‘The Walking Dead’ – Season 8 - Sundays on AMC

RatskyWatsky · Dec 11, 2017

BeardedMan01 said:
He said in an interview with THR that it was all Scott Gimple's decision.

EDIT: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...ing-die-chandler-riggs-exit-interview-1066031

So his intention was to go to college and do the show part time? Not sure how that would have worked out, but okay. I think killing Carl was the right move, though. He was basically given

Andrea's

death, which is appropriate for a variety of different reasons. That was the biggest death in the comics and Carl's death is the biggest on the show. It's going to impact the rest of the characters in a major way, give the writers one less main character to juggle (one of their biggest weaknesses), and force them to come up with something different for the next arc seeing as how

Carl's relationship with Lydia is one of the inciting factors in the Whisperer War. Assuming the writers plan to do that storyline, that is.

Lotto · Dec 11, 2017

bye said:
The commercials really make this show unbearable... exponentially as it is getting worse every season. Probably gonna wait for Netflix the back half of the season.

what's a computer?

dyst · Dec 11, 2017

People do realize this isnt the US and Russia going to war right? It's basically one gang with limited weaponary and unskilled henchman vs another gang with even less weaponary and unskilled henchman.

Go find 50 people, spread yourself out across 3 different towns and fight another group of 50 people also spread out across those 3 towns. Let's see how spectacular this war of yours turns out lol.

I'm willing to bet most of you would be shooting aimlessly or dying by doing something stupid, or more than likely...cowering like most normal people would.

With thay said, I think all of last season and what is this season would have been better if it was just one season.

RatskyWatsky · Dec 11, 2017

DangerMouse said:
How did all those walkers getting inside not do more damage to them? lol

There were stairs.

Van Bur3n said:
Rosita, I don't even know what line of reasoning you were attempting there.

lmao right

MasterVampire said:
So much for Lori saying Carl was going to survive this world........

I believe it was always the intention for Carl to outlive mostly everyone else in both the comic and the show, but clearly Chandler's restlessness nudged the writers in the direction of killing him off.

(I firmly believe the original plan was to

have Morgan's death act as the catalyst for Rick deciding to spare Negan's life at the end of the war. They were laying on the foreshadowing pretty thick back in season 6, but clearly now Carl's death will fulfill that purpose. Who knows what's going to happen with Morgan now, but if he dies it will certainly have a lot less impact.

)

And this sort of thing is only going to continue the longer the show goes on. The actors who have been on the show the longest will eventually grow tired and want to move on (which is what happens on every long running show), forcing the writers to kill them off.

dyst · Dec 11, 2017

Im really liking this season so far, save for the few nitpicks I have, especially after last season soured me a bit. If last season and this season werw blended into one I think it would have been a wise decison.

Tux_ · Dec 11, 2017

Holy shit. That hit me. I ... was not expecting that.

Salute to OG Carl.

I fucking loved the first half of this season.

Lakitu · Dec 11, 2017

I think the writers should have some sort of endgame in place now. There should be two seasons left max. The show has grown stale and the production/writing has suffered significantly. I think season 8 is the worst it's ever been, which is a shame.

RatskyWatsky · Dec 11, 2017

Rather, the showrunner should be replaced with someone who isn't stuck in a creative rut - someone more willing to break free from the confines of the comic.

Tux_ · Dec 11, 2017

lol goddamn, leave it to the internet to make me feel like an idiot for enjoying this show. this has got to be the most negative thread on ERA, christ, lol.

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

Surfinn said:
Lol I just realized something

What the fuck was the point of Rick blindly sacrificing himself to gain the brief support of a group of garbo people (who had previously betrayed them all) so that they could run off as soon as shit hits the fan

Great plan Rick

Two entire episodes based around that.

And they run away at the start of this episode.

dyst · Dec 11, 2017

Tux_ said:
lol goddamn, leave it to the internet to make me feel like an idiot for enjoying this show. this has got to be the most negative thread on ERA, christ, lol.

ha ha, same here. I really liked this episode and the year for that matter. I think people are forgetting the show always had the same issues.

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

Tux_ said:
lol goddamn, leave it to the internet to make me feel like an idiot for enjoying this show. this has got to be the most negative thread on ERA, christ, lol.

