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Owari

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Yep, also recently there was a story about a young kid who committed suicide because of constant bullying. Her bullies even made fake social media accounts about her. Even after she took her own life, the bullying continued. Just heartwrenching.
As much as I hate to put the blame on one element: it's the parents. Giving kids unbridled internet access is shitty parenting. Letting your kid become a bully/not being aware of what your kid is up to, is shitty parenting. The schools need to step up too because the parents aren't around during those hours, but the parenting is what begins this shitty cycle.
 

Mgs2master2

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I vaguely recall tattling on bullies being punishable somehow.

It was when I was younger. I still remember an incident where I was beat up and a huge bruise was on my arm. When I went to tell the teacher, I was the one sent to the office and Suspended for a day for "being a tattle tale". When I came it's if the status quo never changed. I was also told I can't tell anyone about an incident.


Now I think about it, my elementary school was awful.
 

Snack12367

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I was bullied pretty bad growing up because I had awful acne. I got beat up and had to beat up a few bullies. It never really went away until I left school.

The one thing I had going for me is being tall. It meant that bullies had to group up to attack me.

Two worst situations to happen to me.

1. I almost got knocked unconscious during a lesson. The teacher stepped out and one of them grabbed a lead pipe and strangled me with it. My vision started to go and I ended up having to push the guy on top of a soldering guns that were on. He got second degree burns and I got suspended. What I remember is being helpless and no one helping me. I tried to ask for help but I could speak and people just watched. He wasn't even one of the worse bullies, but today he just decided to try and kill me. I don't know if that was his intent, but it's one of the handful of times where I have actually feared for me life.

2. I was in the woods outside my school. It's not allowed, but everyone did it. I was playing on a gameboy when I felt something hit the back of my head. I fell down and two people just started kicking me. I lashed out and hit one of them in the knee. The next thing I know one of them has picked up a log and thrown it at my face. It hits my right eye. At this point I peace the fuck out and get to the nurse. They hold me up in the nurse station for the rest of the day. By the end of it it looks like my eye has been through three rounds with Mike Tyson. The kids didn't get expelled but they did leave at the end of the year. This was completely unprompted as far as I'm aware.

These two instances made me realise that I needed to be able to defend myself. I dealt with words with wit. You get a sort of self-deprecating humor after a bit that defuses most bullies. If you laugh at yourself it's no fun for them. I also made sure I knew how to throw a punch and defend myself. I took boxing lessons and whilst I never ended up using that training it did give me the confidence to deal with them.

People thought because I was taller than most of my year by a foot I could never get bullied. The teachers knew different though and most of the time there was an incident they sided with me. It was tough, but I got through it. As a parent though, if my kid told me what I was going through, I didn't tell my parents, but if my child goes through the same thing, i'm not sure how I could handle it myself.
 
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My brother was picked on as a kid and was hit all the time. When my parents complained to the administrators they did nothing to the bully. The one time he punched back he was the one who got suspended for a day. I believe my parents took him to the amusement park that day...
 

Shrubchicken

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I'm glad my son is fairly popular and doesn't have to deal with that yet. Very diverse little group too. We stay on him though. I don't let him get into that Youtube culture and I try my best to teach him to be accepting and welcoming with others. So far, it's been working as his teachers always praise his ability to get along with everyone, so I hope he stays that way. We encourage it in the home though.

Yeah, I am not ignoring your experiences but this is great to read. It sounds like your kid has a solid head on his shoulders, and that he has great parents. I know you are not doing it for me personally but thank you.
 

gfxtwin

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It's only 7am and I can guarantee this will be the most nonsensical shit I will read all day

k.

Nobody expects the victim to be a good fighter, it is more about the image that you simply won't take it anymore and will retaliate so they leave you alone. Also, taking control back in your life is a big part of it.

I will kindly point you to the post below. You don't seem to understand that talking often doesn't do anything as bullies know they always win, be it talking or physical. If you get physical get will just cry and point at you being the bad guy even though they are harassing you on a daily basis and make your life hell just because they find it funny. Also has nothing to do with "adult world" or anything, if you consider bullying the adult world then truly society has taken a bad turn.
From my personal experience, attacking their ego or using knowledge never earns you anything in these situations. The bullies often are simply to dumb, arrogant, ignorant or blind to understand what you are saying. Me saying "What you are doing is wrong because x, x, x." doesn't change anything, they will simply ignore it and laugh at you.

Also, the bullies have no control over who or why they bully someone? o.O

Sorry if I got emotional there, I am just speaking from personal experience. I hope you can understand that.





They simply aren't "winners" or anything. They are a product of society where you can't properly fight back and "just have to take it", which is very, very sad in my opinion. =/


I mean, some replies in this thread were communicating little more than "learn how to fight and put the bully in his place", so yes, some users are saying that, and they are mostly whom my post was a response to.

