‘The Walking Dead’ – Season 8 - Sundays on AMC

More_Badass · Dec 11, 2017

You know the show messed up with setting up its "shocking moment" that will be "seared into your memory" when my family doesn't react at all to a character death besides a "Finally..."

Especially when you make it some stupid reveal for something that happened episodes ago (something that was already ridiculous filler)

I mean, maybe more than any other character on this show, Carl died for nothing. An out-of-nowhere "moral center"/we have to have morals subplot, for a character we know nothing about and don't care about, because of a moment that was perhaps the most egregious obligatory zombie action I can remember on the show.

And that's not mentioning the other questionable parts of the episode. The trapped Saviors, whose outposts were attacked and had tons of fighters still captured in the Hilltop, suddenly have enough people to launch a simultaneous three-front assault? Rick in a fight with Negan, with Alexandria literally on fire, has the bat in his hand, and just does a little tap to the chin instead of bringing it down on Negan's face? Four people shooting automatic fire in the same direction completely miss the one Savior on that side of the car (the one Savior that gets away after Dwight decides to rush someone pointing a gun at him)? We completely skip over how the Saviors were able to get out and take out the lookouts, with a "Eugene did it" handwave? We spent like three episodes with Rick's "plan" involving the Garbage People for 1) his "plan" to completely fall apart and 2) them to instantly run away?

Razgriz-Specter · Dec 11, 2017

Man f this show, im done.

fucking drawn out contrived plan by Rick takes half a season....
and the bad guys escape it near instantly offscreen

giancarlo123x · Dec 11, 2017

Well that's a huge deviation from the comics.

firehawk12 · Dec 11, 2017

Korigama said:
I tried Fear the Walking Dead all the way up until the season 3 premiere. Everything about it just felt like a worse version of the main series, with a dull and mostly unlikable cast, who often did things that were stupid even by Walking Dead standards, and a plot that never felt like it was going anywhere featuring boring locations and scenarios.

I'm aware that those who've stuck with it say that it improved, but I'm not really convinced that I'm missing out on anything for having dropped it. Disliking Madison in particular and being averse to the idea of her being promoted to lead on the show didn't help, either.

Funny, I like Fear way more than this show because there's no bullshit about "following the comics" to worry about. I mean I still think it has many of the same problems, but at least it doesn't feel trapped by source material.

Korigama · Dec 11, 2017

I would love to hear the official explanation as to why the garbage people continue to be a thing.

firehawk12 said:
Funny, I like Fear way more than this show because there's no bullshit about "following the comics" to worry about. I mean I still think it has many of the same problems, but at least it doesn't feel trapped by source material.

Ah. I admit to never having read the comics myself, being only familiar with some details from them here and there, so my judgments of TWD are pretty much limited to what they do with the show itself rather than how it deviates from the source material.

Latvian Hitman · Dec 11, 2017

I've spent the last two seasons waiting to see the All Out War arc from the comic brought to the screen...telling every non-comic-viewer I know to just wait as they complained through seasons 6 and 7. "Just wait- it's going to get crazy good! Payoffs galore are coming. Great character moments are coming."

So, what the hell did I watch for the last two months? The show's never been perfectly executed, but wow. It used to be such that a stupid character decision or a poorly executed action scene would stick out and be something to be criticized. Now it's to the point that anything other than that would really stick out. What an absolute mess this season has been. This is the kind of thing you remove a show runner over. The lack of coherency and vision on display here is unacceptable for a show this big, IMO.

Van Bur3n · Dec 11, 2017

More_Badass said:
You know the show messed up with setting up its "shocking moment" that will be "seared into your memory" when my family doesn't react at all to a character death besides a "Finally..."

Especially when you make it some stupid reveal for something that happened episodes ago (something that was already ridiculous filler)

I mean, maybe more than any other character on this show, Carl died for nothing. An out-of-nowhere "moral center"/we have to have morals subplot, for a character we know nothing about and don't care about, because of a moment that was perhaps the most egregious obligatory zombie action I can remember on the show.