Era is only a reflection of how this show is being looked at currently. Ratings continue to fall and reaction has not been kind.

dyst · Dec 11, 2017

The trash people arc is a joke. Is that comic book related or is the leader of the group a love interest of one of the producers/directors?

More_Badass · Dec 11, 2017

dyst said:
ha ha, same here. I really liked this episode and the year for that matter. I think people are forgetting the show always had the same issues.

Maybe. But as someone who loved this show for seasons, I'd never imagine that I'd feel like dropping it. I've been a fan since the pilot and the decline has been so disappointing. Besides episode 3, which I felt was the best of this season, I've only been watching because of time investment and "it has to get better, right?"

Korigama · Dec 11, 2017

dyst said:
The trash people arc is a joke. Is that comic book related or is the leader of the group a love interest of one of the producers/directors?

TV-original. Has nothing to do with the comic.

RatskyWatsky · Dec 11, 2017

dyst said:
The trash people arc is a joke. Is that comic book related

No.

ZiggyPalffyLA · Dec 11, 2017

Tux_ said:
lol goddamn, leave it to the internet to make me feel like an idiot for enjoying this show. this has got to be the most negative thread on ERA, christ, lol.

I mean, it's an objectively terrible show. Not bad enough to be entertaining m and not good enough to be enjoyable. I don't blame anyone for liking it but you can't act like the hate isn't warranted.

dyst · Dec 11, 2017

More_Badass said:
Maybe. But as someone who loved this show for seasons, I'd never imagine that I'd feel like dropping it. I've been a fan since the pilot and the decline has been so disappointing. Besides episode 3, which I felt was the best of this season, I've only been watching because of time investment and "it has to get better, right?"

So my theory on this is that you're getting tired after 8 years of the same issues, which makes total sense.

I don't think the show has become worse, I just think the repetitive nature of it is causing people to tap out.

The same issues that people have with the show now also existed early on. Walkers silently creeping up on people (also happened in season 1 when the camp got over run), long drawn out seasons (also happened in season 2 at the farmhouse), annoying characters with terrible arcs (Andrea seemingly always doing stupid stuff).

Its just the show was fresh so those isuses weren't as glaring compared to 8 years later when fans become very restless.

Believe me, Im in the same boat. The show is annoying but I did a recent rewatch and yep the show always had issues.

Mediking · Dec 11, 2017

I love the show. Love Rick's acting.

But man... every now and then something very dumb happens.

That simple yet effective brief slugfest between Rick and Negan was gold.

But doing that crap to Carl? NO. Mystery in the show is kinda gone.

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

I'm really glad they decided to make up the trash people for the show. I kept thinking, "You know, there aren't enough characters in The Walking Dead."

RatskyWatsky · Dec 11, 2017

ZiggyPalffyLA said:
I mean, it's an objectively terrible show.

Stop.

dyst said:
So my theory on this is that you're getting tired after 8 years of the same issues, which makes total sense.

I don't think the show has become worse, I just think the repetitive nature of it is causing people to tap out.

The same issues that people have with the show now also existed early on. Walkers silently creeping up on people (also happened in season 1 when the camp got over run), long drawn out seasons (also happened in season 2 at the farmhouse), annoying characters with terrible arcs (Andrea seemingly always doing stupid stuff).

Its just the show was fresh so those isuses weren't as glaring compared to 8 years later when fans become very restless.

Believe me, Im in the same boat. The show is annoying but I did a recent rewatch and yep the show always had issues.

Exactly. The show has always had gigantic issues, it's just that they're becoming harder to put up with for longtime watchers.

mernst23 · Dec 11, 2017

I'm starting to get fed up myself. There was always a sense of "why are these people so dumb" but Aaron and Enid going to oceanside, Eugene the super genius, and the garbage pail people plot are seriously shit. If Carl dying is a result of chandler not wanting to do the show, the actor is just as dumb as the character, and while I won't be sad I have to witness Carl scenes, I too was hoping for more of a bad ass transformation from carl, even if it were to be short lived.

Oh well, i'm not giving up because this isn't dexter bad yet, but the tide is defiantly turning for me.