I feel you, and as someone who has been beaten up literally more times than I can remember for being "a pussy", "queer", etc, I can definitely understand that. :(

But nowhere did I even remotely suggest that bullying is "the way of the adult world". If you skim my post again you'll see I'm clearly saying the opposite (not that bullying doesn't still happen, but it of course tends to be carried out by those of lower maturity levels).

We seem to be in agreement about how to deal with bullying so I'm not sure why we are debating this, but for the sake of discussion I'dd add a bit more:

Yes, there's many types of bullying and bullies. I'd argue that some behavior considered to be bullying is ok and depends on context, intent and the character of the person doing it and what point is trying to be make. Sometimes bullies are misguided. Sometimes they are psychotic/sociopathic. Sometimes we are the bully in a given situation. Yes, the problem usually takes root at home and yes, bullying can be complex and often morally gray.

The type of bully you seem to be most alluding to is a Trump-esque alpha person who is incapable of change. They have a life philosophy of of using power to their advantage and that's because society allows it to work for them. They "win" by employing that mentality and gain socioeconomic benefits from that behavior so of course they don't understand the perspective of someone who is not egotistical but sensitive and kind.

But while some power-hungry bullies like that will never be checked due to the bubble of systemic privilege they live in, in most places, at most jobs, in most social groups, that behavior isn't tolerated after a certain age. So my initial point, similar to the point the user you quoted arrived at at the end of their post, remains that bullying won't end unless a stand is made against it. And I would say it's important for a young victim of bullying to play the game of subverting their power via psychology/wit/humor, etc, because eventually that is viewed as the most healthy and constructive way of dealing with such behavior, or, if nothing else, emotionally protecting yourself from it. This is because in recent history it been proven to be one of the more effective ways of facilitating change in society. If your answer to bullying when growing up has always been via responding with your fists, then, well, you're gonna have a tougher time getting through your adult life. *shrug*
 
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Skel1ingt0n

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I was *very* popular in elementary school. All the clubs. My teachers loved me. I did after-school activities. My mom always had the "cool group" for field trips. I was student class vice president. I moved a lot because my dad was in the military, but I always very quickly grew in popularity when I moved before 3rd grade, before 4th, and before 6th.

But... then, I had the unfortunate displeasure of moving in the middle of a school year (rather than between years in the summer). With two months left in the 7th grade year, I had to just show up in class in the middle of a Wednesday, and somehow survive. The kids were awful. I was a "faggot," a cock-sucker, a pussy. I wore "gay shoes," I had unfashionable clothes. Nobody would sit next to me at lunch. Nobody would be in my group in gym. The worst were kids asking me questions and I knew the only reason they were asking me things was to find new ammunition to make fun of me with. And ON TOP OF THAT, my parents were getting divorced back home.

Dudes, I cried pretty much every single night. I'll happily admit it. I was in 7th grade and I fucking HATED it. And it felt so unfair, because I never picked on kids when I was popular. In 5th grade, there was this girl the whole class made fun of every single day. And I admit, I didn't do anything to defend her... but I didn't join in. End of year, and we had a couple hours dedicated on the playground for year book signing. And of course, everyone is signing mine and vice versa. This unpopular girl is sitting against the building by herself, just flipping through the pages. This goes on for 20 minutes. I walk over to her, and ask if I can sign her year book. She hands me hers, and I knew in that moment she was deathly afraid... I could feel she was on the verge of tears if I wrote anything mean. I did not. I wrote something along the lines of feeling bad we didn't talk more during the year, but I thought she was very smart and I hope she has a great summer. I handed it back, and here I am - 20 something years later - and I will never forget the smile she gave me. After that, every single kid around me asked to sign her book, too, and to have her sign theirs.

I didn't "deserve" to get picked on.

That sounds mean. I realize that. Nobody "deserves" it. But I wasn't fat. I wasn't poor. I wasn't ugly. I could talk to people. I didn't have a stutter. I was pretty smart without being a show-off. I wasn't a goody-good. I wasn't a tattle tale. I wasn't gay. I wasn't a minority. I wasn't handicapped. I don't mean to say any of those individuals are more deserving. I mean to say that kids are indiscriminate when it comes to picking on others. It can truly happen to anyone. No matter how hard you try as a parent. No matter how your kid handles themselves. They can fall victim to the cycle of bullying.