And that's not mentioning the other questionable parts of the episode. The trapped Saviors, whose outposts were attacked and had tons of fighters still captured in the Hilltop, suddenly have enough people to launch a simultaneous three-front assault? Rick in a fight with Negan, with Alexandria literally on fire, has the bat in his hand, and just does a little tap to the chin instead of bringing it down on Negan's face? Four people shooting automatic fire in the same direction completely miss the one Savior on that side of the car (the one Savior that gets away after Dwight decides to rush someone pointing a gun at him)? We completely skip over how the Saviors were able to get out and take out the lookouts, with a "Eugene did it" handwave? We spent like three episodes with Rick's "plan" involving the Garbage People for 1) his "plan" to completely fall apart and 2) them to instantly run away?

It's laughable how there is this war going on with the Saviors, where you would think it would come at such a costs to everyone, and yet, Carl's fate was determined by an event completely outside of said war. It could have happened any other time through the show (which makes me wonder how it didn't happen sooner because Carl is the champion of dumb decisions). Had Carl just died by Negan's bat at the end of season 7 when Rick was willing to accept it, that would have given the war with the Saviors more of an impact and completely change Rick's character. Although the link from the post I quoted earlier cites the reason why Gimple chose to kill off Carl now makes sense in the long run for how it will effect Rick, the way they went about the death was pretty dumb.

And yeah, a whole lot of nonsense throughout the episode. The garbage people thing still gets to me because, after two episodes of Rick still wasting their time on them, THEY STILL END UP POINTLESS. Immediately as this episode starts the whole purpose of Rick going to them is tossed out the window and everything we saw earlier became just pure filler. I swear, if I see the garbage people one more time on screen, I will probably turn off the television immediately.

More_Badass · Dec 11, 2017

Van Bur3n said:
It's laughable how there is this war going on with the Saviors, where you would think it would come at such a costs to everyone, and yet, Carl's fate was determined by an event completely outside of said war.

Not to mention the logic of the son of the most important leader in the middle of a war sneaking out unseen to explore the woods by himself and help a random person.

Deleted member 864 · Dec 11, 2017

That was a 'meh' episode and mid-season finale for me. The garbage people continue to be lol really, I feel like Carl's fate didn't really hit home for me, the pacing of the episode seemed off, and Negan and the Saviors I just don't see as compelling villains and really just find it hard to care for. I don't know if I have much hope for how the rest of the season will play out.

Sectorseven · Dec 11, 2017

How many more times can there be this back and forth between the two sides? Their homes are all trashed and you'd think they'd run out of man power at some point.

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

I'm kind of at a loss for words here.

That wasn't good. And the way the reveal was handled was poor. So the cliffhanger is that we know, without question, that Carl will be dying in the next episode. Okay then.

Again, the writers seemed to use an important death as a cliffhanger plot device, which takes the impact out of it.

More_Badass · Dec 11, 2017

Man, I really did like this show up to most of Season 7, but I never felt the filler was that bad, but these last few episodes have been so obnoxious. This episode was notably bad. A 90 minute episode, meaning an extra 15 minutes of showtime, and we spend it on:

- The two long sequences of fading between face closeups
- Eugene delivering an anguished stare at the ceiling
- Carl sitting in the corner, writing his note.
- The stuff with Enid and Aaron in the car, only for Enid to instantly kill an Oceansider and making their previous scenes pointless.

I laughed out loud at that last one

Faenix1 · Dec 11, 2017

So.. was it told or are we literally supposed to wait for the second half - if ever - to learn if Daryl completly fucked up by driving the vehicle through the Sanctuary wall?

More_Badass · Dec 11, 2017

Faenix1 said:
So.. was it told or are we literally supposed to wait for the second half - if ever - to learn if Daryl completly fucked up by driving the vehicle through the Sanctuary wall?