Linus815 · Dec 11, 2017

I love how they spent multiples episodes on the garbage people only for them to run away 2 minutes into the episode. I love how they spent multiple episodes showing Daryl set a terrible plan up only for him to pull out off screen and teleport back to the sanctuary as if nothing happened. I love how they spent multiple episodes on showing the Savior outposts get cleared and saviors in general getting captured, fucked up, blown up and yet they immediately managed to raid 3 camps at the same time while neutralizing all our heroes effortlessly.

I actually enjoyed the episode overall, but it's amazing how poorly thought out it all is.

hlhbk · Dec 11, 2017

I am kinda lost. When in the hell did Carl even have a chance to get bit this episode?

riotous · Dec 11, 2017

hlhbk said:
I am kinda lost. When in the hell did Carl even have a chance to get bit this episode?

They show him sick and covered in sweat when hes first shown. He was bit last episode.

ZeoVGM · Dec 11, 2017

RatskyWatsky said:
Stop.

Exactly. The show has always had gigantic issues, it's just that they're becoming harder to put up with for longtime watchers.

This simply isn't true.

I am not a longtime watcher. I marathoned the series a year and a half ago, right before the season 6 finale. I noticed the decline in quality as I was watching season 6, leading up to that insulting season finale.

It has nothing to do with issues being harder to put up with for longtime watchers. It's that the show is simply at the worst point it has ever been.

Cronen · Dec 11, 2017

I haven't watched any of this season (yet), but I am curious to what Carl's death would mean for the show going forward, specifically with

The Whispers, specifically if they introduce Lydia who becomes his girlfriend

.

Maven · Dec 11, 2017

dyst said:
So my theory on this is that you're getting tired after 8 years of the same issues, which makes total sense.

I don't think the show has become worse, I just think the repetitive nature of it is causing people to tap out.

The same issues that people have with the show now also existed early on. Walkers silently creeping up on people (also happened in season 1 when the camp got over run), long drawn out seasons (also happened in season 2 at the farmhouse), annoying characters with terrible arcs (Andrea seemingly always doing stupid stuff).

Its just the show was fresh so those isuses weren't as glaring compared to 8 years later when fans become very restless.

Believe me, Im in the same boat. The show is annoying but I did a recent rewatch and yep the show always had issues.

Yep, the show is getting boring. I don't really care if I miss an episode these days

fauxtrot · Dec 11, 2017

dyst said:
People do realize this isnt the US and Russia going to war right? It's basically one gang with limited weaponary and unskilled henchman vs another gang with even less weaponary and unskilled henchman.

Go find 50 people, spread yourself out across 3 different towns and fight another group of 50 people also spread out across those 3 towns. Let's see how spectacular this war of yours turns out lol.

I'm willing to bet most of you would be shooting aimlessly or dying by doing something stupid, or more than likely...cowering like most normal people would.

With thay said, I think all of last season and what is this season would have been better if it was just one season.

I mean... this is a tv show about the dead coming back to life. There's a dude who talks like he's doing Shakespeare in the Park and has a loyal pretty tiger. I don't think they're worried about portraying exactly how this would go down in the real world and if they are, they should stop because it's obviously not helping this show get back to being worth watching. If those garbage people ended up the way they did that fast, I don't think it's too much to ask that the folks that have survived by functioning like informal military groups be semi-competent at what has been keeping them alive for years now.

SurrenderDorothy · Dec 11, 2017

About to drop this damn show, tf was that for?
How do the Saviours have so many damn numbers? How did Carl get undone by some slow walkers while fighting with Siddiq?

Wtf Gimple? Kick this wasteman out.. he's definitely going to ruin FTWD.

Fliesen · Dec 11, 2017

My main issue with this season is that there's still people who do that whole "if we kill them we're no better than them" (*cough* Jesus *cough* ... before that Morgan, etc.) when we had the Hunters, the folks at Terminus, the Wolves, the Governor's people... Like, LEARN for god's sakes. The Geneva convention has no place in your post-apocalypse. And i'm not saying "take no prisoners". But if someone tries to fuck with you - take him out.

Seriously, i'm sick of some character's mercy leading to the group's downfall - over and over and over again.
People make the same mistakes over and over again.