You know what got me by? I had a super supportive mother. My mom was there for me. Every night. She didn't tell me to get over it or make fun of me. But she also didn't rush to the school board or make a scene that would single me out even more. Instead, she listened. And supported me. And reminded me again and again how much I was loved and how it would get better. She gave me confidence. I am not saying that will work for everyone - or even most. The entire point of my diatribe is this: please, please, if you have kids... fucking listen to them. LISTEN. Engage. Be there for them. The world will not help them achieve their dreams. That is, when they're young, a responsibility that solely falls on you as a parent.


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Edit: and (I know this is a semi-unpopular opinion), while I never got suspended for fighting (I have gotten in maybe four fights in my life; I recall getting my lights knocked out in one), if my kid - so long as they don't start it - takes a swing at a bully and gets suspended, I will be taking time off work to take them to Disney Land and buy them video games. Zero tolerance policies are absolute bullshit. Talk shit, get hit. My kid will get in trouble if I find out they are the bully or they started something.
 
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I was a bully growing up and I regret it often. Nothing I can do to change the past. But it's fucked how schools are structured to punish both the bully and the victim - as well as kids who seek help being labelled as snitches by their peers. It basically ensures being a bully has little to no repercussions. It's gross.
 

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When I was bullied at school, adults did fuck all. I don't blame the kids, I blame parents and teacher for not stopping it. When bullying happens, those who look after children should be held responsible.
 

Strangelove_77

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So many decades later and American society still can't find a reasonable way to deal with bullying. It makes no sense. Every attempt at stopping it has been extremely halfassed.

Kids(bullies) are literally outsmarting adults(teacher and parents.) That's where we're at.
Pathetic.
 

Stuart444

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Nobody expects the victim to be a good fighter, it is more about the image that you simply won't take it anymore and will retaliate so they leave you alone.

The problem is the assumption that this will even work at all. In my personal experience, it doesn't. It just makes things harder and you may even get in trouble just for retaliation.

It'd be nice if this worked all the time but yeah, it doesn't sadly.

B, Or if the School isn't willing to do anything about the bullying, especially if it means dealing with the bully's parents.

Maybe but if they don't deal with it, they will have to deal with the bullied's Parents. One way or the other, they will need to deal with someones parents.
 

Tesseract

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damn he's a strong little man for posting that, he's going to be a strong adult.

i teared up a bit, not gonna lie.
 

Bitanator

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Been there too many times so that video was hard to watch. Hope it will be able to give him some support now, kids need to have each other's back, it takes more than one person to stand up to a bully in my experience.
 

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I went through the hell that was being the victim of bullying growing up, It was truly awful. Bullying has finally become such a major problem here in the U.S that the federal government launched this "Stop Bullying" website: https://www.stopbullying.gov/

There's a specific page on that site that says "Get Help Now": https://www.stopbullying.gov/get-help-now/index.html

Look at what the federal government says to do if you are being bullied: https://www.stopbullying.gov/kids/what-you-can-do/index.html

There are things you can do if you are being bullied:

  • Look at the kid bullying you and tell him or her to stop in a calm, clear voice. You can also try to laugh it off. This works best if joking is easy for you. It could catch the kid bullying you off guard.
  • If speaking up seems too hard or not safe, walk away and stay away. Don't fight back. Find an adult to stop the bullying on the spot.
There are things you can do to stay safe in the future, too.

  • Talk to an adult you trust. Don't keep your feelings inside. Telling someone can help you feel less alone. They can help you make a plan to stop the bullying.
  • Stay away from places where bullying happens.
  • Stay near adults and other kids. Most bullying happens when adults aren't around.
 

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I remember one time I went to my teacher, told them I was bullied, he asked what my hobbies were (Karate, Swimming, Manga, Biking) and he asked if it was maybe my fault....

2 months later I broke the nose of a bully and from then I was "respected". They found another victim sadly...
Your teacher sounds like a real prick and probably shouldn't be "educating" kids, they're a part of the problem.
 

Jabronium

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There's not much that I actually hate more than bullies. Made my life hell when I moved in 7th grade. Finally decided I'd be better off dead than enduring another day of it. I survived my attempt (thanks to my sister) but 25 years later I'm still fighting those demons. Only reason I made it thru HS was the ability to go to the local uni for classes.

Fuck bullies and their enablers.
 

Chamaeleonx

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I mean, some replies in this thread were communicating little more than "learn how to fight and put the bully in his place", so yes, some users are saying that, and they are mostly whom my post was a response to.

I feel you, and as someone who has been beaten up literally more times than I can remember for being "a pussy", "queer", etc, I can definitely understand that. :(

But nowhere did I even remotely suggest that bullying is "the way of the adult world". If you skim my post again you'll see I'm clearly saying the opposite (not that bullying doesn't still happen, but it of course tends to be carried out by those of lower maturity levels).