The Saviors got out. If he hadn't done that, Rick's really stupid nonsensical plan would have actually worked

Like on its own, it's a really smart plan. Let the walkers besiege them, starve them out, force them to surrender, have snipers watching the place, take out or capture the other scattered Savior forces

Rick deciding to go by himself for some reason to make toothless ultimatums to a group that already betrayed them, and Daryl needing to blow up/attack the Sanctuary right this second even that would be putting Rick and others in needless danger, were complete and utter filler that made no sense when their original plan was working perfectly fine

NKnight7 said:
That confused me too, I'm not entirely sure what the Saviors meant when they kept saying Eugene's name as the solution to them escaping the Sanctuary. Unless, they did explain it and I just missed it.

No, they just said Eugene found a way as an explanation

Deleted member 864 · Dec 11, 2017

Faenix1 said:
So.. was it told or are we literally supposed to wait for the second half - if ever - to learn if Daryl completly fucked up by driving the vehicle through the Sanctuary wall?

That confused me too, I'm not entirely sure what the Saviors meant when they kept mentioning Eugene as the solution to them escaping the Sanctuary. Unless, they did explain it and I just missed it.

Faenix1 · Dec 11, 2017

More_Badass said:
The Saviors got out. If he hadn't done that, Rick's really stupid nonsensical plan would have actually worked

Like on its own, it's a really smart plan. Let the walkers besiege them, starve them out, force them to surrender, have snipers watching the place, take out or capture the other scattered Savior forces

Rick deciding to go by himself for some reason to make toothless ultimatums to a group that already betrayed them, and Daryl needing to blow up/attack the Sanctuary right this second even that would be putting Rick and others in needless danger, were complete and utter filler that made no sense when their original plan was working perfectly fine

They had saviors making speaker trucks so Daryl driving a truck into the wall kind of made sense. But that doesn't exactly explain how they survived that with the numbers they did.

I would of much rather some kind of hint to that then.. carl got bit cliffhanger.

More_Badass · Dec 11, 2017

Let's not forget that the Rick/Daryl/Garbage People plot was actually the second plot that ended up being wasted for absolutely nothing this season

The Kingdom's people got wiped out for the machine guns, Carol and Ezekiel desperately tried to stop them and retrieve the guns, only for Rick to accidentally blow up the guns in the next episode.

Zej · Dec 11, 2017

If Trash Troupe returns again...

Also, this war cycle needs to end yesterday.

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

I like how the Aaron plot just disappeared after the first 10 minutes of the episode.

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

This kind of stuff just adds to now anti-climactic that was. They straight up just tweet out the ACTUAL SCENE as it happens with, "Oh no!'

Come on, now.

More_Badass · Dec 11, 2017

ZeoVGM said:
I like how the Aaron plot just disappeared after the first 10 minutes of the episode.

Enid instantly making that whole plot - wondering if they'll talk and getting a gift/something to trade - meaningless by killing an Oceansider was great

Deleted member 268 · Dec 11, 2017

Well, I didn't see that coming.

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

More_Badass said:
Enid instantly making that whole plot - wondering if they'll talk and getting a gift/something to trade - meaningless by killing an Oceansider was great

It was yet another example of, "Let's have the main cast of good guys do something stupid." Seriously, what.

Trouble · Dec 11, 2017

They seriously need to end the Negan plotline in the mid-season premiere. Shit is beyond old at this point.

Also, I love how they waited until Carl actually built up a few redeeming qualities before offing him.

Prediction: Freshly turned walker Carl bites Negan.

scitek · Dec 11, 2017

Faenix1 said:
So.. was it told or are we literally supposed to wait for the second half - if ever - to learn if Daryl completly fucked up by driving the vehicle through the Sanctuary wall?

"Eugene" is supposed to be all the explanation we need, and it's supposed to set up tension with Rick & Friends learning he betrayed them. You see, you're still supposed to care about Eugene for some reason.

And Carl, too, but I'm rooting for the Saviors at this point, to be honest. What a worthless slog the past season and a half's been. Absolutely nothing's happened except Sasha starring in Star Trek and Carl getting more time for college.

Van Bur3n · Dec 11, 2017

ZeoVGM said:
I like how the Aaron plot just disappeared after the first 10 minutes of the episode.