And i totally agree with this season being noticeably worse. The set of characters is so condensed to 'fan favorites' now that there's barely any middle-tier left. So they need to save up important character deaths for season finales, meanwhile the bodycount of "nameless people" is steadily going up.
The Walking Dead has become a MOBA - the heroes are overpowered and nearly unkillable, while waves upon waves of 'creeps' are sacrificed in the conflict.

bye · Dec 11, 2017

RatskyWatsky said:
Stop.

Exactly. The show has always had gigantic issues, it's just that they're becoming harder to put up with for longtime watchers.

Those who pretend like that show isn't going downhill are delusional

Season 5 had issues too but it was the last season with consistent quality plots, actual character development, well executed action, and interesting cinematography.

Season 6, 7, and now 8 have been incredibly dull, littered with stupid cliffhangers and fake outs (that mind you, didn't exist prior to S5 really - if Season 4 would happen today they would have the finale show the governor with a sword at Hershel's neck and end the episode), and each season has become more nonsensical and boring than the last.

You can scream and shout "the show is not getting worse! its you!" all you want but the falling ratings say otherwise.

RatskyWatsky · Dec 11, 2017

ZeoVGM said:
This simply isn't true.

It is true. The show had what most would consider filler* half way into the 6 episode first season. Characters making baffling decisions, stealth zombies, off screen bites, the works. Every single season has been littered with those things. It's just that after 8 seasons worth of that, it's starting to become harder for people to put up with (which is what I meant by "longtime watchers").

*even though the vast majority of the show has been that

Techsmith · Dec 11, 2017

Apart from you know what, was the episode worth watching?

Van Bur3n · Dec 11, 2017

Cronen said:
I haven't watched any of this season (yet), but I am curious to what Carl's death would mean for the show going forward, specifically with

The Whispers, specifically if they introduce Lydia who becomes his girlfriend

.

That dude Carl saved will be his replacement. He will be Rick's new adopted son. At first, Rick will not like him because he blames him for the death of his son, but eventually, he will come to accept him as the son he never had that could actually act.

Techsmith · Dec 11, 2017

Van Bur3n said:
That dude Carl saved will be his replacement. He will be Rick's new adopted son. At first, Rick will not like him because he blames him for the death of his son, but eventually, he will come to accept him as the son he never had that could actually act.

Lol.

tabris · Dec 11, 2017

I am a couple episodes behind, but Carl's dead? I'm done the show.

Deleted member 5127 · Dec 11, 2017

Haven't seen the episode yet, but I'm quite surprised they actually did that. Shouldn't have read this thread, would have been a great WTF moment for me. Hopefully this shakes things up.

bye · Dec 11, 2017

Van Bur3n said:
That dude Carl saved will be his replacement. He will be Rick's new adopted son. At first, Rick will not like him because he blames him for the death of his son, but eventually, he will come to accept him as the son he never had that could actually act.

it's really sad that I can totally see this happening

tabris · Dec 11, 2017

Carl is one of the main characters in the comic. And has some of the best scenes. He had some amazing scenes in the show before he started getting used less and less.

If the problem was Chandler Riggs and his schedule / his acting skills - they should have just replaced him.`

RatskyWatsky · Dec 11, 2017

bye said:
Those who pretend like that show isn't going downhill are delusional.

I never said the show wasn't going downhill - but rather that these issues have always been a part of the show's DNA. Go into any previous thread about The Walking Dead, in any season after the first, and you'll see very similar complaints to the ones people have now. "Too much filler", "not enough character development", "why are the characters so stupid?", etc. etc.

bye said:
Season 6, 7, and now 8 have been incredibly dull, littered with stupid cliffhangers and fake outs (that mind you, didn't exist prior to S5 really - if Season 4 would happen today they would have the finale show the governor with a sword at Hershel's neck and end the episode), and each season has become more nonsensical and boring than the last.

Uh uh. Remember how the entirety of season 3 was building toward a giant battle between the prison and Woodbury but then at the last second the Governor was like "nope" and he killed all of his people for some reason and Rick's people fled the prison in school buses but then once they realized the Gov left, returned there and happily lived for a few more months until - 6 episodes into the next season - the Governor returned with a girlfriend and attacked the prison, finishing the story that should have ended the previous season?