We seem to be in agreement about how to deal with bullying so I'm not sure why we are debating this, but for the sake of discussion I'dd add a bit more:

Yes, there's many types of bullying and bullies. I'd argue that some behavior considered to be bullying is ok and depends on context, intent and the character of the person doing it and what point is trying to be make. Sometimes bullies are misguided. Sometimes they are psychotic/sociopathic. Sometimes we are the bully in a given situation. Yes, the problem usually takes root at home and yes, bullying can be complex and often morally gray.

The type of bully you seem to be most alluding to is a Trump-esque alpha person who is incapable of change. They have a life philosophy of of using power to their advantage and that's because society allows it to work for them. They "win" by employing that mentality and gain socioeconomic benefits from that behavior so of course they don't understand the perspective of someone who is not egotistical but sensitive and kind.

But while some power-hungry bullies like that will never be checked due to the bubble of systemic privilege they live in, in most places, at most jobs, in most social groups, that behavior isn't tolerated after a certain age. So my initial point, similar to the point the user you quoted arrived at at the end of their post, remains that bullying won't end unless a stand is made against it. And I would say it's important for a young victim of bullying to play the game of subverting their power via psychology/wit/humor, etc, because eventually that is viewed as the most healthy and constructive way of dealing with such behavior, or, if nothing else, emotionally protecting yourself from it. This is because in recent history it been proven to be one of the more effective ways of facilitating change in society. If your answer to bullying when growing up has always been via responding with your fists, then, well, you're gonna have a tougher time getting through your adult life. *shrug*

I agree, I might have read that wrong. I apologize for misunderstanding you, might have been because I am not a native speaker and your tone seemed a bit hostile, especially without any obvious quote or target. I am in agreement that there are different types of bullying and "sword" or "feather" isn't always the answer in every situation. Just sometimes it is needed to use physical means and your school should then support you.

I consider morally wrong, there is no gray area. Why call somebody insults, names, punch them, steal their stuff, mock them? There is absolutely no reason to do it. Objectively and logically it is obvious that only negativity is gained from it. Therefore I can't consider it a gray area as a decent human being would not do it.

Of course you can't use physical means in more adult situations, but sometimes it just is the right choice. If all your psychology, wits and humor simply bounce of the aggressor, what are you going to do? In my opinion it is not my fault and I should not be forced to simply "take it" because violence is wrong. In my eyes they are wrong for being aggressive towards me, insulting me, punching me, etc. .

Personal note:
I always tried to behave objectively, morally correct (friendly, polite, using wits, etc.). But it never earned me or stopped anything. Therefore I might be a bit biased there. =x

Don't get me started on Trump, biggest waste of life I have ever seen.



The problem is the assumption that this will even work at all. In my personal experience, it doesn't. It just makes things harder and you may even get in trouble just for retaliation.

It'd be nice if this worked all the time but yeah, it doesn't sadly.

Well, it is my own experience. Obviously not a solution for every situation. I mentioned it because I feel like this, talking never helped me, wits never helped me. In the end the only thing that helped was throwing chairs at them or pushing them down. Never got any punishment though as I was always a good student.
Bullying is just dumb in my opinion and people that do it are garbage. Should not be hard to accept others for who they are, but it seems a lot of humanity has a problem with this. =/
 

Wackamole

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Yeah that is heartbreaking. People, parents, teachers, etc should always try to stop bullying. Unfortunately eveyn a lot of grown-ass people didn't outgrow this retarded behaviour. Why would tou ever want to hurt a person who did nothing wrong to you or others?
 

Chairmanchuck (另一个我)

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Your teacher sounds like a real prick and probably shouldn't be "educating" kids, they're a part of the problem.

He did fuck all and I guess he isnt a teacher anymore. He was already like 55 at that time...

When the group of bullies moved on to the jewish and russian girl they put gum in their hair, put chips into their hair, put nails in their bags etc. You can guess who had to change classes? The girls...

The worst thing wasnt that bullying though. It was the psychological thing. Most of the bullying worked like that, not really that much physical one. The "cool kids" just made fun of the less popular ones and the whole class shunned them. One guy was accused of incest (for whatever reason) and everyone made fun of him. When it was too boring to bully him anymore, the bullies moved on to the other guy who didnt have a dad. And it went on and on.

Worst one was a gym teacher who joined in. I was doing Tournament Karate at the time and was really fit, won some tournaments etc. My grades in sport were bad, because "I naturally was good at sports because Im doing Karate."

I think the reason why I am not so confident talking to strangers is because of the bullying.
 
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I was *very* popular in elementary school. All the clubs. My teachers loved me. I did after-school activities. My mom always had the "cool group" for field trips. I was student class vice president. I moved a lot because my dad was in the military, but I always very quickly grew in popularity when I moved before 3rd grade, before 4th, and before 6th.