You bet your ass we're going to get a whole episode dedicated to them during the second half of the season, and I will fall asleep watching it like I did with the Terra episode with those ocean people.

UberTag · Dec 11, 2017

ZeoVGM said:
This kind of stuff just adds to now anti-climactic that was. They straight up just tweet out the ACTUAL SCENE as it happens with, "Oh no!'

Come on, now.

They have a tone-deaf marketing department and they face no blowback for it because folks who say they're done and are going to drop the show keep tuning in.

scitek said:
Absolutely nothing's happened except Sasha starring in Star Trek and Carl getting more time for college.

I first read that as Tasha starring in Star Trek and thinking to myself "but she died with the Termites in Season 5 when Carol went Terminator".

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

UberTag said:
They have a tone-deaf marketing department and they face no blowback for it because folks who say they're done and are going to drop the show keep tuning in.

To be fair, this isn't the case. Viewers are leaving.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/sunday-cable-ratings-dec-3-2017/

Two weeks after hitting a six-year low among adults 18-49, "The Walking Dead" went still lower.

Sunday's episode led the cable rankings for the day by a long shot, but "TWD's" 3.3 rating in adults 18-49 and 7.47 million viewers were the lowest marks for the show since November 2011 and March 2012.

Don Draper's Hat · Dec 11, 2017

Carl is dead?

I may have to watch the latest episode now, just to see that little shitheel snuff it.

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

Don Draper's Hat said:
Carl is dead?

I may have to watch the latest episode now, just to see that little shitheel snuff it.

Not yet. They just revealed that he's going to die. You won't see it until the spring premiere.

Don Draper's Hat · Dec 11, 2017

ZeoVGM said:
Not yet. They just revealed that he's going to die. You won't see it until the spring premiere.

That's... odd.

riotous · Dec 11, 2017

Isn't the (possible comic book spoiler):

Time skip

Conersations happening out on the open, and in spoiler tags not marked as comic book spoilers... well.. comic book spoilers?

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

Don Draper's Hat said:
That's... odd.

That's... The Walking Dead.

Surfinn · Dec 11, 2017

I have two things to say, immediately after watching this. The last minute of this episode is the first time I've really felt anything for anybody on this show in an entire season and a half. The music and slow zoom out was really well done.

Second

We really wanna make sure you know this is a tense scene.

We want you to know so badly we're going to zoom in on every character's face in the show until you understand this

The show is in shambles but I did enjoy Carl/Rick. Rick's devastated scenes show how great of an actor he is.

Don Draper's Hat · Dec 11, 2017

ZeoVGM said:
That's... The Walking Dead.

Haha. God I'm glad I no longer watch this.

Surfinn · Dec 11, 2017

PS

He was an insufferably terrible actor on the show and I'm glad he's gone

Mr Spasiba · Dec 11, 2017

I'm halfway rooting for the saviors too tbh, the group is so dumb in so many ways that it's just satisfying to have them get punished at this point.

This (half) season felt weirdly incoherent to me. Idk if it's my own waning insterest or what, but after the first couple episodes the what the characters were doing, where they were doing it, and when they were doing it all got really muddled.

Also, I've got a question cause I honestly can't remember. The guy with the dreads who ran off and left Tara on the bridge at Oceanside... did he ever turn back up?

Surfinn · Dec 11, 2017

Lol I just realized something

What the fuck was the point of Rick blindly sacrificing himself to gain the brief support of a group of garbo people (who had previously betrayed them all) so that they could run off as soon as shit hits the fan

Great plan Rick

More_Badass · Dec 11, 2017

Mr Spasiba said:
Also, I've got a question cause I honestly can't remember. The guy with the dreads who ran off and left Tara on the bridge at Oceanside... did he ever turn back up?

He had to go fight terrorists, No one mentioned him again or even acted like he ever existed

bye · Dec 11, 2017

Just to make it worse they only killed him because Chandler wanted off the show, otherwise it's very likely there wouldn't have even been a single major death this ep.

Deleted member 864 · Dec 11, 2017

Mr Spasiba said:
I'm halfway rooting for the saviors too tbh, the group is so dumb in so many ways that it's just satisfying to have them get punished at this point.