Nah me neither.

bye said:
You can scream and shout "the show is not getting worse! its you!" all you want but the falling ratings say otherwise.

No one is screaming or shouting anything. But also falling ratings are not necessarily caused by a decline in quality. Rather, ratings drop the longer a show goes on. This is the case with 99.9% of TV. All but a tiny % of shows are down this year (as was the case the year before that and the year before that, etc). The Walking Dead isn't the only big show dropping - The Big Bang Theory, Scandal, NCIS, Modern Family, and Empire are all hitting series lows. Live ratings are plummeting across the board.

tabris · Dec 11, 2017

Actually in my opinion, I can tie the show's decline for me, with the less and less Carl was used.

SurrenderDorothy · Dec 11, 2017

tabris said:
Carl is one of the main characters in the comic. And has some of the best scenes. He had some amazing scenes in the show before he started getting used less and less.

If the problem was Chandler Riggs and his schedule / his acting skills - they should have just replaced him.`

Chandler was fine, Gimple decided it for story reasons. He's one bloody idiot of a show runner.
I was holding out for Carl's future arcs but this has messed everything up. The show's done as far as I'm concerned.

AgainstTheCurrent · Dec 11, 2017

Chandler Riggs is an awful actor. There's no excusing it.

SurrenderDorothy · Dec 11, 2017

AgainstTheCurrent said:
Chandler Riggs is an awful actor. There's no excusing it.

I'm excusing it. I'd rather him be mediocre and potentially improve with better material than whatever the hell this was.
There's no excusing Gimple's stupid decisions.

Dr Doom · Dec 11, 2017

I think I'm done. The first couple episodes are pointless it led to nothing.
That was the turning point to wrap this arc instead it's back to Season 7.

Wasted my time watching this

Fliesen · Dec 11, 2017

RatskyWatsky said:
I never said the show wasn't going downhill - but rather that these issues have always been a part of the show's DNA. Go into any previous thread about The Walking Dead, in any season after the first, and you'll see very similar complaints to the ones people have now. "Too much filler", "not enough character development", "why are the characters so stupid?", etc. etc.

The issues of the show aren't entirely in the narrative, which would be the only thing you could brush away as 'season 8 fatigue'. - there are many non-narrative issues as well.

Also, sure, the characters make dumb decision in Season 1. The fact that we are becoming more and more annoyed by them making dumb decisions isn't because in early seasons, poor decisionmaking can be explained by lack of experience and not having adapted to the new world order.
Rookie mistakes are acceptable when the characters are still rookies.

Galkinator · Dec 11, 2017

So for someone who watched only the first 2 episodes of this season, how's the mid-season finale? Should I catch up or I'm not missing much?

The Benz · Dec 11, 2017

bye said:
Those who pretend like that show isn't going downhill are delusional

Season 5 had issues too but it was the last season with consistent quality plots, actual character development, well executed action, and interesting cinematography.

Season 6, 7, and now 8 have been incredibly dull, littered with stupid cliffhangers and fake outs (that mind you, didn't exist prior to S5 really - if Season 4 would happen today they would have the finale show the governor with a sword at Hershel's neck and end the episode), and each season has become more nonsensical and boring than the last.

You can scream and shout "the show is not getting worse! its you!" all you want but the falling ratings say otherwise.

I thought the cinematography in this episode was sweet. The last two seasons have definitely been tiring, but I feel that has more to do with the questionable source material. 'All Out War' was a pretty boring volume and Negan has always been an awful character. Some of this show's best moments happened when they did their own thing. I'm hoping this episode means they're heading in a new direction now.

Fliesen · Dec 11, 2017

Galkinator said:
So for someone who watched only the first 2 episodes of this season, how's the mid-season finale? Should I catch up or I'm not missing much?

imho, you can just skip everything in between and watch the mid-season finale. Everything that happens in between:

tl;dw:

Ezekiel's people get gunned down, things didn't exactly pan out for Maggie's / Rick's crew either. Negan's still alive and well, and holding an even bigger grudge. Apart from Aaron's boyfriend and Ezekiel's tiger, nobody of (narrative / emotional) importance dies.

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