But... then, I had the unfortunate displeasure of moving in the middle of a school year (rather than between years in the summer). With two months left in the 7th grade year, I had to just show up in class in the middle of a Wednesday, and somehow survive. The kids were awful. I was a "faggot," a cock-sucker, a pussy. I wore "gay shoes," I had unfashionable clothes. Nobody would sit next to me at lunch. Nobody would be in my group in gym. The worst were kids asking me questions and I knew the only reason they were asking me things was to find new ammunition to make fun of me with. And ON TOP OF THAT, my parents were getting divorced back home.

Dudes, I cried pretty much every single night. I'll happily admit it. I was in 7th grade and I fucking HATED it. And it felt so unfair, because I never picked on kids when I was popular. In 5th grade, there was this girl the whole class made fun of every single day. And I admit, I didn't do anything to defend her... but I didn't join in. End of year, and we had a couple hours dedicated on the playground for year book signing. And of course, everyone is signing mine and vice versa. This unpopular girl is sitting against the building by herself, just flipping through the pages. This goes on for 20 minutes. I walk over to her, and ask if I can sign her year book. She hands me hers, and I knew in that moment she was deathly afraid... I could feel she was on the verge of tears if I wrote anything mean. I did not. I wrote something along the lines of feeling bad we didn't talk more during the year, but I thought she was very smart and I hope she has a great summer. I handed it back, and here I am - 20 something years later - and I will never forget the smile she gave me. After that, every single kid around me asked to sign her book, too, and to have her sign theirs.

I didn't "deserve" to get picked on.

That sounds mean. I realize that. Nobody "deserves" it. But I wasn't fat. I wasn't poor. I wasn't ugly. I could talk to people. I didn't have a stutter. I was pretty smart without being a show-off. I wasn't a goody-good. I wasn't a tattle tale. I wasn't gay. I wasn't a minority. I wasn't handicapped. I don't mean to say any of those individuals are more deserving. I mean to say that kids are indiscriminate when it comes to picking on others. It can truly happen to anyone. No matter how hard you try as a parent. No matter how your kid handles themselves. They can fall victim to the cycle of bullying.

You know what got me by? I had a super supportive mother. My mom was there for me. Every night. She didn't tell me to get over it or make fun of me. But she also didn't rush to the school board or make a scene that would single me out even more. Instead, she listened. And supported me. And reminded me again and again how much I was loved and how it would get better. She gave me confidence. I am not saying that will work for everyone - or even most. The entire point of my diatribe is this: please, please, if you have kids... fucking listen to them. LISTEN. Engage. Be there for them. The world will not help them achieve their dreams. That is, when they're young, a responsibility that solely falls on you as a parent.


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Edit: and (I know this is a semi-unpopular opinion), while I never got suspended for fighting (I have gotten in maybe four fights in my life; I recall getting my lights knocked out in one), if my kid - so long as they don't start it - takes a swing at a bully and gets suspended, I will be taking time off work to take them to Disney Land and buy them video games. Zero tolerance policies are absolute bullshit. Talk shit, get hit. My kid will get in trouble if I find out they are the bully or they started something.
Great read, glad you made it through that nightmare
 

rsfour

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I wish it was possible for the school, the teachers, the parents, the kids to be held accountable.

Shit is infuriating. And most of the time, nothing is done even after kids are seriously injured mentally, physically, or worse.
 

dickroach

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The user was warned for this post for being callous about bullying.
well, at least this kid learned the most valuable lesson: if you cry about people treating you unfairly, other people might feel bad and give you stuff.
thank god his mom posted that video online

The warning for this post has been modified.
 
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I was a bully growing up and I regret it often. Nothing I can do to change the past. But it's fucked how schools are structured to punish both the bully and the victim - as well as kids who seek help being labelled as snitches by their peers. It basically ensures being a bully has little to no repercussions. It's gross.

Well it's structured to limit their own liability. Easier to give the parties involved a time out, and hope that any "lessons" to be learned will be taught at home. But public schools in particular have to take the kids "as they are". So unless you want a law passed saying that every place where a child primarily spends their time "developing" can be designated a "child development center" (schools, homes, day-care/after-school,etc.), and can be held legally liable for any physical or developmental harm, there is little they can ultimately do outside of representing a respectful environment during the day.

The thing that people don't realize about child bullies is that unless they are sociopaths and doing it for kicks, they are always punished - not for bullying, but for existing in general. At home. Either by their parents, or by their own self-loathing. And it didn't start just because they were left alone to examine the internet on their own. It started at the earliest ages.
 

KarmaCow

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if your kid came to you and told you he was being bullied, how would you respond?