This (half) season felt weirdly incoherent to me. Idk if it's my own waning insterest or what, but after the first couple episodes the what the characters were doing, where they were doing it, and when they were doing it all got really muddled.

Also, I've got a question cause I honestly can't remember. The guy with the dreads who ran off and left Tara on the bridge at Oceanside... did he ever turn back up?

No, his actor left the show to do the 24 reboot. However, the 24 reboot ended up getting cancelled and I think he'll return to the show eventually. I think they said in an interview that he probably won't be back this season though, so probably the next.

Surfinn · Dec 11, 2017

bye said:
Just to make it worse they only killed him because Chandler wanted off the show, otherwise it's very likely there wouldn't have even been a single major death this ep.

It just works so well when they're forced to kill people off! Lol

NKnight7 said:
No, his actor left the show to do the 24 reboot. However, the 24 reboot ended up getting cancelled and I think he'll return to the show eventually. I think they said in an interview that he probably won't be back this season though, so probably the next.

I hope they do. I loved his character on the show

Faenix1 · Dec 11, 2017

bye said:
Just to make it worse they only killed him because Chandler wanted off the show, otherwise it's very likely there wouldn't have even been a single major death this ep.

based on an interview (it's spoilered above somewhere) it was the showrunners idea

Mediking · Dec 11, 2017

bye said:
Just to make it worse they only killed him because Chandler wanted off the show, otherwise it's very likely there wouldn't have even been a single major death this ep.

Actually I bet Chandler didnt wanna go...

Carl had alotta potential. He's RICK'S SON. He was growing.... dont do that to him...

Pascal · Dec 11, 2017

Stopped watching this show at the end of season 6, but learned about Carl's fate a few months back. So I tuned in tonight for the first time in years just to see how it would play out. That was a fucking mistake. How can a war in the middle of the motherfucking zombie apocalypse be so goddamn boring? Jesus Tap Dancing Christ, that was the most boring shit I have ever watched. It really didn't need to be 90 minutes, especially with all of the pointless shit they threw in, like the close ups of all of the characters towards the end. And the actual ending was just nothing. He just has a bite out of nowhere. "Welp, guess Carl got bit by some random walker off screen. Ain't that some shit? Tune in for the mid season premier so you can watch his inevitable and senseless death that will cause Rick and Michonne unfathomable amounts of torment and don't forget to tweet us your reaction vids and walker cosplays and Daryl cakes and whatever."

This show is fucking trash. Always has been, to be honest. It's just the same shit over and over again with no endgame in sight. What a goddamn waste of time. I could've been playing BotW.

I could've been driving around Hyrule on my sick new motorcycle.

But nope, had to watch this boring shit.

Charismagik · Dec 11, 2017

I hope rick lets out an epic coooooooooral upon his death

Surfinn · Dec 11, 2017

I'm pretty sure the extra 15 min of screentime was all character zoom ins

bye · Dec 11, 2017

The commercials really make this show unbearable... exponentially as it is getting worse every season. Probably gonna wait for Netflix the back half of the season.

Hero of Time · Dec 11, 2017

Damn there have been a lot of moments that have annoyed me this season, and quite a few in this episode alone. Just a few of the things that annoyed me this episode, for some reason after their plan of opening up the hole in the compound, they all just decide to head back and say mission accomplished! then the saviors escape off screen. Enid immediately shooting the stick wielding Grandma in the back (lol), and worst of all, the way they're killing off Carl.

First of all, I don't exactly like the idea of killing Carl, especially since he apparently has some big story arcs from the comics they haven't covered yet. Alright, they obviously want to go in a different direction, but the way they handled this feels so damn anti climatic. Carl dies because he got bit by a group of easily avoided Walkers, that he went after on purpose, just to make that other dude feel better with that "releasing their spirits" shit, I mean really? I'm just so sick of the stupidity.

ColonelT · Dec 11, 2017

BFIB said:
His eyesight has more depth.

This deserved more love.

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