I can see the movies in Vudu, google and some in Amazon, but not the 4k one.
Hmm. I bought Spider-Man on Vudu (got the TV before Spider-Man was available, so didn't get that free) and it shows up in my 4K app.
I guess, while Movies Anywhere helps, the digital movie landscape is still a but confusing.
Tested Game Mode and the HDR dimming doesn't seem to be a big deal to me. Played some MonHun World Beta with HDR and the day time is nice and bright even at default game video setting.
Also played plenty of D2 and did some practice in OW. D2 def felt great with the lower input lag and OW also felt good. Altho OW looks way worse now on PS4 on an OLED. Not really noticeable in a match but the characters in the menu screen look awful lol
Also played plenty of D2 and did some practice in OW. D2 def felt great with the lower input lag and OW also felt good. Altho OW looks way worse now on PS4 on an OLED. Not really noticeable in a match but the characters in the menu screen look awful lol
Oh I think vudu and 4k app both link to ultra violet, but google play doesnt even though it links to movies anywhere.
It's def confusing, but something to keep an eye on in the future. I either need to get films that somehow link to amazon, google play or ultraviolet it seems.
That's because a lot of people are buying the LG sets in comparison - hence, more people with issues. That's just technology. If you read AVS Forums, there are quite a few horror stories about the A1 too, in particular banding.
If money is no object, then definitely the Sony is the way to go though. There's no way it justifies the extra cost though in my opinion. A good 1000 notes more here.
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