Get involved. Talk to your kid, be there to listen to them so they have an outlet. Talk to the school, keep talking to the school, be a person they can't ignore. Talk to the parents of the bullies or other kids, see if they are willing to do this something on their end. If nothing comes from that, then maybe even transfer them to another school.

Bullies getting away with their bullying is a societal failure and and making them shoulder that burden of responsibility on a child, especially the victim is heinous.
 

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He did fuck all and I guess he isnt a teacher anymore. He was already like 55 at that time...

When the group of bullies moved on to the jewish and russian girl they put gum in their hair, put chips into their hair, put nails in their bags etc. You can guess who had to change classes? The girls...

The worst thing wasnt that bullying though. It was the psychological thing. Most of the bullying worked like that, not really that much physical one. The "cool kids" just made fun of the less popular ones and the whole class shunned them. One guy was accused of incest (for whatever reason) and everyone made fun of him. When it was too boring to bully him anymore, the bullies moved on to the other guy who didnt have a dad. And it went on and on.

Worst one was a gym teacher who joined in. I was doing Tournament Karate at the time and was really fit, won some tournaments etc. My grades in sport were bad, because "I naturally was good at sports because Im doing Karate."

I think the reason why I am not so confident talking to strangers is because of the bullying.
Man that's rough. I never understood the psychology of people who bully others. I never understood what they got out of it or how it makes them feel empowered. I still don't understand why bullying isn't illegal or at the very least highly punishable.

I think there should be teaching assistants who integrate themselves into a class and monitor the children's behaviors. This could help substantiate any claims of bullying if/when they are presented and they can hear from other kids who don't want to come forward and investigate claims of bullying. If someone is harassing someone and has driven them to commit suicide, or is inflicting physical/emotional harm, they should be punished. We shouldn't tolerate this. Bullying has turned into an epidemic here in the US.
 

Karsticles

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I know a teacher who has a kid that says he's going to "fucking kill everyone" in the classroom every week. Teacher writes him up. He's still there. It's just incredibly hard to get rid of kids in the public school system. If we want things to get better, the bad kids need to be removed from schools. Right now they're out of control and in control.

I'm a teacher, and I plan on homeschooling my son.
 

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And it felt so unfair, because I never picked on kids when I was popular. In 5th grade, there was this girl the whole class made fun of every single day. And I admit, I didn't do anything to defend her... but I didn't join in. End of year, and we had a couple hours dedicated on the playground for year book signing. And of course, everyone is signing mine and vice versa. This unpopular girl is sitting against the building by herself, just flipping through the pages. This goes on for 20 minutes. I walk over to her, and ask if I can sign her year book. She hands me hers, and I knew in that moment she was deathly afraid... I could feel she was on the verge of tears if I wrote anything mean. I did not. I wrote something along the lines of feeling bad we didn't talk more during the year, but I thought she was very smart and I hope she has a great summer. I handed it back, and here I am - 20 something years later - and I will never forget the smile she gave me. After that, every single kid around me asked to sign her book, too, and to have her sign theirs.

You're a good person. I'm sorry you got bullied.

In middle school I was one of the picked-on kids. Most of it was verbal. At the end of 6th grade one of the bullies signed my yearbook, and wrote an apology for some of the things she did. I appreciated the apology but now I have a tangible reminder of all that. Not to mention I refused to let my parents see the yearbook because then they'd see what she'd written and I was embarrassed. (I had told them about people picking on me, but I don't think anything happened other than they let me stay home for a day when I refused to go to school. I don't think they called the school or tried to address it at all - my mom even came home from a parent-teacher night once and commented that one of my teachers had said I was "withdrawn" in class - no shit I was withdrawn, people treated me like garbage.)
 

Ryan.

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The worst feeling is getting bullied and knowing you can't do anything about it without it blowing up in your face and you know damn well the school isn't going to do shit. Coming from a small private school(yeah I know) that needed all the money it can get they weren't going to expel a student(in fact I don't remember that happening at all in my 11 years there), it was always in school suspension, which I was lucky enough to go through for standing up for myself. The only time when people who caused problems left was when they left on their own.

It was obvious the teachers and administration didn't give a shit. I ended up transferring because of my dad getting a new job. Went to another small private school that was complete opposite in atmosphere. People cared and didn't fuck you over. Now I hear that old school is even worst than before. Karma's a bitch I guess.
 

Chairmanchuck (另一个我)

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I know a teacher who has a kid that says he's going to "fucking kill everyone" in the classroom every week. Teacher writes him up. He's still there.

Just reading that it seems he might be the victim of bullying, not the bully.

Whenever there is a massacre in a school in Germany (once in a decade or so) they found out the kid was bullied, but apparently "no one knew about it". Even if evidence surface that they had a talk with the teachers etc. the schools and teachers try to silence talks about that...
Last time it was "Counter Strike" and "Ballerspiele", not bullying.
 

Ultima_5

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Putting a video of your kid out there on the web of this nature seems like child abuse. Hope people in his school never find this.

Also who would think to even record their kid in this state. Wtf
 
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Putting a video of your kid out there on the web of this nature seems like child abuse. Hope people in his school never find this.

Also who would think to even record their kid in this state. Wtf

The kid asked to be recorded:

For the record, Keaton asked to do this AFTER he had he me pick him up AGAIN because he was afraid to go to lunch. My kids are by no stretch perfect, & at home, he's as all boy as they come, but by all accounts he's good at school. Talk to your kids. I've even had friends of mine tell me they're kids were only nice to him to get him to mess with people. We all know how it feels to want to belong, but only a select few know how it really feels not to belong anywhere.
 

Karsticles

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Just reading that it seems he might be the victim of bullying, not the bully.

Whenever there is a massacre in a school in Germany (once in a decade or so) they found out the kid was bullied, but apparently "no one knew about it". Even if evidence surface that they had a talk with the teachers etc. the schools and teachers try to silence talks about that...
Last time it was "Counter Strike" and "Ballerspiele", not bullying.
No doubt it goes both ways. Most of the "bad kids" see themselves as the victims in every situation. High anxiety causes them to see most things as threats, which is why they are so violent in the first place.
 

Spock

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I understand hoping for a solution that doesn't involve more violence, etc. But as others have pointed out, the potential psychological ramifications of being bullied are not worth waiting to long for a resolution. If my kids got suspended or expelled for defending themselves, their siblings or any other victim I would always tell them they did the right thing.

I was bullied a few times when I was in elementary school, but not much. I also was a dick not a full on bully at times in my teens, but thankfully I saw the error in that behavior pretty quickly. I also defended kids a few times from bullies but wish I did more as I saw some kids get it REALLY bad. I had a friend who got fucked with a lot and I couldn't figure out why. His mom used a fake address so he could go to our school because his local school was CRAZY. He lived on Franklin ave near Dean st in Brooklyn in the early 90's. This place was raw as fuck. He would take multiple trains just to illegally goto a better school which was in sunset park. He would have to plan his moves leaving school, getting to the train, etc to try to avoid certain people. He couldn't do much against his biggest bullies even if he wanted to because they where part of a gang/set.

He would straight up risk getting slashed, stabbed or seriously injured as these kids were not your avg bullies. These were cats who rob, steal, straight thugging shit. Everyone and the mother had to "represent" or get labeled a "herb" or a sucker, which created a new set of problems. Heck I remember getting robbed at a local train station by like 15 or so kids from another click and I still got shit for not fighting back but only to a degree.

What's crazy is even now there is a part of me that wishes to be able to go back to that moment and have fought back. Even though I risked getting thrown the fuck off a train platform as this was under the "L" (train tracks that are high up in the air over the streets). It bothered me for years, I cant imagine how much mental pain those who were bullied on the regular had/have to deal with. As a parent, fuck that noise. We need to stop that shit in whatever way we can.
 
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Syder

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I wasn't bullied or did bullying but I was frequently the go-between with my 'nerdier' friends and the bullies. Had to tell jock-types to lay off my less-outspoken friends more times than I can remember. Unfortunately, most bullies can smell fear on other kids and victims don't realise that seeming scared is an open invitation, so it's a vicious cycle of repeated bullying because victims are in a constant state of fear in the presence of their tormentors.

Bullying in schools seems like a pandemic that will never go away because adults either don't care or don't want it to stop.
 

Ryaaan14

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Heart bleeds for that kid

Makes me eager to be a dad and be a god damn savage to any unfortunate soul who bullies my son or daughter
 

hibikase

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I don't understand people who claim that the solution to being bullied is to fight back. Physically assaulting your bully will only make him angrier. He's not going to magically start respecting you because you stood up to him. Reality doesn't work like that.
 

lmcfigs

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The kid asked to be recorded:
It might stop the bullying temporarily, but idk if I would put the video out there myself.
I don't understand people who claim that the solution to being bullied is to fight back. Physically assaulting your bully will only make him angrier. He's not going to magically start respecting you because you stood up to him. Reality doesn't work like that.

Also it's not like you're guaranteed to win a fight... and the bully probably has a lot of friends that can beat you up, etc. It strikes me as a bad idea.
 

Karsticles

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I don't understand people who claim that the solution to being bullied is to fight back. Physically assaulting your bully will only make him angrier. He's not going to magically start respecting you because you stood up to him. Reality doesn't work like that.
In first grade three third graders went after me daily. They would throw my things into the road, hit me, etc. They did this because I saw them being up a kid, and I told an adult like my mother said I should. I became their new target. My best friend was a fourth grader, though. He beat the shit out of all three of them. They left me alone.

In fourth grade one of my classmates would always hit me in the stomach and push me while we walked between school areas. Eventually I stood up for myself and threw the most goddamn sissy punch I could muster - I felt like a gust of wind. He became furious and struck me in the stomach 5 times as hard as he could. I felt like breaking down crying from the pain, but I just stared at him. He never bothered me again.

Sometimes it works. In high school kids stopped picking on me because they were scared of failing classes, and they realized I would help them with school work if they were nice. That took a long time, though...
 

RDreamer

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Get involved. Talk to your kid, be there to listen to them so they have an outlet. Talk to the school, keep talking to the school, be a person they can't ignore. Talk to the parents of the bullies or other kids, see if they are willing to do this something on their end. If nothing comes from that, then maybe even transfer them to another school.

Bullies getting away with their bullying is a societal failure and and making them shoulder that burden of responsibility on a child, especially the victim is heinous.

Unfortunately when I was growing up my parents tried all this and it all ended up backfiring. Going to the school gets you bullied more. Talking to the parents of the bullies gets you bulled way more. Being involved gets you bullied more.

I was bullied by every asshole that ever went to that school in horrible ways. After years and years of getting just as bad of a punishment for literally taking punches and doing nothing my dad and I both agreed I should probably just stand up for myself. If I'm going to get in trouble for "fighting," then I should fucking fight. And I did. One by one they stopped when I finally stood up for myself.

I really hate that it worked, though, because I'm lucky a few of my bullies were smaller than me (I was still a scrawny terribly weak kid). Other kids don't have that problem. I also feel horrible for kids nowadays that can't escape the bullying at home. When I was younger at least I had a refuge. My bullying couldn't really follow me into my house online the way it can now. I don't know what I'll do if I have a kid that gets bullied except try to follow his/her lead and be there for full support in whatever they want me to do and whatever they think could help.
 

fallout

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Zero tolerance is the worst. Biggest regret was not fighting back because I was scared to be expelled
I fought back when I was a kid and it was one of the worst decisions I could have made. My life went from being disliked, made fun of, and shunned to relentless bullying and torment. People act like fighting back is some silver bullet to bullying, but sometimes all you're doing is giving the bullies more ammunition. They're the popular ones. They're the ones with numbers. If you beat one up, they have no reason to be afraid of you. They'll just come back harder.

Believe me, if some kids want to ruin your life, they'll do it regardless of what you do.
 

lmcfigs

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What helped me was a concerned teacher reaching out to me and speaking to the bullies on my behalf.
 
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I fought back when I was a kid and it was one of the worst decisions I could have made. My life went from being disliked, made fun of, and shunned to relentless bullying and torment. People act like fighting back is some silver bullet to bullying, but sometimes all you're doing is giving the bullies more ammunition. They're the popular ones. They're the ones with numbers. If you beat one up, they have no reason to be afraid of you. They'll just come back harder.

Believe me, if some kids want to ruin your life, they'll do it regardless of what you do.
It's more for myself though. I felt like a coward not doing anything
 

Jakten

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I vaguely recall tattling on bullies being punishable somehow.

I mean even if it wasn't; tattling on a bully meant they would just come back at you with more people so... it sort of was anyways.

When people used to bully me the teachers would always give us both detentions. So they would stick me in a room alone with like 4-5 guys who were pissed that "I ruined" their recess/afternoon/etc. which would just exacerbate the issue and usually lead to fist fights after we were off school property. It got to the point where some teachers who disliked me recognized the bullys in class and would put me down to gain points as a cool teacher. One teacher found out I had red-green colour blindness and constantly set up situations that would point it out and say shit like "You're and artist and you still don't even know your colours, can you guys believe this!?!?". The way schools handle bullying is stupid as fuck.

I fought back when I was a kid and it was one of the worst decisions I could have made. My life went from being disliked, made fun of, and shunned to relentless bullying and torment. People act like fighting back is some silver bullet to bullying, but sometimes all you're doing is giving the bullies more ammunition. They're the popular ones. They're the ones with numbers. If you beat one up, they have no reason to be afraid of you. They'll just come back harder.

Believe me, if some kids want to ruin your life, they'll do it regardless of what you do.

Same, fighting back led me from having 2 bullies to about 10+. I lost all my friends because they were tired of having to deal with the bullies thanks to being around me and eventually they became friends with the bullies and started bullying me as well. As I mentioned above, since they were the "cool" kids they even managed to recruit some teachers into essentially harassing me and ruining my successes.
 
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